Chem free and Taste free Pedro/Torch Concentrate
Posted 29 January 2009 - 02:01 AM
Dry and Powdered Pedro/Torch Skins ONLY!!!
1) Pectic Enzymes, available at Homebrew stores
2) Citirc Acid, available at Homebrew stores
3) Distilled Water
4) Large Stainless Stock Pot
5) Wire Strainer
6) Spagetti Strainer
7) Well Worn Pillow Case
8) Pyrex Pie Pan
Cellulose Breakdown and Extraction
The cell wall of the cactus is a problem in all extractions, pectic enzmes are naturally occuring fuit enzymes that destroy cellulose that hold the plant cells together like glue and are very strong. They are not broken down even in the acidic environment of the human stomach. Pectic enzymes are most effective at a PH of 4 and in an warm environment not to exceed 40C.
1) Mix a few table spoons or more of pectic enzyme more if you like (the more the better) into a gallon of warm distilled water.
2) Use Enzyme water to hydrate powdered cactus skins (save jug) and let sit for at least 2 hours in glass bowl. If you like you can place it over pot of simmering water to keep it warm.
3) Transfer to stock pot and simmer for 2 hours, strain using pillow case and spagetti strainer, twist until dry as possible.
4) Repeat steps 1-3 four or five times and disguard the spent cactus and saving the water in your distilled water gal jugs. Add enzyme to the tea as soon as it is cools to 40C. When all the extractions are done throw the enzymatic tea into the fridge and call it a night.
The tar is rolled up into pills and taken over a period of about an hour and a half. No taste, no nausea (just a cleansing vomiting at one point that was very cleansing no sick feelings at any point).
1) At a low simmering boil reduce your tea to a pint or less, it takes about 3-4 hours.
2) Place reduced tea into pie pan and put in oven on 200 with the door cracked.
3) As it starts to thicken add sift a few table spoons of flour over it and stir.
4) Mix some corn starch with COLD water and stir it into the heavily reduced tea.
5) Over the next 2 hours stir it occasionally and keep an eye on it until it takes the consistancy of warm taffy. Remove from oven.
6) When cool but still warm scrape up the hash like tar, roll into balls and eat over a period of about 2 hours.
This stuff is perishable but will probably last several days in the fridge. 150g of torch skins sent one to the moon and around, want to do A/B but this is WAYYYY cheaper and less dangerous. If found myself speaking in languages that I do not know, and in Spanish which I do not know well but apparently it's in there somewere. In anycase, I'm sure I've greatly overcomplicated the process and turned everyone off the the idea, but it's great and cheap and pure.
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Posted 30 January 2009 - 03:15 PM
:horse: Considering how unpleasant cactus juice is and how expensive and time consuming A/B extractions are (especially for preparing 1 or 2 doses), I would have thought people would be a little more psyched about a pain/taste/nausea/chemical free method of preping it. Plus you get the full alkaloid experience you would with tea. I ate a huge breakfast 2 hours before eating the mesc tar and had a wonderful experience, fully transcendental, no nausea.:horse:
It's great, that much I can assure you. :headbang:
OH, I forgot, acidify the enzyme water with some citric acid (Ideal PH for enzymes to operate is 4)
And I also forgot to list a few Tbsp. Cornstarch and Flour as part of the Grear you will need.
Posted 30 January 2009 - 03:19 PM
Posted 30 January 2009 - 03:36 PM
Posted 30 January 2009 - 03:44 PM
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Posted 30 January 2009 - 04:50 PM
Posted 31 January 2009 - 03:32 AM
I could not find anything about using them for cactus extracts so I did an experiment. The PE makes the liquid extraction much less snotty and pleasant to work with. The well reduced product was not at all snotty or slimy.
They use PE for extracting fruit juice from pulpy fuit, so I figured they would help one break the tough cell walls of the cactus skin. Cellulose is not broken down by the human digestive system, and stands up well to other punishments, so PE seemed just the thing for it.
Might as well get the most from those pricey skins!
Posted 31 January 2009 - 04:05 AM
Slimy, snot tar was the end product. It was mixed with flour and consumed in gel capsules.
How much material was left to be consumed after this process?
Posted 31 January 2009 - 11:25 AM
are these enzymes safe to eat or deactivated afterwards in the quantities used for this extraction? are they active only on cellulose and not on human mucus membranes such as our stomachs and intestines?
Posted 31 January 2009 - 11:41 AM
Posted 31 January 2009 - 05:06 PM
Posted 31 January 2009 - 07:56 PM
Posted 01 February 2009 - 12:43 AM
So, hydrate it and soak it for and few hours (use acidified warm distiled water).
Boil it, drain, save water and allow both cactus and water to cool, add enzyme to liquid and repeat with the cacuts 4-5 times. Combine liquid, disgcard cactus and reduce before adding constarch to cold water and adding that to make hash like tar. 150g makes a nice log about the size of a 9g bud. Roll it up into balls and eat it, there is no taste but it took about 2 hours to comfrotably eat it all with a couple of glasses of water.
Posted 01 February 2009 - 01:46 AM
the only thing is .. 150 grams ? isnt that alot.
from what information I could come up with for the green flesh powder is it would most likely have around a 1 percent mescaline to weight ratio so by my guess and i do say guess was that 90 grams of powder would be around 900 mg of mescaline , a hair below the safe dose.
which yea really sent me to the moon.
were your skins fresh ?
Posted 01 February 2009 - 03:06 AM
I am unaware that there is any information to suggest that it is unsafe to consume levels of mescaline over a gram. If you can handle good strong LSD you should be fine, mescaline is comparitavley gentle IMO.
There was about an 8th of the tar I did not eat of the 150g I prepped. I prefer tripping alone as it lets me get way out there without anything to break it, and definately got way out there this time.
Complete transcendental experience.
I would consider it one of the best of many hundred psychadelic experiences. Mescaline is KING of the Psycadelics in my book hands down.
Gentle and All Consuming yet not Overwhelming.:bow:
Posted 01 February 2009 - 11:35 PM
Posted 02 February 2009 - 12:22 AM
And why do you say some alkaloid is destroyed? If one were to do something destructive it would likely destroy the entire batch not .2 of 1%. If any is lost it's in the discarded cactus chunder and negligable.
Maybe I'm wrong though.
And I did not trip nicely I cheesed my fucking balls off. It was great though.
Posted 03 February 2009 - 01:58 AM
Posted 03 February 2009 - 11:26 PM
The reason I ask is because I read a report that lab rats died so it might be best not to go over one gram but on the other hand I have never heard of anyone overdosing on mescaline.
and i could only estimate the actual percentage as I extracted tar and not a pure product.
Its just a worry in the back of my mind. I dont want to be like the lab rat that didnt make it :p
Posted 04 February 2009 - 01:01 AM
And why do you say some alkaloid is destroyed?
Where did i say any alkaloids were destroyed? I just said there will be a loss of potency because most extractions do not extract the full amount of mescaline.