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#41 Hippie3

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 12:19 PM

i'd love a hand crank radio transmitter too

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 02:16 PM

If there is anything you should have is a 50 lb
bag of salt. It might sound trite but salt keeps forever
only costs a few bucks and is incredibly useful. The water
softener pellets are good cause they don't contaminate easily.
Since '91 war we have always kept some important items.

Another good thing to keep is a case or two of
half pints of whiskey. I can't think of two better
trade goods than these two. Guns and Amunition
are an obvious choice to have. Although 9mm is an obvious choice
for a hand gun, I like a 38/357 because they are
easy to cast bullets for and will run on almost
any power including homade black powder, 9mm won't.
For a rifle many like 5.56 NATO (223) but they can be
complicated as most are automatic. I prefer 7.62 NATO
or 308 winchester. This is again a military caliber so
ammo might be plentiful but incase it will run on cast bullets
and black powder. 308's are available in a variety of
guns including many hand crank, bolt action, which in there
life time might require no repair, as opposed to automatics.
And finally is the 7.62x39 Soviet. This is the round that
is used in the SKS, AK 47 and many of there varients. The Russians
have switched to the AK 74 which doesn't use the 7.62
ammo but that's OK. The 7.62 Soviet ammo is widely
available for a hundred per thousand rounds and for a
few bills you can have enough to start your own war.
I've run SKS's and AK's on cast bullets and black powder
and although not great they will turn live stuff into meat.

I don't care much for the Mormon faith but they do some
smart things. One of there requirements is keeping a years
supply of food for your family. One ad I saw was for a years
supply for 4 for 2,999.95. This place give you an idea what is takes

http://waltonfeed.com/self/plan.html

do a google search for "years supply of food" and see what's
out there. Enough of rambling.

Peace, Raul

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 02:41 PM

get a crank flashlight

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Posted 29 January 2006 - 03:33 AM

rabbits are small, give fertilizer and meat and fur.


Count the meat OUT.

Danger: Rabbit Starvation!

"Rabbits can provide the easiest of meals but their flesh lacks fat and minerals essential to man.

The Hudson Bay company recorded cases of trappers dying of starvation although eating well on easily available diet of rabbit.

The Body loses its own vitamins and minerals to digest the rabbit and these are then passed out in the feaces. If they are not replaced weakness and other symptoms of vitamin deficency appear. If more rabbit is eaten, the condition becomes worse. Trappers litterally eat themselves to death when eating vegetation would have ensured their survival. This situation often occurs when vegetation has been buried by snow and survivors rely on rabbits for food."

-SAS Survival Handbook, John "Lofty" Wiseman

Superglue works incredibly well on small lacerations and burns less than surgical glue.


Super glue is the poor man's dermabond. Which is used like sutures to close wounds....


indeed,
hence the need to stock-pile ammunitions
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Always a great idea!

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Posted 29 January 2006 - 03:44 AM

-SAS Survival Handbook, John "Lofty" Wiseman



Super glue is the poor man's dermabond. Which is used like sutures to close wounds....




Always a great idea!

I love when people reference 'ole Lofty, he was my great uncle I believe.......

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Posted 29 January 2006 - 03:50 AM

To me, the ultimate is to have your BUG OUT BAG (your away from home or leaving home emergency kit) stocked with everything you need to survive for a LONG time. It needs to be close by you or at a secure place you can get to easily at second best...

water purification, animal snaring, medical supplies, tools, shelter, laminated information on survival, etc. etc.

Plus, all your beltline gear (knife, light, multi-tool), at least 1 med-long range rifle, a side-arm and everything to carry it in...such as a taciacal vest that holds ceramic plates...drop leg holster for your pistol, etc.

I myself don't have much cash for all the top of the line equipment i'd like to buy but i am going to slowly get more of the things i need after making a basic kit.

below is an excellent website for survival type informaiton:

http://www.equipped....disastertoc.htm

100litre main + 20litre sidepacks: british issue DPM PLCE bergen rucksack / Heckler Koch HK416, an AR type rifle with a better internal design
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I love when people reference 'ole Lofty, he was my great uncle I believe.......


Wow! Any useful infomation or background on him?

