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Posted 25 November 2005 - 10:27 AM

You might find this interesting.
*** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor ***

*** The Gummiberry © juice experiment ***
*** Gummihuasca © : psilocybin potentiation with a MAO-A Inhibitor + psilocin accelerator = 10X Potency ***

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Try this ONLY if it *IS* LEGAL for you to try this. I don't take any responsabilities for this. This MIGHT have unexpected effects. PLEASE be VERY careful about this. If you have got ANY mental/health issues, please do NOT get involved in such a test. If you are on medication please DO NOT try this! This is a serious warning. Under NO circumstances mix MAOIs (Black Currant juice) with any other drugs, specially MDMA [Extacy, pills], MDE, MDA, Cocaine, Crack. Please, be responsible, this HASN'T been properly tested yet to conclude it is totally safe. If you test it, be conscious and totally aware that you ARE taking a risk.
Please, make sure you read this whole post before attempting anything or deciding to take part on this test.
Those considering self-induced exploration should be aware of its complications and make an informed decision. The restrictions here delineated are not meant to be all-encompassing but, rather, are meant to provide general guidelines. Further questions should be directed to your physician.
Keep in mind that I'm *NO EXPERT* whatsoever. Only a curious guy interested in exploring the amazing realms of Consciousness. Like you.
Credit for initial discovery of lemon/lime juice as an enhancer of the strength that lead me to research further possibilities goes to Underhillmaster. He is experienced for more than 20 years and 100 trips and did trials on 20 acquaintances for 6 months and the responses were uniform. :thumbup: :thumbup:
DANGEROUS COMBINATIONS!!
READ THIS!! VERY IMPORTANT. IGNORING THIS WHOLE FIRST POST COULD LEAD TO SERIOUS MEDICAL PROBLEMS (like death...)

