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#41 TVCasualty

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 07:43 AM

There are several solutions I am considering:
1) cutting the cakes in half. I'm not sure whether to bisect them laterally or horizontally. A half-cylinder lying flat like a little grow log seems neat, but a half-cake in a trimmed cup might be better on space.
2) mixing vermiculite and watercrystals to create a more stable surface.
3) sterilizing some toothpicks and using them to prop up the cakes. I like this idea the least.
Thoughts?


1) No need to cut 'em up. Too risky and damages the cake, requiring spending energy to recover from. Crumbling them to spawn to grain or bulk is a different story, however. Try to tear mycelium instead of cut it whenever you can (cutting breaks cell walls, tearing keeps cells intact).

2) That won't provide as much of an increase in stability as you would probably prefer and is messy as hell.

3) Stay away from toothpicks or any wood. They don't stay sterile long.


Something tall and skinny like the jars you're using get a lot more stable if you lay them on their side. Place them right next to each other and you can add the gel to the space formed between them (if two cakes on their side look like OO as seen edge-on, put some gel where the quotation mark is: O"O plus fill the lower space with gel/verm mix as a second reservoir). Don't use too much gel on top since they don't like fruiting right through the gel itself.

Poking into a cake w/ a dowel or something and filling the space w/ saturated gel also works (a variation on a rez-effect technique except without crumbling the cake- lots of good threads in the rez-effect vaults). The poking is best done at the beginning when you're making up the jars otherwise you risk busting them in half, which is not a big deal but can be annoying.

My thinking right now is that top-dressing with the gel is less effective than mixing it into the substrate in terms of benefit; gel set on top of cakes has sat there shrinking very slowly while gel I mixed into a casing layer vanished fairly quickly, indicating the water had been wicked out if it. This stuff is only effective if we can get the water back out of it, and the more surface area of substrate or casing layer it contacts, the better.

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 09:50 PM

Yeah, I'm thinking that if I'm going to lay the cakes horizontally then I might as well go the whole casing route. However, being new at the procedure, I think I'll just cut down some twelve oz plastic cups and squdge the cakes into the crystals somewhat - just enough to stabilize, but hopefully not more than half an inch will be situated down into the crystals. But I'll experiment and see what works when I get there. Still haven't got full colonization, but it's only been ten days and most of the jars are well on their way. So on with the prescribed tek for now....

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 10:01 PM

You know what,I think you will be fine if you just fill a lid overflowing with the water crystals and just plop that cake in there,case the top of the cake off with as much as you can get to stay one there.I like the Bernardin plastic canning lids for birthing my cakes on,and use them for many other things as well.I am sure Ball has the plastic lids as well???.in fact,I have never sat a cake on a metal lid,Never.

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Posted 17 March 2009 - 01:53 PM

Yeah, I'm thinking that if I'm going to lay the cakes horizontally then I might as well go the whole casing route. However, being new at the procedure, I think I'll just cut down some twelve oz plastic cups and squdge the cakes into the crystals somewhat - just enough to stabilize, but hopefully not more than half an inch will be situated down into the crystals. But I'll experiment and see what works when I get there. Still haven't got full colonization, but it's only been ten days and most of the jars are well on their way. So on with the prescribed tek for now....



Any time I try something new, I only try it on a few jars, one tray, one tub, etc. That way if it doesn't work I didn't waste all my effort. That's not to say your grow is going to fail, but for inexperienced growers the chance of failure is proportional to the amount they deviate from whatever tek they're following.

For a by-the-book PF Tek grow, dunking is really all you need.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 10:38 AM

Polyacralamide crystals can cause mutations in some strains.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 10:50 AM

Do you have any proof to back that claim up jethro,any tests you have run personally,any photos you have taken,anything more than just your word on this?I have not seen any mutations what so ever when I used them.So if you have anything to support this,I would love to see it.

Edited by Dr.Hallucination., 22 April 2010 - 10:56 AM.


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Posted 22 April 2010 - 10:55 AM

Here is the MSDS on water Crystals.

Potassium (K) http://www.watercrys...MSDS_PWC_2 .pdf

Sodium (Na) http://www.watercrys...com/WC_MSDS.pdf


Also don't forget,there are two type of crystals,be sure you are using the correct ones....




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