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Posted 29 January 2006 - 09:14 AM

Thats a nice thought negative zero...... But if you look like a camado it makes it pretty simple to be treated like a combatant and shot as such.... Just a thought.
I finaly got a good digi cam for xmas. Time for a few survival type picture teks????
Knots traps and the such..?
I truly belive the absolute most important tool in any survival kit is your personal will to survive . Next comes the knowledge and resources to do so.
We must set our minds to a mode of Confidence and not of complaciance in the belife that the local Govt will bail us out.
For instance the Feds have already made it publicly clear IF we have an Bird Flu pandemic the burden falls on the local town to treat its pepole as the feds couldnt handle it.
Look at what happened with Katrina in orleans that in its self should be a damn wake up call.
Now consider all that is going on with Iran and Oil and nuclear ambitions be them energy or weapons.
There are many posable doomsday scenarios that are just a day away
on any given day.....
we just get lucky that it wasnt today.
So with all the worlds traumas and plights that could be here tommorow
Do you want to survive ? I do....
Now most of my prepardnes goes into a time set of 16 weeks. Ive got up to that point covered very comfotably if hard ration was followed it could be streched to roughly 24 weeks or 6 months...
Thats all I have for room to store suplies.
I live on my own property and am curently debating buildning a bomb shelter per say out in the back yard. Ive got a 10'x14' steel shed to build this spring.
Wouldnt take me but a day to rent a back hoe dig a 10'x14'x9' pour a slab lay the forms poor the wall and celling. Time plus $900 and ive got a good shelter
(and outback grow room)... With a nice utility shed on top of it to hepl hide it.
This room Could be stocked for up to a two year stay if needed.
But in reality most of us could store enogh suplies and food for a few months at most.
Its not like we would be looking at a red dawn type scenario or anything.
We would be defending ourselves from our neihbors and looters from the local area or even abroad.
There are just so many difrent posabilitys that could happen.
Ultimetly prepardness should be a striving for self suffeincy.
Do you have the skills needed to survive with no outside help ?
What happens when the supplies we have stashed run out then waht...
Do we turn to loting ourselves??
But by then looting is pointless as all the goods are gone..
Now we are in a postion to survive with nothing..
Do you try and steal from your neigbors?
Sure but ya might get shot...
Hopefully you have networked with some like minded people in your area and your not alone in your drive to survive.
Do you have the skils to garden and can the food for storage , or basic skills of farming livestock as Hippie pointed out....
In the most likely case of our country simply turning into absolute termoil we will simply need to learn how to streach what we have allready got.
It will be the the pepole who are creative who do best. Look at Cuba for example, Still using cars from the 50's making tires for them by hand. Same with there Harleys down there. I belive this wil be the types of things that will burden us , not an envading force....
Guns and amo are good to have ive got both and I doubt a single one would ever be fired at another man more likely then not it will be a deer guned down in cold blood rather then the Joe next door...

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Posted 29 January 2006 - 04:10 PM

a thought-
food.
potatoes are an excellent choice for a staple food crop
as the potato grows underground
where it is safe from nuclear fallout,
unlike crops growing above ground like corn, wheat, etc.
the irish lived on potatoes for many years,
during the little ice age
when it was too cold to grow cereal grains.
also in times of war/unrest
many times military forces attempt to destroy crops by burning.
that doesn't work for potatoes
which could still safely be harvested after the enemy moved on.

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Posted 30 January 2006 - 12:46 PM

Hippie 3,

In reading your last post I was left
a bit confused. It was my understanding
that the Ireland was not populated until
about 7,000 BC and the last Ice Age
occurred about from 30,000 years till
about 20,000 years ago. This would
have left the Irish elsewhere while the
land we now know as Ireland was
covered in about 400 feet of ice.

The potatoes that the Irish did grow
are a new world crop discovered by
the Spanish and grown by the Incas.
Potatoes didn't become important
in Ireland till about the 1660's. It
was perhaps a hundred years later
that potato blight struck and us
Irish starved on the beloved potato
and emigration began. Ireland lost
more than 1/3 of its population to
the potato famine and among
Irish people it is believed that the
population has never recovered.

Peace, Raul
http://www.wesleyjoh...ory/iceage.html
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Posted 30 January 2006 - 02:13 PM

I had a place in the country while
living in Washington State. I raised
many of the animals mentioned early
in this thread and I have to say that.
Hens(chickens) are the best. They
are not delicate but probably the
most robust of all fowl. A good hen
will lay 225 to 300 eggs a year. A
turkey or goose will lay less than 10.
There are some breeds of ducks that
will lay that many but ducks have
problems that hens don't.

All poultry is subject to predation.
Male ducks, drakes, don't have much
ability to defend a flock. Roosters
on the other hand is a fearsome
animal. That might be hard to believe
but ask anyone who raises chickens
about run ins with roosters. They
aren't afraid to stick there spurs into
anything or anybody.

Hens can also live on just about anything
for feed. We fed them all edible kitchen
waste. Table waste, vegetable peels with
bacon fat and grease left from frying on top
was always gone in an hour. When it was
time to butcher all the butcher waste went
into the chicken yard, kinda gross but also
a good method of disposal.