** FIRST REPORT by incubaby_421 - Confirms 10X expectations **
incubaby_421 has been the first person to test this.
He is an experienced tripper, 250-300 trips.
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yes, it did work that AMAZINGLY WELL...
when i posted wow and the weird bird thing, i proceeded to melt into my computer monitor, wall paper flowers were growing, carpet was turnign into worms, im talking about fear and loathing shit, NEVER in my history of being bemushroomed have i hallucinated like that, NEVER
anyways
Black Currant Juice brand: CurrantC
Juice Quantity: 16 oz.
Mushrooms species: Psilocybe Cubensis
Mushrooms Quantity: 4 gr. dry
Did you know the potency of the mushrooms beforehand? (Y/N): Yes, ate from the same crop thrice before.
Hours since last meal: 7 h.
Description of effects compared vs. no juice:umm... these are relativly potent shrooms, but, god damn, that was more like 6 hits of acid than an eighth of shrooms
Description of effects compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: i have never done shrooms with only lemon or lime, but i did this time, plus the juice, id say that 10x would be a pretty accurate multiplication of the effects... at one point in time i went across the dark house to get some rainbow sherbert, the darkness was just one big ass hyallucination... amazing...
Are you positively sure that there IS definitely an improvement in potency? (Y/N): yes
Estimated potency compared vs. no juice: 4X-5X
Estimated potency compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: 1.5X-2X
Time to "first alert" (aka, "whoa, something's definitely going to happen"): 45 mins.
Time to onset of visual disturbance: 60 mins.
Time to peak (rough estimate): 4! hours
Time to first sign of diminishing effects: 4 1/4 hours
Time to baseline (indiscernable effects): 7 hours
i just want to say this is by far the hardest i have ever tripped off of anyhting, newbies BE CAREFULL, i have been there, ive ate ounces that didnt do that much before, this could definitly take someone to a very bad place
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dingleberrysalad's report on Lemon/lime Juice:
I agree 100%! I tried this method out for the second time on friday and it kicked my ass again! It was totaly amazing! I will problably never eat a full eight of shrooms again in my life because there is no need for it! If there is anyone out there who hasn't tried this yet, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR!
I took one lemon and one lime and juiced them and mixed well with only 1.7 grams of dried shroom powder and let it sit for 5 minutes and then drank it. I normaly take 3.5 grams of shrooms, but with only 1.7 grams and 1lemon and lime I had the most vivid visuals I have ever seen!!! I was laying on my trampoline after smokein a bowl topped with kief and staring at the stars. The whole sky was covered with a hallucination of red, yellow, and orange all swirling and twisting together and the stars were twinkling through. I have never seen an open eye visual that amazing and vivid and real! And from only 1.7 grams! It blew my mind.
This really works people so be carefull. You could end up tripping hard than you even imagined possible!
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GUMMIHUASCA © recipe with Gummiberry © Juice without vomiting nor nausea in 7 easy and gummimagic STEPS:
STEP 1 - Brain, 1. Common sense, 1. Read the whole post, >=2.
Get 1 liter bottle of Ribena Really Light Blackcurrant Squash.
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Apparently this brand is only sold in 22 countries, including: Caribbean, UK, Eire, Denmark, Greece, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, Oman, Yemen, Sri Lanka, Singapore, Malaysia, Australia, New Zealand, Kenya, Nigeria, Mauritius, China, Hong Kong, Japan.
ANY Black Currant Juice brand should work. The difference is the concentration of pure juice. If you cannot find the following ones in your country, check the labels and look for the most concentrated one.
Member incubaby_421 is the first person to have tested it, and he has found this brand, CurrantC concentrate, to be successful, available in the USA, sold at Tops:
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Store locator:
http://www.currantc....w=RetailLocater
incubaby_421: "couldnt find suggested brands, so i bought the only one i found, after traveling to three different cities in search of, its called CurrantC, its a 16oz. bottle and is 37% juice, pretty fucking tasty, i might add..."
STEP 2 - Empty stomach, at least 8 hours before intake, 12 h. better, ideally 24h. It *IS* very important to have an empty stomach, AT LEAST 8 hours before intake, as some food combinations might be dangerous with MAOIs and, in rare cases, even might be fatal. Please read on the whole post.
STEP 3 - Drink the 750ml. of Black Currant 37% concentrated juice. (= 3/4 of a liter = 24 oz.). It is preferable to not have drank water within 1:30 hour prior to dosing as water affects the pH.
STEP 4 - Wait for 1 hour.
STEP 5 - If you want to test this with lemon/lime juice too, squeeze 2 lemons and 1 lime and you can leave the mushrooms soaking in the lemon/lime juice for the last 15 minutes of that 1 hour waiting.
If you haven't got lemon/lime handy, you can do the same but soaking in Black Currant juice, as it is highly acidic as lemon.
Since heat speeds up chemical reactions, it's easy to assume lack of heat would slow them down. So do NOT refridgerate your juice or fresh fruit if you're going to try this method. Or at least take them out of the fridge a few hours in advance so they have time to reach room temperature.
STEP 6 - Eat the mushrooms (or drink the lemon/lime or Black Currant juice mixed with the mushrooms).
After 1-1:30 hours a light snack and fluids can be taken to dilute the acidic stomach contents, for instance a glass of milk or a sandwich with a glass of water.
STEP 7 - Relax. Breathe. Turn off. Tune in. Drop out. Enjoy. Write report.
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Please report like this, for instance:
