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#81 Doctor D

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Posted 08 May 2009 - 07:22 PM

That chain letter is at least 8 years old.

http://www.breakthec...traliaguns.html

Crime Down Under

Date Added: Sept. 27, 2001
Last Updated: Sept. 27, 2001


This chain uses questionable statistics to "prove" that recent gun control legislation in Australia has actually increased crime there. It is presented as a warning to those in the United States and other countries who are pushing gun control like those in Australia.

#82 ernesto

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Posted 08 May 2009 - 08:39 PM

And so will go America, soon enough.

When you have no second amendment rights, how can you stop an opressive government?

And that avatar is still offensive to God Almighty. :teeth:



I feel like there's little chance you'll be convinced, but seriously - your gun rights aren't going to be infringed. There is a small group who still believes in gun control, but gun control faded as a mainstream Democratic issue 15 years ago when urban crime ceased to be a major issue.

I'm not saying there's no way there might be some effort to restrict access to things like .50 caliber rifles, or whatever. I don't think that will happen, because gun control is no longer popular. But there is no chance that .22 and 9mm ammo isn't going to be legal and available in 8 years. There's no reason to horde common ammo. I'm a pretty liberal guy, and I expect to own guns when my sons get a little older. I'd like, at least, a rifle and a hand gun. And when the DOD announced they'd start destroying expended brass cartridges rather then selling them intact, it was a letter from two Democratic senators that made them reverse the policy.

(Curiously, I just heard a gun fired that must have been within two block of my house.)

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Posted 08 May 2009 - 10:55 PM

It never ceases to come up as legislation. When the Congress gets REALLY freaked out at the number of guns being bought and the number of people REALLY upset at the policies being enacted-

watch the vote count to ban go up...

But it won't start that way- ammo taxes will be the first.

Socialist policies always include gun bans and confiscation along the way.

Something to remember- this is NOT a repeat of history for US, but a repeat of history of the demise of other nations- only this time it IS us.

Legislation is being proposed by several states right now (Texas, Montana, Tennessee, etc) to challenge the right of the Federal Government to regulate firearms made, bought and used within the state.

This is a MAJOR deal- and it's not just about firearms- it's about limiting the UNCONSTITUTIONAL encroachment of BIG FEDERAL GOVERNMENT on STATE'S RIGHTS.

Watch this one carefully- our liberties ARE at stake, and they DO want to control us.

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Posted 09 May 2009 - 11:42 AM

I appreciate that diligence is important, and that if you are lazy about protecting your rights it's easy to see them disappear.

I'm just saying, a run on .22 or 9mm ammo, in particular, is un-warranted. There's no way commonly owned handguns or rifles are ever going to be banned. It's not even something Democrats would support. Didn't Kerry and Gore both go out of their way to show they were gun friendly? Getting up at 5am to stand in line at Wal-Mart to buy ten boxes of 9mm ammo, to add to the closet full you already have, is unnecessary.

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Posted 09 May 2009 - 02:19 PM

That would depend on a number of things- but just because a politician says something, or makes a show of something, doesn't mean you should believe in them, as MOST are consummate liars who would sell their graanies ass to stay in power.

And they're at it again...

Lautenberg, Reed and Feinstein have proposed legislation banning private sale of guns, citing unsubstantiated and FALSE statistics related to guns used by Mexican drug cartels. This will stop all gun shows, private sale, etc...

Just another stab at ownership.

You can't make slaves out of armed citizens, man.

The Statists want total control over your life- from what you eat to how you heat to what you say... don't doubt it. One nibble at a time our liberties vanish.

They WILL achieve gun control.

The folks in England, Australia, etc- I'm sure lots of them said "no, that'll never happen' also.

The NWO cannot allow an armed citizenry.

And a gun without ammo is useless- and they know it.

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Posted 09 May 2009 - 03:15 PM

Never say Never.

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Posted 09 May 2009 - 08:50 PM

I can see some bans on so called "assault weapons" as it has been tried before. Those "assault weapons" i THINK are anything semi automatic. Any semi auto rifle, shotgun or pistol, such as the model 1911, and practicly ALL 9mm's are semi auto as well. Now, someone explain to me the difference between a weapon, and an assault weapon wtf is this? Are they saying i can't assault someone with a .38 revolver? Wha?

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Posted 09 May 2009 - 11:36 PM

Now, someone explain to me the difference between a weapon, and an assault weapon wtf is this? Are they saying i can't assault someone with a .38 revolver? Wha?


A .38 would scare a room full of people. An 'assault weapon' would scare the whole building... it just makes it possible to kill or harm more people in a shorter time frame that you could with a 'non-assault firearm'.

Assault weapons are generally high power hi capacity weapons.

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Posted 10 May 2009 - 08:20 AM

And a gun without ammo is useless- and they know it.


I don't want to respond to the other stuff, because I don't want to be too argumentative. But I just want to note - it's gun owners limiting the access of other gun owners to ammo. The production of ammo isn't a high volume business, and its ability to respond to hording is limited. The government isn't taking ammo off the shelves, it's gun owners lining up at Wal-Mart when they open, and buying way more than they actually need. I know people who are doing it, and I'm sure you do too.

#90 DrDee

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Posted 10 May 2009 - 09:19 AM

Morning Guys,
Interesting conversations. I'm an old curmudgeon too Catdaddy, so you're not the only one. I went a little off the deep end during Y2K and prepared to be as self-reliant as possible for as long as possible. I standardized with a 44mag revolver and a Ruger rifle that uses the same ammo. Reloading equipment including bullet molds and a good supply of powder and primers. I didn't have to use it then, but it's a secure feeling having it now.

