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[whatchamacallit]

i herd if u have a dog in your car and thay have a k9 unit the dog is 99% false positive so most of the time thay will not even bother if u have a dog with u just wanted to put that in ther have a great one best of luck to the travalers

I have been made to get out of the car and hold the dog while they conducted the walked around with a K9. The dog acted in no manner to alert he was hitting on anything, not a bark, scratch or any signal I could observe, and they still told me he hit so they could search thoroughly, so the dog thing doesn't always work, if ever. I think they just use the dog so they can say whatever they like and search thoroughly. Also, if the dog, hit, why did they search the entire car, why not start with where the drugs actually were? I think probably because the dog didn't actually hit on anything. Luckily, my friend only had a couple grams of weed, and they let us both go, giving him only a ticket.

[FatDubCat]

Suggestion while traveling...

I have seen friends bust out the food sealer at festies with gloves and all before we depart from a festival to seal the bulk of our goodies in before any of us left. The key is here to wash your hands after the first second and third seal. Thats right folks TRIPLE SEAL !

FOOD sealer ! ! ! ! ! !

It doesn't matter how many times you seal your stash, every material on this earth is porous. The trick is to seal it just before you leave and move it fast that way the smell doesn't leak out; but eventually it will, it could take minutes it could takes hours. Best bet is to always stash your stuff well inside the car, and if you get pulled over just let the officer search. Once the dog comes your screwed :horse:

[TVCasualty]

Suggestion while traveling...

I have seen friends bust out the food sealer at festies with gloves and all before we depart from a festival to seal the bulk of our goodies in before any of us left. The key is here to wash your hands after the first second and third seal. Thats right folks TRIPLE SEAL !

FOOD sealer ! ! ! ! ! !

Not sure if you mean triple sealing a single bag or sealing in three bags, but FatDubCat is right in that it's not going to fool a dog. It will keep the smell from being detected by a human, but especially in Summer with the weather being hot odors begin to off-gas very quickly.

One thing I've done to help the odds (though this has not been tested in an actual stop) is to seal the herb in a foodsaver bag, then put that into a second foodsaver bag that has a lot of powdered activated charcoal in it. It's the same stuff that lines "Scent-Lock" hunting clothing so the deer can't smell you. It's also messy, so wear gloves when handling it. I would also suggest holding the first bag open while someone else puts the weed in it, then seal it and wash it with citra-solv or isopropyl. Then put it in the charcoal bag. Touching the weed, then washing your hands and touching the outside of the bag has probably still transferred enough odor to be detectable.


One design I'm working on combines two security features: Active odor elimination and extreme difficulty in locating or opening the stash. It incorporates a small check-valve and a vacuum line routed to the car's intake manifold. The stash box is metal and built to fit inconspicuously on part of the frame, wheel well, or other suitable location and has no lock or other visible means of attachment to the car or any way to open it. Using a neoprene gasket cut from an old wetsuit, it is held on to the frame with the vacuum generated by the vehicle (that's a lot). All the odors are sucked through the tubing into the engine and burned with the gas. If you get pulled over and shut off the engine, the check valve holds the vacuum which holds the stash tight to the car, and there would be a minimum of aromatics present due to the constant vacuum/combustion prior to being pulled over. We'll see how it goes...

[Azuloso83]

I've heard of people wrapping cocaine in electrical tape when bringing it across to prevent dogs from smelling this. I've also heard that dogs can't smell through garlic, and that people have used garlic salt around their shit when crossing borders to throw off dogs. I have never done either myself, and they may just be uban legend, but I would be interested to see if anyone else has ever heard of this or can disprove/prove it.

[whatchamacallit]

Not sure if you mean triple sealing a single bag or sealing in three bags, but FatDubCat is right in that it's not going to fool a dog. It will keep the smell from being detected by a human, but especially in Summer with the weather being hot odors begin to off-gas very quickly.

One thing I've done to help the odds (though this has not been tested in an actual stop) is to seal the herb in a foodsaver bag, then put that into a second foodsaver bag that has a lot of powdered activated charcoal in it. It's the same stuff that lines "Scent-Lock" hunting clothing so the deer can't smell you. It's also messy, so wear gloves when handling it. I would also suggest holding the first bag open while someone else puts the weed in it, then seal it and wash it with citra-solv or isopropyl. Then put it in the charcoal bag. Touching the weed, then washing your hands and touching the outside of the bag has probably still transferred enough odor to be detectable.


One design I'm working on combines two security features: Active odor elimination and extreme difficulty in locating or opening the stash. It incorporates a small check-valve and a vacuum line routed to the car's intake manifold. The stash box is metal and built to fit inconspicuously on part of the frame, wheel well, or other suitable location and has no lock or other visible means of attachment to the car or any way to open it. Using a neoprene gasket cut from an old wetsuit, it is held on to the frame with the vacuum generated by the vehicle (that's a lot). All the odors are sucked through the tubing into the engine and burned with the gas. If you get pulled over and shut off the engine, the check valve holds the vacuum which holds the stash tight to the car, and there would be a minimum of aromatics present due to the constant vacuum/combustion prior to being pulled over. We'll see how it goes...

Not so sure a triple vacuum sealed foodsaver bag doesn't work fairly well for dogs, even if only for a few days, because SWIM knows people who have been pulled over, and the dog went around their car with large amounts of weed hidden in the panels, triple sealed or more, plus individually sealed in lb units, and the dog didn't hit. The activated charcoal is another excellent idea.

My friends also never smoke on the ride, and if carrying a little smoke for when pit stops are made, they are sealed in jars prior to returning to the vehicle, jars are wiped clean with iso, then the hands are washed, and essential oils are used on the hands and body. No smoke is allowed in the vehicle, ever. The vehicle is kept very clean inside and out, and the driver dresses with a button up shirt, and regular pair of pants or jeans, even.