- Days since last trip on psychedelics: 8 weeks ago, 1 hit LSD. 6 weeks ago, 4 gr. dry Psilocybe Cubensis
- Black Currant Juice brand: Really Light Blackcurrant Squash
- Juice Quantity: 750 gr. = 24 oz.(cc. if we assume 1 gr roughly = 1 cc.)
- Mushrooms species: Psylocybe Cubensis
- Mushrooms Quantity: 3 gr. dry
- Did you know the potency of the mushrooms beforehand? (Y/N): Yes, ate from the same crop twice before.
- Hours since last meal: 12 h.
- Description of effects compared vs. no juice:
- Description of effects compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice:
- Are you positively sure that there IS definitely an improvement in potency? (Y/N):
- Estimated potency compared vs. no juice: 4X-5X
- Estimated potency compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: 1.5X-2X
- Time to "first alert" (aka, "whoa, something's definitely going to happen"): 20 mins.
- Time to onset of visual disturbance: 45 mins.
- Time to peak (rough estimate): 2 hours
- Time to first sign of diminishing effects: 5 hours
- Time to baseline (indiscernable effects): 7 hours
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EXPLANATION
Background Data
Black Currants are the king of berries with more than twice the antioxidants of blueberries, 4 times the Vitamin C of oranges, more potassium than bananas, and a cache of iron, calcium, magnesium and manganese...
- Psilocybin - pH 5.2
- Psilocybin breaks down in the body to form Psilocin (the good stuff).
- Psilocin is unstable in solutions, ESPECIALLY alkaline (Base)ones.
- Psilocin is obtained by dephosphorylation (bonding of Phosphate) of psilocybin under strongly acidic or alkaline conditions.
- Acidic foods are retained in the stomach for a longer period than non-acidic foods
- In a solution when the pH is changed to acidic, the alkaloids will dissolve in water in a salt form.
WHY IT WORKS
1 - The work hypothesis is that fruit juices would break down psilocybin into psilocin when the mushrooms are soaked in the juice for some time before eating them:
Water - pH 7.00
Orange juice - pH 3.30-4.19
Prune juice - pH 3.95-3.97
Plum Nectar - pH 3.45
Apple juice - pH 3.35-4.00
Kiwi juice - pH 3.30-3.80
Pineapple juice - pH 3.30-3.60
Grapefruit juice - pH 2.90-3.25
Pomegranate - pH 2.93-3.20
Vinegar - pH 2.40-3.40
Black Currant juice - pH ~2.7 - with Pectinex BE-3L Enzyme: 2.45
Cranberry juice - pH 2.30-2.52
Lemon juice - pH 2.00-2.60
Lime juice - pH 2.00-2.35
FLUIDS - ACID STANDARDS
Ascorbic acid 5% pH 2.0 (MERCK)
0.1N Citric acid 2% pH 2.2 (MERCK)
0.1N Tartaric acid 1.5% pH 2.2 (MERCK)
0.1N Ascorbic acid 1.75% pH 2.3 (MERCK)
0.1N Acetic acid 0.6% pH 2.9 (MERCK)
pH of Foods: http://www.cfsan.fda...m/lacf-phs.html
pH of BC: www.vtt.fi/virtual/maxfun/buchert_et_al.pdf
Vitamin C (L-enantiomer of ascorbic acid) per 100 gr.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C
Billygoat plum 3150
Camu Camu 2800
Tibetan Goji berry 2500
Rosehip 2000
Blackcurrant 200
Guava 100
Kiwifruit 90
Loganberry 80
Redcurrant 80
Papaya 60
Strawberry 50
Orange 50
Raspberry 30
Lemon 40
Lime 20
Raspberry 20
Pineapple 10
Grape 10
Apple 6
Bilberry 1
Manninee:
There are several different ways that ascorbic acid/vit c and the chemicals in fruit juices might enhance the passage and/or activation of psilocybin:
(i) The Vitamin C transporter molecules in gut cells: People know that ascorbic acid is transported 'actively' in the gut (ie - by cellular machinery... specialised proteins) but as I understand, nobody has yet identified these molecules in gut, although they have been found elsewhere in the body. Many transporter molecules absorb more than one molecule simultaneously, and some chemicals enhance the absorbtion of others. Maybe Psilocybin and Vitamin C are co-transported, with the ascorbic acid facilitating the uptake of psilocybin?
(ii) The ascorbic acid functionally interferes with the detoxifying enzymes - Monoamine Oxidases and the family known as cytochrome P450. Citrus flavonoids enhance the absorbtion of vitamin C as well as blocking some aspects of the P450 enzymes (many health food chains sell Vit C/Flavonoid combination pills). These enzymes are in gut cells, the liver and elsewhere.
(iii) The other mechanism for prolongation could be the anti-oxidative properties of vitamin c interfering with the dephosphorylation of psilocybin to psilocin somehow - possibly making it a more gradual process.
Which would yield higher contents of psilocin ready to be ingested.
2 - ...and a MAGIC hidden secret gummicompound: Quercetin and Quercitrin, responsible for the MAO-A inhibition, present also in ST. JOHN’S WORT, the popular Hypericum and GINKGO BILOBA. This might lead to further experiments with Mushrooms + St. John's Wort tea, Ginkgo Biloba, ascorbic acid and other juices. Stay tuned.
Consumption of black currants, lingonberries and bilberries increases serum quercetin concentrations
European Journal of Clinical Nutrition (2003) 57, 37-42. doi:10.1038/sj.ejcn.1601513
http://www.nature.co...s/1601513a.html
Chemtech June 93 page 63: 50 grams of black currant juice concentrated 5.5 times inhibits 92% of MAO action (ref European patent application 0531155)
PATENT: Cerebral-Activating Compositions
http://register.epol...ep&LG=en&DB=REG
QUERCETIN is also the most POTENT bioflavonoid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quercetin
Quercetin is a flavonoid that forms the "backbone" for many other flavonoids, including the citrus flavonoids rutin, hesperidin, naringin and tangeritin. Quercetin is found to be the most active of the flavonoids in studies, and many medicinal plants owe much of their activity to their high quercetin content. Quercetin has demonstrated significant anti-inflammatory activity because of direct inhibition of several initial processes of inflammation. For example, it inhibits both the manufacture and release of histamine and other allergic/inflammatory mediators. In addition, it exerts potent antioxidant activity and vitamin C-sparing action.
