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#21 datsun

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 09:15 AM

has anyone tried jimbojones's tek here? looks really interesting.

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 11:12 AM

Very interesting, the first use of pectic enzymes that I've seen for this purpose.
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#23 EmmisonJ

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 11:39 AM

I had never heard of the pectic enzymes so thankyou for posting this. Seems I got something new to look into.


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yes that was some incredible research on your part JJ, really novel approach. swim's days of teas, tar, etc are over but perhaps those pectic enzymes could be used as a defat prior to an a/b as opposed to using heaps of NaOH.

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 01:26 PM

Why should this be used on dried skins only? If this is done to the whole cacti cutting does it just make a mess or something thats too thick to work with? too hard to strain? If so, does anyone think a modified tea extraction procedure would work and before reducing adding pectic acid to reduce slime, and from there merge over to the ending of this tek (or something similar) to make a tar instead of the goop which you end with if you reduce the regular tea tek too far? Any input would be great.
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Follow Tea Tek... After you filter the cactus from final extraction phase, and before you reduce, Acidify (if need be) and add a few table spoons of Pectic Enzymes. Let sit at warm temperature for 2ish hrs. Then procede to reduce down (which would kill of the P enzymes) and follow the ending of this tek which should result in a similar tar/concentrate.

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 02:04 PM

Need more info on the role of pectin in traditional and well researched usage..
Interesting idea Jimbo and worthy of consideration imo..

#26 jimbojones

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Posted 24 March 2009 - 01:48 AM

Pectic Enzyme is very cheap, around $5 for more than enough, so don't skimp. I added the enzyme to some acidic water and hydrated the ground cactus, let it sit for a few hours keeping it lightly warm for the best effect (enzymes are destroyed at 40c but work best in warm slightly acidic conditions). Then make tea and strain, when the liquid is cool enough add a few tablespoons of enzyme to it and rehydrate your chunder with some more acidic enzyme water. Wait an hour or two and repeat the tea making process. I only boiled the tea for about 45 minutes each time for a total of 4 times with new acidic enzyme water each time, then reduced the liquid. It did not turn snotty at all accept for a skin that formed on the top as I boiled it down. It did not thicken much until the addition of Corn Starch and a bit of flour during the final stages of reduction, which took place in a pie dish in the oven.

There is no research on using pectic enzymes to get alkaloids out of plants, the closest I could get was extracting fruit juice out of pulpy fruits but the principal is the same. Next time I do it I will take some pics and make notes as I go so that I can post the tek more coherently and easy to follow.

I would likely go A/B extract if I was doing a Lb. of cactus or more, but for the regular person looking to experience mescaline cheaper (it is still somewhat time consuming) this is the way to go.
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#27 PINKBUFFLVR

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Posted 07 July 2009 - 10:26 PM

wow nice.....BUMP

#28 whatchamacallit

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 11:50 AM

SWIM gets 1% from the dried chips he purchases, but he definitely likes upwards of a gram for a dose, and it's definitely beyond safe. Only death he's ever heard of from ingesting mescaline, was one 9 gram IV dose, so he thinks you got plenty of leeway between a gram eaten and 9 grams IV. SWIM has posted his tek somewhere on the site, if you wanna do a search. He got about 10-11 grams of mescaline from one kilo, all white and cleaned with acetone, even.

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Posted 24 August 2009 - 11:54 PM

Cool... dont mind sucking down some nasty cactus juice or concentrait(its all part of the experience) but i am going to try it ASAP I will give report

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 09:01 PM

This seems like a lot of work for impure product. Instead of a gram of 'tar', this criminally insane walrus I met at the zoo claims to enjoy 200-300mg of pure crystals. Thing is, he doesn't like to use harsh chemicals or solvents.

Luckily, there's a food-safe non-toxic method available. http://wiki.dmt-nexu...line_Extraction

He says he tried it in South America, and definitely didn't advocate breaking any American laws.

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 11:34 PM

Well that was a convincing link. Why the hell would any one use solvents and HCL?:eusa_thin Thats what I want to know.

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 01:47 AM

Anyone ever use the d-limonene tek?

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 02:40 AM

Anyone ever use the d-limonene tek?

That wiki page refers to http://www.dmt-nexus...?g=posts&t=4002

Appears to be a relatively new thing, so maybe it will catch on here.

edit: I don't mean to hijack Jimbo's thread. If it would be better to make a separate limonene thread then I'll do so, or someone else can feel free since I don't know anything about it except what the walrus read to me.

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 03:32 AM

Well that was a convincing link. Why the hell would any one use solvents and HCL?:eusa_thin Thats what I want to know.

To get pure crystals, good for dosing, and least nausea of any method SWIM has tried..

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 10:55 AM

To get pure crystals, good for dosing, and least nausea of any method SWIM has tried..

The walrus told me that since HCL is a stronger acid, the acetate crystals can be dissolved in HCL and will recrystallize into HCL crystals which can be washed with acetone. Although he said it wasn't really necessary.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 02:51 AM

This seems like a lot of work for impure product. Instead of a gram of 'tar', this criminally insane walrus I met at the zoo claims to enjoy 200-300mg of pure crystals. Thing is, he doesn't like to use harsh chemicals or solvents.

Luckily, there's a food-safe non-toxic method available. http://wiki.dmt-nexu...line_Extraction

He says he tried it in South America, and definitely didn't advocate breaking any American laws.


It may be an impure product in that it is not pure mescaline but the cactus contains all kinds of nice alkaloids a washing them out with lye and solvent is not exactly staying true to the shamanistic nature of the mescaline trip.

#37 jimbojones

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 02:55 AM

To get pure crystals, good for dosing, and least nausea of any method SWIM has tried..



The HCL is gaseous at room temp and I would think better for salting unless you can titrate correctly and use sulphuric. This other limolium method seems to use the same chemisty with cheap substitutes for strong acids. Your already dumping sodum hydroxide in it, what's the big deal with HCL to salt? Is Limolium (which I mix with acetone and used to strip mororcyle parts) somehow supposed to be safer than HCL used properly?

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:05 AM

It may be an impure product in that it is not pure mescaline but the cactus contains all kinds of nice alkaloids a washing them out with lye and solvent is not exactly staying true to the shamanistic nature of the mescaline trip.

SWIM has never had a very powerful experience with tea or cacti, due to the fact he can't get enough down and keep it down long enough to experience a full experience. By extracting, he can dose high enough without puking.. He is still gonna give Irishlion's tea tek a try with some bridgesii, but all the pedro and torch he's tried to get down, just won't get in and stay in long enough..

#39 Fly on the Wall

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 09:50 AM

The HCL is gaseous at room temp and I would think better for salting unless you can titrate correctly and use sulphuric. This other limolium method seems to use the same chemisty with cheap substitutes for strong acids. Your already dumping sodum hydroxide in it, what's the big deal with HCL to salt? Is Limolium (which I mix with acetone and used to strip mororcyle parts) somehow supposed to be safer than HCL used properly?

It's d-limonene, not linoleum. This is basically distilled orange oil. That's the non-polar solvent, food lime is used instead of lye, and vinegar is the acidic polar solvent, which means the entire extraction can be done with food-safe chemicals instead of lye and xylene.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 11:22 AM

I wish i would read this sooner cause i threw awaw quite a few skins the other day. This extraction sounds good and I will use it on my next skins. Thank you for the expeirmentation.




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