Finally different strains yield varied products.
We raised a strain called Babcock B-300 that
would lay 300 eggs a year on about 1/3 less
feed then your generic Rhode Island Red.
Another strain called Cornish Cross is the type
that you buy in the store. They will yield
a ready to butcher animal in 6 weeks. They
don't even have the time to feather fully.

But if your going to make it in the survival
world, your going to need seeds. The seeds
you purchase must not be hybrid. Hybrid
seeds will not produce seeds of the same
variety on the plants that grow from them.
Look for non-hybrid or heirloom varieties.

Seeds besides being necessary for the production
of foodstuffs are a great trade item. In a
survival world you can count on money,
gold and silver being worthless. Trade is the
currency on the day. If you are now preparing
for a survival, look at what you can own that
could be very valuable. I noticed that the local
Walgreens drug store has a nurse that will write
prescriptions. If we were plunged into a survival
situation, think what a course of antibiotics would
be worth. I'd trade a cow to avoid gangrene.
Stockpiling a supply of basic medications is now
very easy through local programs and through the
Internet. Of course keep a supply of meds necessary
to maintain your own health. How much is always
a difficult question, 6 months or 6 years.
And on that subject, Keflex is the cure for anthrax.
I keep a course of cephalexin in my safe for every
member of my family. Cheap insurance for a chemical
weapon that has already been used in attacks on
our country.

And to leave this rant, please learn to do
what is necessary to survive. Plant a garden,
not just MJ, learn to butcher an animal.
Shooting skills are easily learned and being
a good shot doesn't make you a war monger.
Learn to run a snare for small animals cause
the deer will be gone in the first month.
I picked up a fresh roadkill coon skinned and
tanned it. Wasn't fun, wasn't hard and I am
proud of the skin. Find a skill that would be
useful and important in an post disaster world.
Most of all decide that if the utilities fail, the
food stores and gas stations close and the
government is no longer providing security
that you will survive.

Peace, Raul

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Posted 01 February 2006 - 08:12 AM

Hippie 3,

In reading your last post I was left
a bit confused. It was my understanding
that the Ireland was not populated until
about 7,000 BC and the last Ice Age
occurred about from 30,000 years till
about 20,000 years ago. This would
have left the Irish elsewhere while the
land we now know as Ireland was
covered in about 400 feet of ice.

The potatoes that the Irish did grow
are a new world crop discovered by
the Spanish and grown by the Incas.
Potatoes didn't become important
in Ireland till about the 1660's. It
was perhaps a hundred years later
that potato blight struck and us
Irish starved on the beloved potato
and emigration began. Ireland lost
more than 1/3 of its population to
the potato famine and among
Irish people it is believed that the
population has never recovered.

Peace, Raul
Ireland in the last Ice Age
climate ref



i know all that.
but
i specified the 'little ice age'.
see
The Little Ice Age in Europe - Influence of Dramatic Climate Shifts on European Civilizations: The Rise and Fall of the Vikings and the Little Ice Age

if you read that link
you'll see graphs showing how grain prices skyrocketed
as temperatures declined
which turned the irish to farming potatoes,
as well as triggering the french revolution
and many other notable events.
one must know history to understand the present.
;)

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Posted 01 February 2006 - 10:53 AM

Your right I didn't see little ice age

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Posted 01 February 2006 - 11:02 AM

of course i'm right.
get used to that.
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 12:28 PM

I read the reference and it doesn't
seem to mention Ireland or potatoes.
I did some serious research to find if
the Irish did switch to potatoes because
their grain crops failed and i couldn't
find one reference the endorsed that
idea. In an article about the history
of the potato, I found the following.

Europe would wait until the 1780's before the potato gained prominence anywhere. About 1780 the people of Ireland adopted the rugged food crop. The primary reason for its acceptance in Ireland was its ability to produce abundant, nutritious food. Unlike any other major crop, potatoes contain most of the vitamins needed for sustenance. Perhaps more importantly, potatoes can provide this sustenance to nearly 10 people on an acre of land. This would be one of the prime factors causing a population explosion in the early 1800s.

This can be found at:

http://www.indepthin...o/history.shtml

We all know how right you are but it seems that you also
let your opinion support your conjecture.