On another side of things, Albert Hoffman suggests taking CHOCOLATE in order to speed up and accelerate LSD effects.
"Albert Hoffman [the discoverer of LSD] told me about it with reference to LSD, and he said that there are some receptors that it speeds up, and now we do it with MDMA and it seems to me that it works. They always have to take their orange juice, their pills and the chocolate. I think it has something to do with endorphines."
http://ecstasy.org/b.../e4x.ch.09.html
"In pre-Columbian México the mushrooms were served and eaten with chocolate and/or honey."
http://www.erowid.or..._article6.shtml
"Dark chocolate derived from the plant (Theobroma cacao) is a rich source of flavonoids. Flavonoid-rich dark chocolate improves endothelial function and is associated with an increase in plasma epicatechin concentrations in healthy adults."
http://www.chocolate...flavonoids.html
Chocolate improves digestion and elimination where cacao/chocolate countered the effects of stagnant or weak stomachs, stimulated kidneys and improved bowel function.
http://www.chocolate.org/history.htm
CONCLUSION
This magic and unbeatable combination of high acidity, MAO-A Inhibition and potent bioflavonoid in relation to certain enzymes which would a allow a greater absorption of active compounds in the stomach is what makes of Black Currant juice the Gummiberry juice.
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IMPORTANT links. Further information about MAOIs:
http://en.wikipedia....idase_inhibitor - Wikipedia
http://www.erowid.or...ois/maois.shtml - MAOIs, Erowid
http://www.maps.org/...1/06158mao.html - MAOI Contraindications
http://peyote.com/jonstef/maois.htm - Harmala in Syrian Rue as MAOI
http://www.acacialand.com/syrian.html - "Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo both claimed that, owing to rue's metaphysical powers, their eyesight and creative inner vision had been improved."
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Thought you might find this information interesting.
"Dr. Frescas also mentioned that black current juice is a MAO inhibitor, and when one bottle (diluted) is drunk with MDMA or amphetamine the effect can be felt with increased blood pressure and heart rate."
As published on the book E is for Ecstasy, with contributions from Sasha Shulgin [discoverer of MDMA].
http://ecstasy.org/b....ap.01.141.html
Incidentally, this book was seized by Australian customs in 1994, and at last check (May 2000), the official ban on the book was still in force in that country.
Chemtech June 93 page 63: 50 grams of black currant juice concentrated 5.5 times inhibits 92% of MAO action (ref European patent application 0531155)
PATENT: Cerebral-Activating Compositions
http://register.epol...ep&LG=en&DB=REG
Abstract of EP0531155
"The use of an effective monoamine oxidase-inhibitory amount or portion of black currant juice (Ribes nigrum L.) or concentrate or dry extract thereof to activate the brain and central nervous system, in a living animal, especially a human being, in need thereof, and thereby to increase the general cerebral performance, especially in healthy and elderly people, and for the prevention, treatment, and alleviation of neurodegenerative diseases associated with reduced cerebral performance, such as Parkinson's disease, dementia, and mood disorders."
http://v3.espacenet....c?IDX=EP0531155
Claims of EP0531155
1. Use of blackcurrant juice or a concentrate or dry extract thereof for the manufacture of an orally administrable medicament for promotion of monoamine oxidase inhibition and/or cerebral stimulation.
2. Use as claimed in claim 1 for manufacture of a medicament for increase of cerebral performance and/or improvement of state of mood and/or prevention or treatment of neurodegenerative diseases in a human subject.
3. Use as claimed in claim 1 or claim 2 wherein said medicament is presented for administration of from 100 mg to 50 grams, preferably 1 gram to 20 grams, of blackcurrant juice or concentrate or dry extract thereof per day.
4.Use as claimed in any of the preceding claims wherein said medicament is presented for administration of from 10 mg to 10 grams, preferably 100 mg to 5 grams, of blackcurrant juice or concentrate or dry extract thereof per unit dosage form.
5. Use as claimed in any of the preceding claims wherein an at least two-fold concentrate of blackcurrant juice is employed.
6. Use as claimed in claim 5 wherein a four-fold to eight-fold concentrate of blackcurrant juice is employed.
7. Use as claimed in claim 6 wherein an approximately 5.5-fold concentrate of blackcurrant juice is employed.
8. Use as claimed in any of claims 1 to 4 wherein a dry extract of blackcurrant juice is employed.
9. Use as claimed in any of the preceding claims wherein the blackcurrant juice or concentrate or dry extract thereof is formulated as a pharmaceutical, food or dietetic food composition.
10. Use as claimed in any of the preceding claims wherein the blackcurrant juice or concentrate or dry extract thereof is formulated as a tablet, coated tablet, syrup, tonic or drink mix.
http://v3.espacenet....5&QPN=EP0531155
"The invention thus relates to use of black currant juice and concentrates and dry extracts thereof in the manufacture of medicaments for the inhibition of monoamine,oxidase and/or for stimulation of the brain and central nervous sytem, e.g. to increase general cerebral performance, especially in healthy and elderly people, as well as for the prevention, treatment, and alleviation of neurodegenerative diseases associated with reduced cerebral performance, such as Parkinson's disease, dementia, and mood disorders.