Brass can be re-used as many times as needed if you inspect it carefully. Once the primer socket gets loose, or it gets hardened and cracks, then it's time to retire it...though I've never actually reused any to that point.

I'm a fan of McKenna and at least some of his ideas. He made an interesting observation regarding times of social collapse. It seems like it has occurred when technology out-paces morality. Ancient Rome, The Mayans, Hitler's Germany and well...as I look around, I see lots of technology and some dispicable behavior in the world right now. I hope everything will be OK, but it doesn't hurt to be prepared just in case.
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Posted 10 May 2009 - 11:44 AM

I don't want to respond to the other stuff, because I don't want to be too argumentative. But I just want to note - it's gun owners limiting the access of other gun owners to ammo. The production of ammo isn't a high volume business, and its ability to respond to hording is limited. The government isn't taking ammo off the shelves, it's gun owners lining up at Wal-Mart when they open, and buying way more than they actually need. I know people who are doing it, and I'm sure you do too.


Actually, I don't know any personally that have done just that- but it IS part of the reason for ammo shortages.

Let's examine some other reasons-

Legislation has been proposed to ID ALL bullets. This will increase the cost of ammo phenomenally- some people just want to shoot economically as long as possible.

Some people see shortages that will effect their enjoyment of shooting sports- so they buy ahead to prevent being OUT when an event occurs. This, of course, exacerbates the problem overall...

And then there are those that have listened to the current admin's OPENLY expressed desires to ban gun ownership, and realize that IF they ever want to own a gun AND ammo for it, they had better buy NOW. I'd say this is where most fit in.

As to how much a person NEEDS- that is a personal decision, and frankly, who knows? Many believe there will actually be open conflict at some point when an aggressive Socialist/Statist government feels they have the might and we are weak enough to enforce laws that we will see soon enough- those enforcing mass confiscation of property- like guns- and confiscatory taxation to pay for the out of control spending plans proposed and already in place.

I encourage anyone who feels that "all is going to be OK, that can't happen here" to examine the historical path that many other nations have taken down the road to Socialism/Statism. Removing firearms from the hands of the citizenry is MANDATORY in their plans.

Watch for a thread on Statism...

#92 ernesto

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Posted 10 May 2009 - 01:47 PM

catdaddy,

I have a high school buddy who has been complaining about going to Wal-Mart at the crack of dawn to buy ammo, and despite being the 12th person in line when they open, he's leaving empty handed. Not because they don't have ammo, but because the people ahead of him are buying boxes and boxes. And I have a friend whose husband is complaining of the same thing. I assumed it was fairly common.

I don't want to argue too much about the other stuff. Like I said before, I think people who are passionate about particular rights, and who are vigorous in defending them, are important.

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Posted 10 May 2009 - 03:32 PM

The main cause of the problem is hoarding. Your friend left walmart empty handed because walmart didn't get a shipment in, and shipments have been irregular. The bullet makers aren't able to keep up with demand. Part of the demand is the Obama scare, the other part of the demand comes from when a person who already had a gun tries to buy bullets and doesn't find any because the scared of obama person already bought them up. Then everybody is buying it up. All the stores up their invoice and the bullet makers can't keep up.
Bullet makers use fresh brass, not used military brass, so that so called problem about the military shredding their brass is bogus. Only a few companies reuse brass and it will clearly state 'remanufactured' on the box.
And the whole thing about "ID"ing each bullet has been around for years, it never has passed and most likely never will.

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Posted 10 May 2009 - 04:15 PM

The main cause of the problem is hoarding. Your friend left walmart empty handed because walmart didn't get a shipment in, and shipments have been irregular. The bullet makers aren't able to keep up with demand. Part of the demand is the Obama scare, the other part of the demand comes from when a person who already had a gun tries to buy bullets and doesn't find any because the scared of obama person already bought them up. Then everybody is buying it up. All the stores up their invoice and the bullet makers can't keep up.
Bullet makers use fresh brass, not used military brass, so that so called problem about the military shredding their brass is bogus. Only a few companies reuse brass and it will clearly state 'remanufactured' on the box.
And the whole thing about "ID"ing each bullet has been around for years, it never has passed and most likely never will.


All true. Many things, though have been "on the table" for many years and never passed...

Funny how many THOUSANDS of "pet projects" somehow became part of ONE BILL- the stimulus package- that was voted on and passed without even having been read by ONE legislator.

The times they are a'changing- far too quickly, I fear. The "baby steps" toward the NWO and a Socialist/Statist America have become great strides. I don't believe we can look at past history HERE and see the pattern of our future- we must look where the Socialist/Statist agenda has ALREADY been estabished- and see the direct comparison to our here 'n now.

Interesting that if only a small segment of our society had been hording ammo, you would think when they had enough, the supply would catch up with the demand. Seems more and more folks are joining those who see a need to be prepared in this fashion.

Most of the folks I've seen buying guns lately are first time buyers- and about 3/4 of those at my handgun class were people who had NEVER owned or shot a handgun before.

Maybe they realize that more rigorous bans are likely with the current legislative bunch than ever before. I do.

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 01:05 PM

So how exactly is Mr. Obama trying to take our guns? Please enlighten the un-enlighted gun owners such as myself.

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 01:50 PM

I'd be doing you a grave disservice if I did your homework for you.

Take some time to research the President's past statements, those of Congress, and current and recent legislation on the subject. Then let's talk.

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 02:41 PM

I dont see it... so I want to know what you think.

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Posted 23 May 2009 - 09:43 PM

As an out of work metal worker, making ammo is fucking easy.

Would I be out of line to offer molds or even surplus rounds for sale?

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Posted 23 May 2009 - 10:15 PM

I'd be interested...

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Posted 23 May 2009 - 10:18 PM

me too.. what you got?




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