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Posted 01 February 2006 - 03:17 PM

not at all.
that link wasn't meant to prove my point on potatoes,
it was to inform you about the little ice age itself.

just because you could not, in a few minutes of searching the internet,
learn all there is to know about the subject
is no reason to assume that i'm wrong.

you already made that mistake once, you know.
you should learn from your mistakes
and quickly, for your own sake.

but i'll point you in the right direction
as you're in luck, if you have cable/satellite tv.
as there is a nice two-hour special on the
little ice age running this month
on the science channel, i believe.
there you'll find much more info
than available
for free on the net.
but i'll leave it to you to inform yourself further
as i already know.
;)

but think-
the irish were growing something else before they switched to potatoes.
it must have been nutritious enough to support life there for centuries.
then they stopped
and it just so happens that the weather had turned excessively cold.
as that link showed, the normal cereal crops were failing across europe,
prices were sky-rocketing and there was little choice.
it was too cold, too long for much to grow to harvest.
the irish did not grow the lumpers because they tasted good,
the lumper was foul but the irish had no choice,
it was grow potatoes or starve.

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Posted 03 February 2006 - 03:53 AM

you saw it on tv! it must be true... :amazed:

just joking around, but i agree with Raul about the large supply of salt. it's an awesome food preservative and wound treatment not to mention it adds much needed flavour to otherwise bland survival food.

..mmm... survival food...

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Posted 05 February 2006 - 04:49 PM

The only bug-out kit/stored provisions you really can count on is what's in your head. Fill it first before worrying about rifles or ammo, which will just get you killed and slow you down. If you learn what the guy I mention in the next paragraph teaches, guns are moot, kits are moot, medicine, livestock, and gardening are moot. And if you STILL need a gun, these skills can get you one real fast from whoever around happens to have one. Trust me. I'd have yours real fast.

Tom Brown Jr has a website for his wilderness survival, tracking and nature school (should be called Advanced Shamanism, he'll take you places you never thought you'd go). I think it's trackerschool.com. Read anything he's written. You will look further, plus if you go to the school you will become a part of a growing and already huge nationwide/international network of highly skilled survivalists, the value of which is beyond calculation. Navy SEALS were always fellow students in classes I've taken, along with dreadlocked deadheads and corporate executives and cops and even Victor Wooten once. My life has two phases; pre-Tracker School and post-Tracker School. That's how intense it is.

I watched closely the unfolding events in N.O. after Katrina hit (as three of last year hurricanes went over my house!). I saw ignorance as the killer. I couldn't understand what the big deal was if you had legs that worked and were in any kind of reasonable shape. Then I remembered that most people don't know how to make fire with sticks or rocks or ice (ice not applicable in N.O.), burn a log into a bowl to purify your water in (with rocks heated on your fire), move undetected by man or dog, and that most people freak out if they haven't eaten in a few days and most importantly they allow their minds to succumb to panic (a fatal condition).

How to survive? Don't Panic. Surrender (to nature, not some guy). Practice.


"If you go into the wilderness with nothing at all except a knife, you're still just camping." -TBjr.

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PS-It's almost like two separate discussions here: survival and living independently. All this about livestock and potatoes and gardens and such is just like being Amish (except for the guns). In a full survival situation, you aren't gardening or tending livestock until years have gone by and the marauders are all dead. Let them do that to themselves (with their stockpiled ammo) while you head for high country traveling light and full of knowledge and awareness.

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Posted 05 February 2006 - 06:58 PM

lol
no one will be waiting years to start growing food.
you've seen a few too many movies methinks.

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 01:59 PM

Quite the contrary. I'm writing about a true survival scenario; ecological and societal breakdown without any hope of the National Guard rolling in with bags of ice eventually. Lots of those people who stockpiled guns are going to be roaming around looking for gardeners and livestock and wives and daughters and helping themselves. Many of them will be very well trained with those guns. A garden requires staying put. In the scenario I speak of, staying put will be hazardous to your health. And how will you know where it's safe to plant a garden? Without electricity to keep many currently ongoing industrial processes going/contained, there will be a lot of toxicity about. And epidemics, due to lack of functional medical technology. Diarrhea will again be fatal, along with a simple bone fracture and many other things we take for granted as curable/fixable.

Survival for a time can be accomplished with a supply of food and medicine and water and guns, but I'm talking about surviving longer than your supplies hold out. After that, knowing how to obtain what you need directly from nature (without being seen by the gun-toting crowd) will be the only means of staying alive. Being able to walk naked into wilderness and thriving is what I'm working toward being able to do, and to me is true freedom and our birthright as humans on Earth. Even if I never have to flee to the hills, it's more fun than a barrel of raving lemurs. And someday I might get caught in a blizzard on the freeway somewhere, or some similar situation where it's only me in the survival situation and all my supplies are back home in the basement.

Knowledge is power, not stuff.

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 02:16 PM

there won't be any total decapitation of society like you envision,
there will be vestiges of local authority left
and people will not suddenly revert to hunter-gather living
as you envision either.
one must be more realistic in one's planning.




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