Such medicaments may contain a pharmaceutically or orally-acceptable carrier or diluent together with the black currant juice or concentrate or dry extract thereof to facilitate oral administration of such a composition which may, for example, be in the form of a pharmaceutical, food, or dietetic food composition. The diluent or carrier may be adapted for the particular type of composition, which may, for example, be a tablet, a coated tablet, a syrup, a tonic, or a drink mix.The amount of black currant juice, concentrate, or dry extract present or employed is conveniently between 10 mg and 10 g per unit dosage form, preferably between 100 mg and 5 g per unit dosage form, and the black currant juice, concentrate, or dry extract is conveniently administered in an amount between 100 mg and 50 g per day, preferably in an amount between 100 mg and 50 g per day, preferably between 1 and 20 grams per day. The black currant juice is advantageously present in the form of an at least 2-fold concentrate thereof, preferably a 4-fold to 8-fold concentrate thereof, and most especially an approximately 5.5-fold concentrate thereof, or in the form of a dry extract thereof."
http://www.maps.org/...1/06158mao.html
Contraindications to the use of MAOIs include severe liver and kidney impairment, severe or frequent headache, uncontrolled hypertension, cardiovascular diseases, and cerebrovascular diseases.(6) Of course, those with psychiatric preconditions, especially prior psychotic breaks, should avoid entheogens, except when mediated by a professional.
Test 5 - Demonstration of cerebro-activating effect in humans
"In a single-blind controlled study the pharmaco-EEG, duration of spiral after-effect (SAE), profile of mood state (POMS), MAO activity (cf. 2), and blood pressure were assessed after the administration of 50 g black currant juice concentrate (5.5-fold) in comparison with orange juice as placebo."
http://v3.espacenet....5&QPN=EP0531155
"Ribena is a brand of uncarbonated soft drink made by GlaxoSmithKline GlaxoSmithKline, containing blackcurrant juice. The blackcurrant is a temperate shrub which produces small edible berries with a high natural vitamin C content, which are very dark purple/blue in colour—almost black—hence the name. The drink was launched in the 1930s and it was given the name Ribena, from the botanical name for the blackcurrant, Ribes nigrum in 1938. Blackcurrants are a rich source of Vitamin C.
Today Ribena is sold as a cordial and also pre-diluted and marketed in a large variety of flavours (e.g. Blackcurrant, Strawberry and Apple)."
http://encyclopedia....nary.com/Ribena
Ribena Concentrate:
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Ribena: http://www.ribena.co.uk/
# MAOIs in Combination with Psychedelics
Generally increase the effects of the psychedelic significantly. Be extremely careful.
http://www.erowid.or...ois/maois.shtml
http://www.erowid.or...ois_info8.shtml
Mushrooms Dosage calculator multiplies 2X the effect when using MAOIs.
http://www.shroomery...pl/0/par/12195/
Are we talking now of a 5X effect with lemon juice plus 2X with Black Currant = 10X EFFECT??
Has anybody tried BLACK CURRANT juice yet? Now THIS together with lemon juice might be THE thing.
IMPORTANT INFORMATION. DO the test with an EMPTY stomach.
As per http://www.erowid.or...ois_info2.shtml
FOODS TO AVOID with MAOIs
# Alcoholic beverages Avoid Chianti wine and vermouth.
# Consumption of red, white, and port wine in quantities less than 120 mL present little risk (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988; McCabe, 1986).
# Beer and ale should also be avoided (McCabe, 1986), however other investigators feel major domestic (US) brands of beer is safe in small quantities (½ cup or less than 120 mL) (Anon, 1989; Da Prada, 1988), but imported beer should not be consumed unless a specific brand is known to be safe.
# Whiskey and liqueurs such as Drambuie and Chartreuse have caused reactions.
# Nonalcoholic beverages (alcohol-free beer and wines) may contain tyramine and should be avoided (Anon, 1989; Stockley, 1993).
# Banana peels A single case report implicates a banana as the causative agent, which involved the consumption of whole stewed green banana, including the peel. Ripe banana pulp contains 7 µg/gram of tyramine compared to a peel which contains 65 µg/gram and 700 µg of tyramine and dopamine, respectively (McCabe, 1986).
# Bean curd Fermented bean curd, fermented soya bean, soya bean pastes contain a significant amount of tyramine (Anon, 1989).
# Broad (fava) bean pods These beans contain dopa, not tyramine, which is metabolized to dopamine and may cause a pressor reaction and therefore should not be eaten particularly if overripe (McCabe, 1986; Anon, 1989; Brown & Bryant, 1988).
# Cheese Tyramine content cannot be predicted based on appearance, flavor, or variety and therefore should be avoided.
# Cream cheese and cottage cheese have no detectable level of tyramine (McCabe, 1986; Anon, 1989, Brown & Bryant, 1988).
# Fish Fresh fish (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986) and vacuum-packed pickled fish or caviar contain only small amounts of tyramine and are safe if consumed promptly or refrigerated for short periods; longer storage may be dangerous (Anon, 1989).
# Smoked, fermented, pickled (Herring) and otherwise aged fish, meat, or any spoiled food may contain high levels of tyramine and should be avoided (Anon, 1989; Brown & Bryant, 1988).
# Ginseng Some preparations have resulted in a headache, tremulousness, and manic-like symptoms (Anon, 1989).
# Protein extracts Three brands of meat extract contained 95, 206, and 304 µg/gram of tyramine and therefore meat extracts should be avoided (McCabe, 1986).
# Avoid liquid and powdered protein dietary supplements (Anon, 1989).
# Meat nonfresh or liver
# no detectable levels identified in fresh chicken livers
# high tyramine content found in spoiled or unfresh livers (McCabe, 1986).
# Fresh meat is safe, caution suggested in restaurants (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988).
# Sausage, bologna, pepperoni and salami contain large amounts of tyramine (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988; McCabe, 1986).
# No detectable tyramine levels were identified in country cured ham (McCabe, 1986).
# Sauerkraut Tyramine content has varied from 20 to 95 µg/gram and should be avoided (McCabe, 1986).
# Shrimp paste Contain a large amount of tyramine (Anon, 1989).
# Soups Should be avoided as protein extracts may be present; miso soup is prepared from fermented bean curd and contain tyramine in large amounts and should not be consumed (Anon, 1989).
# Yeast Brewer's or extracts - yeast extracts (Marmite) which are spread on bread or mixed with water,
# Brewer's yeast, or Yeast vitamin supplements should not be consumed.
# Yeast used in baking is safe (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988; McCabe, 1986).
The foods to use with caution list categorizes foods that have been reported to cause a hypertensive crisis if foods were consumed in large quantities, stored for prolong periods, or if contamination occurred. Small servings (½ cup, or less than 120 mL) of the following foods are not expected to pose a risk for patients on MAOI therapy (McCabe, 1986).
