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Basic Peganum Harmala Extraction


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#1 Phlux-

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 12:50 PM

Okay - This extraction is simple and worked fine for swim so far - its a work in progress and il keep it updated as swim goes along.
Swim chose this tek as he has no access to pure alcahols so whiterasta's tek was out.

Further steps are going to be taken to purify it and change it into the most usable form - freebase.

Firstly 50g of Syrian rue seeds were used.
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The Seeds were ground up well - then put in a pot with a small amount of water and simmered for about 30 mins - a tad of citric acid was added - swim should have used vinegar but was out at the time.

The seeds were then squeesed out and the liquid put aside - fresh water was added and this was repeated about 6 or 7 times - all the liquid was added together and reduced slightly - not enough. A pinch of citric acid was added to a perhaps 2 or 3 of those pulls.

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A pot of water was brought to the boil and non-iodated rock salt was added until no more would dissolve. 1/3 the total quantity of pull water - of hot salt water was added to the still warm pull water and stirred. this solution was allowed to cool to room temp then it was placed in the fridge overnight.
Swim woke up in the morning and noticed that almost nothing had precippitated overnight - so he decided to heat up the liquid again and then add as much salt as would disolve in the solution - a bunch of vinegar was added too as swim had only added a little citric acid earlier.
This now fully salt saturation solution was then placed in the fridge and very quickly xtals started to precipitate.

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Swim decanted off most of the water above the salt by using a piece of tubing and suction, the final bit was filtered and swim learned that rue is about the worst thing in the world to filter. The sparkling gunk was scraped off the filter -
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and then dried

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weighed
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and bottled
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Yeild - 2.4% - not bad for a first attempt.
Swim learned a lot of things in this proceedure and has some ideas to improve on how he did it -
on soaking the seeds - lots of vinegar should be added and the amount of liquid being used should be minimal on each pull. perhaps even leaving the ground seeds to soak in vinegar for a few days would be a good idea.
For straining in the early stages - using a steel sieve then a polyfill plug then fabric is a good idea - filtering rue is a bitch
After all the fractions have been combined - let the solution sit in the fridge for a day or 2 for any solids to drop out - as with cactus - then carefully decant and filter.
Rather than boiling up salt and water than adding 1/3rd the volume of ur base liquid - add salt directly too the boiling liquid - then strain it and place it in the fridge.
Swim intends to clean and freebase the final product - perhaps even separate the harmine and the harmaline

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Edited by mycobri, 14 April 2010 - 11:02 PM.

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#2 condo_pygmy

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 02:31 PM

Good photo's and good work Phlux :thumbup:

PS: Here's a quick harmala tek by catfish over at the Edot:
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#3 Phlux-

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 06:22 AM

okay an update -
the final product from before was disolved in vinegar shaken and strained - then repeated until the vinegar came off almost clean
this was straind a good few times until it was clear

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then sodium carbonate was added slowly until the ph tested neutral - something didnt quite look correct tho

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looked like the solution was saturated almost but somehow the ph was not going more basic
swim decided to saturate some water with sodium carbonate and then he added it to the solution - immediately clouds formed - more basic solution was added until the color stabalised

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More freebases are precipping atm - il keep this thread updated
lots being learned from this tek - thanks

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Edited by mycobri, 14 April 2010 - 11:04 PM.


#4 Irishlion

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 07:07 AM

Excellent Job Phlux, gotta love the mad scientist shit WOOT WOOT :greenboun:greenboun:headbang::headbang:

#5 Phlux-

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 01:58 AM

Okay so the freebases above were collected when they had all fallen out of suspension

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the solution is odd - it still looks luminous

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the precipitates were collected and dried

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and weighed

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then added to some vinegar acidified water and filtered a few times

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sodium carbonate was used to basify some water which was added while the solution - on adding this - suddenly precipitates formed

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which were collected to yeild this as yet to be dried freebase

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meanwhile in the background the cleanup process yeilded

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that looks like it is going to add considerably to swims yeild - it is at least the same amount as swims first collection - over a gram easily
one last thing - swim found the best way to filter the precips is to decant off any clear stuff and run that thru the filter fast then the muck at the bottom gets filtered - swim used a syringe with a cut out piece of coffee filter at the end - the muck is added with a dropper and filtration happens faster then 1 might imagine
here is swims filter

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swim intends to combine the 2 freebase batches and run thru the salting process with them a time or 2 in order to clean them.

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Edited by mycobri, 14 April 2010 - 11:08 PM.


#6 AndyLandy420

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 11:50 AM

wow, i need to try this...

#7 Phlux-

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 05:36 PM

swim combined the freebases - then salted them and recovered them perhaps 3 times to clean them - each time it was cleaner when xtals were visible swim decided to stop

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these were collected then converted back to freebase recovered - dried and ground up

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and weighed

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and bottled

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swim noted that the powder is very very soft - like talcum powder almost - when those xtals had grown just bumping the jar gently was enough to obliterate them.

swim has decided this is pure enough for now - there are more alkaloids to collect in the final clean up process - but swim has learned a lot, enjoyed the process and is certain better results will be achieved next time.
the final step for this batch may be rextalization - just gotta find something thats gonna work.

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Edited by mycobri, 14 April 2010 - 11:11 PM.


#8 AndyLandy420

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Posted 29 April 2009 - 11:18 PM

best rue pictorial ive ever seen by far, very easy to follow.:bow:

#9 Phlux-

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 08:57 AM

dont follow this its not a tek just my experience - a nice pictoral step will come soon based on the tips and teks i picked up on the way.

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 12:49 PM

dont follow this its not a tek just my experience - a nice pictoral step will come soon based on the tips and teks i picked up on the way.

cant wait...

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Posted 05 May 2010 - 11:59 PM

would this be effective in a caapi extraction? will the thh come out with the other alks?




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