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The muscaria chemotaxonomic group of Amanitas


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#21 Leftover Salmon

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 01:30 AM

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#22 BuckarooBanzai

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 01:55 AM

Salmon - THANK YOU for bumping this thread.

Very nice collection of information warriorsoul and an excellent writeup.

Really very nice, dude.

Jyou echoe my own feelings very, very, very closely...

I take .5mg-1.5mg of Amanita amerimuscaria virtually every day. I have for over 10 years. They are like morning coffee to me. Just part of my supplement regimen.

I also take them in larger doses and very frequently mix them with all size and shape of other substances. Smallish/medium doses synergize beautifully with booze and group scenes. They make for a nice relaxation of the tongue and the sensabilities without makin' ya too stupid!

My wife finds Amis to be very effective and synergistic with opiates for treating pain (she has chronic pain issues).

I am a huge cheerleader for them. I think most people on Prozac would get better results from Amis.

I'm going to link this thread in the Banzai Institute, right under my "Amanita Muscara: One seeker’s observations" thread, unless you mind.

A post of mine that might interest you:
http://mycotopia.net...504-post59.html
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Posted 15 September 2009 - 09:32 AM

So what is the name for var formosa?

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 11:55 AM

That was a fascinating read WS. Thanks muchly.

I have never found any around here, but I do have plenty of pine, birch & cedar. Are they in the deep forest or the outskirts? Any tips for finding them?

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 03:18 PM

You can find them deep in a forest or in your yard under a pine or other host tree.

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Posted 19 September 2009 - 11:43 PM

Indeed Buck! There is much to be learned from and about Amanitas! Your write ups about such in the Vaults are amazing BTW... :eusa_clap

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 12:26 AM

Warrior -

Just wanted to say thanks for this thread. Great write up, I think I missed it somehow. I'll definitely be looking into these techniques, especially as my 'seasonal affect disorder' lasts 12 months of the year.

Tried to rep you but apparently I'm supposed to whore it around some more first (maybe this is what I most recently reped you for - I dunno, I drink too much).

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 08:29 AM

That was a fascinating read WS. Thanks muchly.

I have never found any around here, but I do have plenty of pine, birch & cedar. Are they in the deep forest or the outskirts? Any tips for finding them?


I find them at the times they fruit in southeastern ON .. mid Aug., pause, then Sept.
Look also for heavy deer activity and dense deer trail areas.
Those areas showing recent heavy deer activity when fruiting season is on.
My forests are predominantly cedar but mixed with fir, spruce, pine, birch, tamarack.
I'll spend more time looking in the birch forests this year.
Also look in the lower and mid areas of rain washes.
Don't forget to look up in the trees where chipmunks set them to dry, you will be close to a patch then imo.

Come fruiting season I competed with the deer, chipmunks and flies/larva.
Last year, my first year truly collecting them I had to cover them with buckets and a rock to let them mature otherwise they were gobbled each and every budding one.

For better chances and larger yields I have inoculated more similar areas of forest. This year I'll be using this:
http://mycotopia.net...g-stick-ii.html

They will return to the almost exact location year after year.

Good luck,

erk

Edited by Erkee, 04 April 2010 - 01:57 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 12:32 PM

There are a few common misconceptions floating around regarding these mushrooms, one is that you need to heat them in order to convert the actives, this is false, ibotenic acid is decarboxylated into the 10x more active muscimol naturally as part of the drying process. Heating simply speeds the drying time.

Ibotenic acid and muscimol are highly water soluble, a good rain shower may cause the mushroom to lose some of its actives. This could inpart account for the varying reports on potency.

Drinking carbonated beverages may not be a good idea as the muscimol could be recarboxylated into ibotenic acid rendering the mushrooms less potent.

Regarding the urine drinking, when ibotenic acid is ingested virtually no conversion to muscimol takes place in the body, what your getting from re-ingesting is the unmetabolized muscimol that passes though.

There are a lot of exciting studies going on right now regarding muscimol, it will be great to see its massive potential unveiled after being shrouded in the clouds of mycophobia for so many years.

Edited by warriorsoul, 04 April 2010 - 12:37 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 07:52 PM

There are a lot of exciting studies going on right now regarding muscimol, it will be great to see its massive potential unveiled after being shrouded in the clouds of mycophobia for so many years.



I so hope you're right.

I fear, however, that as soon as they cease to be under the radar, they'll be illegalized as well.

Can they be grown?

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 09:21 PM

:thumbup:

How did I miss this before? Awesome thread WS, archive material for sure...

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 11:14 PM

I fear, however, that as soon as they cease to be under the radar, they'll be illegalized as well.


Not much chance of that... I've lived on both coasts and in the Middies, and
they're everywhere I've been, except for deep South coastal regions (they
may have been there too, but I didn't see them).

Way to common to be made illegal.

I really need to get my balls out of my pocket and start experimenting with
low doses of these things the next time they sprout around the pond :)

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 01:12 PM

Totally blowing mind post!

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Posted 17 April 2010 - 01:38 PM

Tsujikawa K, Mohri H, Kuwayama K, Miyaguchi H, Iwata Y, Gohda A,

Analysis of hallucinogenic constituents in Amanita mushrooms circulated in Japan.

The constituents of seven mushrooms sold as Amanita muscaria or Amanita pantherina (five A. muscaria and two A. pantherina) and four "extracts purported to contain A. muscaria" products that are currently circulated in Japan were determined. All mushroom samples were identified as A. muscaria or A. pantherina by macroscopic and microscopic observation. The dissociative constituents, ibotenic acid (IBO) and muscimol (MUS), were extracted with 70% methanol twice and determined by gas chromatography/mass spectrometry. The IBO (as the hydrate)/MUS contents were in the range of <10-2845ppm/46-1052ppm in the cap of A. muscaria and 188-269ppm/1554-1880ppm in the cap of A. pantherina. In the caps, these compounds had a tendency to be more concentrated in
the flesh than in the cuticle. On the other hand, the IBO/MUS contents in the stem were far lower than in the caps. In the "extracts purported to contain A. muscaria" products, IBO/MUS were detected below the lower limit of calibration curve (<10ppm/<25ppm) or not detected. However, these samples contained other psychoactive compounds, such as psychoactive tryptamines (5-methoxy-N,N-diisopropyltryptamine and 5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine), reversible monoamine oxidase inhibitors (harmine and harmaline) and tropane alkaloids (atropine and scopolamine), which were not quantified. This is the first report of the chemical analysis of Amanita mushrooms that are circulated in the drug market.


Points I noted:

- .. tendency to be more concentrated in the flesh..
- .. other psychoactive compounds..
..

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 12:38 PM

Interesting paper Erkee, what it seems to be showing is that the Amanita extracts on the market aren't the real thing. :mistrust:

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 01:59 PM

wow amazing thread. so much information. so glad this community exists! thank you!:bow:

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Posted 17 May 2011 - 05:24 PM

Just got done reading a recent scholarly article in which Mycotopia is cited as a reference "Revisiting Wasson's Soma: Exploring the Effects of Preparation on the Chemistry of Amanita Muscaria"
Feeney, Kevin
Journal of Psychoactive Drugs; Dec 2010; 42, 4

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 08:19 PM

A Study of Cultural Bias in Field Guide Determinations of Mushroom Edibility Using the Iconic Mushroom, Amanita muscaria, as an Example. http://www.davidaror...ria_revised.pdf

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