FOODS TO USE WITH CAUTION
(½ cup or less than 120 mL)
Alcoholic beverages - see under foods to avoid.
Avocados - contain tyramine, particularly overripe (Anon, 1989) but may be used in small amounts if not overripened (McCabe, 1986).
Caffeine - contains a weak pressor agent, large amounts may cause a reaction (Anon, 1989).
Chocolate - is safe to ingest for most patients, unless consumed in large amounts (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986).
Dairy products - Cream, sour cream, cottage cheese, cream cheese, yogurt, or milk should pose little risk unless prolonged storage or lack of sanitation standards exists (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986). Products should not be used if close to the expiration date (McCabe, 1986).
Nuts - large quantities of peanuts were implicated in a hypertensive reaction and headache. Coconuts and brazil nuts have also been implicated, however no analysis of the tyramine content was performed (McCabe, 1986).
Raspberries - contain tyramine and small amounts are expected to be safe (McCabe, 1986).
Soy sauce - has been reported to contain large amounts of tyramine and reactions have been reported with teriyaki (Anon, 1989), however analysis of soy sauce reveals a tyramine level of 1.76 µg/mL and fermented meat may have contributed to the previously reported reactions (McCabe, 1986).
Spinach, New Zealand prickly or hot weather - large amounts have resulted in a reaction (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986).
DRUGS to AVOID with MAOIs. If you are on medication please DO NOT try this!
As per http://www.erowid.or...ois_info3.shtml
To be as safe as possible, avoid the following drugs while you are taking an MAOI antidepressant and for two weeks after stopping it.
* All SSRIs (prozac, zoloft, and several other anti-depressants)
SSRIs block the reuptake of serotonin in the brain. Because MAOIs inhibit the breakdown of serotonin, the combination of MAOIs and SSRIs can lead to dangerously high levels of serotonin in the brain (serotonin syndrome). Symptoms of serotonin syndrome include nausea, vomiting, blackouts, memory loss, increased blood pressure and increased heart rate.
* Demerol
* Cold preparations (tablets, capsules, or liquids such as Comtrex)
* Cough medications containing decongestants, Dextromethorphan (DXM)1, or Demerol
* Sinus medications
* Nose drops or nasal sprays
* Nasal decongestants
* Hay fever medications
* Diet pills
* Amphetamines --- speed
* MDMA --- Ecstasy
* MDE, MDA, and other "MD" compounds
* Cocaine --- crack
MAOIs can and will dramatically increase the effects of some of these drugs to the point of becoming dangerous. Other plants and chemicals are intentionally combined with some reversible MAOIs (plants such as Syrian Rue or Banisteriopsis Caapi, or their primary active chemicals the harmala alkaloids) to intentionally increase the effects of chemicals such as DMT (as is done in many forms of the ayahuasca brew) or sometimes phenethylamines such as Mescaline or 2-CB. All of these "potentiating" combinations can be dangerous if used improperly.
** Further studies related with Black Currant juice **
Effect of blackcurrant-, cranberry- and plum juice consumption on risk factors associated with kidney stone formation.
Kessler T, Jansen B, Hesse A.
Division of Experimental Urology, Department of Urology, University of Bonn, Bonn, Germany.
Eur J Clin Nutr. 2002 Oct;56(10):1020-3
Blackcurrant juice increased the urinary pH and the excretion of citric acid. The excretion of oxalic acid was increased too.
CONCLUSION: It is concluded that blackcurrant juice could support the treatment and metaphylaxis of uric acid stone disease because of its alkalizing effect.
http://www.anti-agin...om/41fruits.php
Also, the concentration of juice has to be known beforehand and before measuring the amount to drink.
As per http://www.ribena.ie...a/products.html,
Ribena Concentrate
(400ml, 600ml, 1 litre, 2 litre): Original Blackcurrant
"At our recommended dilution rate, you can get around 33 servings from a 1 litre bottle – so a little Ribena goes a long, long way."
I don't know what's the dilution rate they are recommending.
I'm taking as the typical serving 1 glass of juice = 300 cc. of juice.
that means, at their recommended dilution rate, I'm guessing:
1000 cc / 33 servings = 30.3 cc. recommended / glass = a 10X concentrate?
Anybody can please check this and see if we are talking about a 5.5X, a 10X concentrate or what.
Ribena is recommended unless anybody finds a stronger concentrate.
Really Light Blackcurrant Squash 1 litre should be the strongest one (name is due only to lower sugar content).
It's Blackcurrant Juice from Concentrate (7%) (once diluted on 5X water)
Product before dilution contains 35% juice.
50 gr. of 5.5X concentrate used in the Patent equals = 275 gr. of Pure juice.
To get 275 gr. of Pure juice, diluted 35% we need:
350 gr. pure per 1000 gr.
275 gr. pure -> (1000*275)/350 = 785 gr. of concentrate.
That's 3/4 of a liter needed, unless someone finds a stronger concentrate.
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If it cannot be found, another brands found are:
Ribes
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Posted 25 November 2005 - 11:01 AM

