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[Psoulocybe]

Sometimes I use the crisper drawer of a fridge in place of a dessicant box.

Never heat though.

[Zozo]

thank you all

No heat at all is Best as heat breaks down the molecular chain of Psyilbin

Any heat over 120 will destory the Psyilbin content and you'll be left with useless mushies as heat does break down psyilbin (spl).

I gave the link to here ->
http://www.erowid.or...chemistry.shtml

they say you need higher temp then 120? ... more like 180c
are you sure 60 or 70c witll destory the Psyilbin ?

peace
zozo

[Joe Balls]

I think the screw up in this thread is between C and F.

180F may be ok and will reduce potency but not kill it... 180C will destryo it all as far as I know.

[Dr_T]

I think the screw up in this thread is between C and F.

180F may be ok and will reduce potency but not kill it... 180C will destryo it all as far as I know.

I know for a fact that you can boil them in alcohol for hours, and not lose much potency if any- bioassay indicated the extract was proportional to the starting material.

[TastyBeverage]

I know for a fact that you can boil them in alcohol for hours, and not lose much potency if any- bioassay indicated the extract was proportional to the starting material.

Do you think that part of the reason for this is that the psilocybin is less exposed to oxidation while submerged in liquid?

[Joe Balls]

I know for a fact that you can boil them in alcohol for hours, and not lose much potency if any- bioassay indicated the extract was proportional to the starting material.

180C is 356F so that is out. Total destruction.

Ethanol boils at 173F so I can believe the testing that shows small losses. Not sure if the ethanol would reduce the heat damage... interesting.

[Dr_T]

Don't know if it's because oxygen is excluded, and I didn't eat any of them fresh to have a baseline, but the extract worked great. An amount equal to 2 grams of starting material had appropriate effects. Less than eating the same fruits fresh? Maybe. But still perfectly satisfactory.

[rags724]

yes no heat

[Zozo]

thank you all,
although I don't know yet how hot is still good and I don't got the answer if the shroom that got a bit bluish are still potent, I understand no heat :)

peace
zozo

[koldj]

Many of you have been wondering.
And a picture is worth more than a thousand words...
I hope that this topic will serve at least a week here ;)

Description:

At the bottom there is drierite and the white piece of cloth is something like a bandage - you can even use a sock. Just make sure your drying jar/ pot can seal properly. Drierite works in such way that it sucks up the water from the air creating dessert inside of the container.

Procedure:

SWIM puts the mushies on shelf in a dark place, they sit there for 2-3 days. Drying with FAE in the beginning is more efficient.
Later he puts the half-dry shrooms into the dryer and lets them sit there until he feels they are ready.
When they're then he puts them into another sealed and empty this time container to store them for longer time.

A few more words:

Drierite is cheap, low toxic (they even put it in our food:rasta:), easy to get. It's a salt. Unfortunately you cannot reuse it or it's really hard to do that, but it's the most efficient dessicant I've known and used. You don't need a dehydrator and even if you use one, drierite will nicely finish up your material.

Drierite can dry mushrooms cracker dry. That way - without any moisture they will last really long without loosing their potency. That's the only right way to prepare them for further processing - brewing tea, making extracts etc.

n-joy:rasta:

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[GadgetGuy]

I'm gonna have to see if I can hunt that stuff down in this little town. Thanks!

[koldj]

I'm sure you can. Some chemical store, drug store, look for chemicals. This stuff is even used to dry houses if there is excess of moisture causing fungi growth :rasta:.

It is Calcium chloride, CaCl2, also known as DampRid and many other names around the world.

http://en.wikipedia....alcium_chloride

[Om shanti]

I'll try that next time. :)

[Moose]

I just use a box covered with some window screen. I know it's a little crude, but hey, it works. Takes 2-3 days. If I want them to dry a bit quicker I just stick that box into my incubator, takes 'em no time to dry. As for potency, they'll still put a psilly grin on your face. I've been thinking about using some type of dessicant in a plastic container, read a lot about it and seems to work well.

Moose

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[eatyualive]

box fan and coca cola racks. they stack easy. and you can set the fruits on them. also have holes so the air penetrates all racks.

just stack them. and place the box fan face down on em.

[Hippie3]

http://archives.myco...html?1107792839

[mushmind]

i have a dehydrator with variable heat. What say you to using it on the lowest setting which is 95 F? i know heat is suppossed to diminish the actives but it dries them in record time even during times of high humidity. I wonder if 95 F is high enough to kill the psilly? I haven't tried them yet.

[Freaky]

I can give personal experience as an answer for this.

The heat does cause a slight loss of potency, but they will still be potent. Do not leave them in the dehydrator for more than 12 hours. I actually do 6-8 hours (depending on how many there are to dry) and then move right to an airtight dessicant chamber to complete the process. This is kept in a cool and dark place.

The heating element can be removed from the dehydrator, making it just a fan. I don't bother with all that. If I've got a small flush from some invitro or cake flushes, I use the dehydrator.

Heat is detrimental to the magic, but I also have a minimum 95 setting and I use it with slight loss of potency. Though they dry in half the time as other method I use for my large flushes. So you're trading off time spent drying vs. minimal potency loss.

[mushmind]

yeah it became impossible to dry anything awhile back with the high humidity here. four days under a fan and still pretty limp. got a dehydrator and ended all that. I haven't used desicant in a while tho. I'll giv4e that a try after 12 hrs of warm air.

[Leftover Salmon]

Brown paper bag from the grocer... Swear by it. May take a tad bit longer. Just walk by from time to time and shake the bad boy a bit. it will dry before you know it. When cultivating, I have a grip of bags all over the casa... Patience is the key. This is also the key to less energy spending... ;)