What is the summary conclusion of all this?
Just drink that type of juice before or with cubes to potentiate?

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 01:51 PM

Man!! Just read the whole thread over there. Took me an Hour and a Half!!!! Thats not including the links provided!! Interesting shit!! I will be staying tuned to this one...............................................

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 02:07 PM

What is the summary conclusion of all this?
Just drink that type of juice before or with cubes to potentiate?


More or less. PF's favorite method of dosing was with juice for the extra kicker and low stomach upset. This is also a favorite of mine on occasion. Still can't quite get that chewing them up thing dow-n gahk-uh hnh ulblublha! It's actually a very old concept. Just never seen anyone do so much homework on it. :bow: Nicely done infinitedot! You put a lot of work into this.

Never tried black currant juice but I have done the lemon juice along with others. There can be a noticeable difference. Especially with the fasting preperations. I would suggest increased water intake 24 hours prior as well.

I kind of stepped away from this kind of dosing with PF's discovery of "magic crystals". He he he....wonder what they would do with this method.

Interesting thread! Think I'll give the black currant a try on my next trip. I'll try to remember to re-post the conclusion to this thread.

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 04:42 PM

I kind of stepped away from this kind of dosing with PF's discovery of "magic crystals". He he he....wonder what they would do with this method.


Can you explain what this means? You stopped dosing with lemon juice because PF discovered "magic crystals"?

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 04:45 PM

I think it means the active ingredients are extracted from the shrooms and it doesn't need any enhancement to get flying high.

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 05:45 PM

Can you explain what this means? You stopped dosing with lemon juice because PF discovered "magic crystals"?


Sure thing shobi. The crystals are plenty good by themselves. Accelerants and boosters are not needed. The best trips I've experienced by far have been with crystals or liquer. Adding accelerants proly could be quite scary. I have my doubts that the results would be 10 fold but there should be a noticeable difference. In comparison, crystals will also have less stomach upset and meet or beat any of the times listed and will produce some truly incredible trips. Mixing strains in tea also provides a better trip imo but that won't beat the stomach upset. Another fairly safe kicker is Kava. It can make the trip a little different and even reduce the uncomfortable edge of a potent mushroom trip.

Okay, crystal currant it is! I gotta try this for sure now. I'm usually pretty objective about such things and should be able to provide a reasonably fair evaluation. Not that I doubt the others, but the only real difference in the data that I see from a 4g trip is the trippers personal opinion. Don't forget that the condition of ones body,mind and spirit play a larger role than anything when it comes to what kind of a trip one will have. I've always been a firm believer in discipline of the body, mind and spirit when tripping and my preperations are usually very ritual. A noticeable deviance should be easy to detect. :eusa_thin If I'm wrong, I hope someone will come visit me in my padded cell!

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 05:49 PM

I think it means the active ingredients are extracted from the shrooms and it doesn't need any enhancement to get flying high.


Exactly! I'm asuming shobi knows about PF's extraction teks. Otherwise I proly lost everyone.

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 08:03 PM

hmm that is very intresting. MAy have to try this one if i can find that juice shit around this hick ass state.

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sounds very interesting...
i'll prolly have to try this one
out..usually i make myself
4g worth of shroom tea..which
IMO....is very intense..but i'll
try this just to compare and contrast
the different affects..:D

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 11:39 AM

anyone
ever try this yet ?

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 12:07 PM

hah, after looking around at all the health food stores in town, I found a bottle of black currant juice at my local drug store last night. The checker asked me "Is this stuff any good?" All I could say was "I hear it's really high in vitamin C." Wanted to give it a try, but it was already late so I settled for some tea. I'm looking forward to experimenting, never used MAOI inhibitors before, so I'm going to make sure I try this on a day that I don't have to work or go to school. I'll be sure to let you all know how it went.

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 07:55 AM

thx.

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 06:51 PM

Have not forgot. Got the juice.....just need some time!:eusa_wall

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 07:36 PM

After reading that, I tried soaking powdered mushrooms in a small glass with pure lemon juice for about 20 minutes, drank the contents and I was feeling the effects almost instantly. It really does intensify the trip greatly.
That explains why I trip hard and fast off mushrooms bbq'd with hot sauce, the ph values of the vinegar(base ingredient in hot sauce) are probably close to lemon juice.
Just do it!!

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 07:47 PM

Tried the lemon juice soak awhile ago and it knocked me off my feet. Literally... at one point I forgot how to stand. It was a massive trip on about 2gs, but it wasn't very visual, my mind just got totally fucked.

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 07:02 PM

I think i might try soaking some chopped up fresh mushrooms in a bottle of blackcurrent juice for a few days and see what happens when taken in shots..... tbc

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 09:18 PM

Any info about Currant juice and Phalaris/Mimosa extracts? I'll definitely be trying a psilo/currant/lemon/lime experiment (or two, or three) and of course reporting the results. Probly next week...

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Posted 29 January 2006 - 02:56 AM

Is there a tek/anything still available about these "magic crystals?"

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Posted 31 January 2006 - 01:24 AM

I tried this maoi deally on New Year's. It was really nice. Picked up the black currant juice in the natural foods section of my local Pricechopper. It's Looza brand, 30% juice. It tasted quite good, with a very unique flavor. It made me feel kinda weird, but probably just because it's really sugary and I drank it too quickly (I had a liter, which has like 140 grams of sugar).

About an hour after I drank it, i put a little over 4 grams of dried mush in a lemon/ lime juice mix (fresh lime, bottled lemon juice). I drank that down, with some water cause it was awfully tart.

The trip kicked in within the usual time. There were some very intense visuals, some good laughs, and nice dialogue with the five friends I was with.

Unfortunately, there was an incident and my friend who lives in the apartment we were in sort of flipped out and kicked out all but me and another friend. Then it was time to act, running around trying to get things to make him comfortable and thinking of ways to console and understand him. It was a bit weird, but I still felt extremely pleasant through that whole ordeal, which confused me since I thought I should/would feel worried or annoyed.

Anywho, the juice certainly doesn't hurt (just watch what you eat- I had a pb and banana sandwhich and was fine) and probably made the trip nicer. Plus, it's good for the brain. Cool!




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