Doesn't hurt to have an FOP sticker, and/or a bible in the car, or to have children in car seats, or buckled in with their toys or books for entertainment. When cops see a clean cut family riding down the highway, or even a clean cut single person, with a clean car and no weird smells, they rarely even try to perform any type of search.

[extrememetal43]

This is where you made your mistake :puke:, as soon as the police have issued your citation/warning you are free to go. You should have said "Am I free to go?" after the warning was issued, he would have said yes... then you can drive off... :pirate:

Live 'n Learn

not that i dont believe you but do you have a source for this info. i didnt get a chance but im gonna search some info on our full rights while being stopped and during a search. il post back if i find good info!

[TVCasualty]

Not so sure a triple vacuum sealed foodsaver bag doesn't work fairly well for dogs, even if only for a few days, because SWIM knows people who have been pulled over, and the dog went around their car with large amounts of weed hidden in the panels, triple sealed or more, plus individually sealed in lb units, and the dog didn't hit.

Wow, that'd be a tense stop. I haven't had a foodsaver bag tested in that way before, so I couldn't advocate anyone else trying it as it would just be speculation on my part.

Years ago I used to overnight ship rather large boxes of aromatic herbal material sealed in mason jars. I secured the lids then dipped the tops in melted wax a few times, and when it hardened I washed the jar w/ citrasolv, put a few jars in a box then put that box in a box. It was a big next-day air package, but I never had a problem (we're talking mid-1990's, just so nobody thinks I'm suggesting this method now).

Doesn't hurt to have an FOP sticker, and/or a bible in the car,

The Bible is probably a good idea, but those FOP stickers always struck me as 'trying too hard,' plus I could never use one with any credibility (why just look at me). Better than DARE stickers though!

There's been a relatively new trend I've noticed that might be exploitable for security: In states that don't require a front license plate, people often put personal bumper-sticker type things where the front plate would normally go. You may have seen one that is all black except with a horizontal blue line bisecting it. A thin blue line, in other words a cop. Hauling along the Interstate and coming up on a trooper in the bushes, he'll see that front plate and thin blue line and assume you're an off-duty cop.

I figured out what that plate was for when I drove by a police station and in the side lot where all the cops' personal cars were parked more than half of them had that front plate, lol.


Sometimes I go against conventional wisdom when it comes to traveling, especially in terms of the speed limit. I had to drive almost three hundred miles one way to get some decent smoke a while back, so I bought a lb. I had it in the trunk and my average speed was 85, and that was truly my average speed which means I was often going 95, and occasionally 100. The catch is that there was always a car a hundred yards or so ahead of me going just a little faster. When I'd lose one I'd slow back down until the next guy blazed past and I'd try to stay close but not too close until they get too far off the front (out of sight) and I'd back off again.

The faster guy clears the road ahead of any copstacles and chances are a car that catches up to me from the back is going to be a cop 90% of the time, so if I see a car break away from a pack behind me and start catching up, I also back off. I only do this in the daytime in good weather and never on any kind of road other than an interstate, and never under any circumstances in Virginia or near automated speed cameras (such as interstates in Arizona, etc.).

[weeeeeee]

when riding dirty which is basically a constant for me(no license) anyways first off i follow EVERY traffic law to the t just so long as it does not make me stand out and i like to put those stickers on my car the ones that have a little football and say jason or tammy or whatever your little athletes name is i go for the this is a family vehicle approach i drive a ton and rarely get caught when i do its always due to an error on my part

[extrememetal43]

Arite i found some good sites for our rights...

http://www.policecri...com/police.html the first is where the following info is coming from.

also...http://www.flexyourr...asked_questions

Know Your Rights!

What the Police preferred you didn't know

Police officers are generally depicted as public servants, but they can be your worst enemy when they count on people like you not knowing your constitutional rights. Just because you or your children didn't know they had rights under the constitution and gave up those rights by talking to a police officer or a federal agent without an attorney could cost you dearly. This includes even a casual conversation that could happen on a traffic stop or on a sidewalk.

Educate your kids. Children have Rights! If you're Under 18 - CLICK HERE

What To Do If A Police Officer Stops You

To stop you a police officer must have a specific reason to suspect your involvement in a specific crime and should be able to tell you the reason. This is known as reasonable suspicion. Most times you are probably getting pulled over for a traffic violation such as speeding or maybe a tail light is out. Although the stop may seem wrong or unfair, the police believe they have a reason to stop you. Throwing a cigarette butt out of your car window is a reason for the police to pull you over and ticket you for littering and to ask you all sorts of questions.

Your Rights During a Police Encounter. Rules you should know to protect yourself from the police:

Rule #1 - Never talk to a police officer. Keep your mouth shut! (You never have to answer any questions a police officer may ask, except for your name, address and date of birth.)

Rule #2 - Never talk to a police officer. Keep your mouth shut! (How can you be charged with something if you haven't said anything?) Remember anything you say or do will be used against you.

Rule #3 - "Am I Free to Go?" As soon as a police officer ask you a question, ask the police officer, "Am I Free to Go?" If you are detained or arrested by a police officer, tell them that you are going to remain silent and that you would like to speak to a lawyer.

Rule #4 - Safety. Never bad-mouth a police officer. Stay calm and in control of your words, body language and your emotions. Always keep your hands where the police officer can see them. Don't run away and never touch a police officer!

Rule #5 - Refuse to Consent to Searches. Just say NO to searches! Remember if the police didn't need your permission, they wouldn't be asking you. Never give permission to a police officer to search you, your car or your home. If a police officer does search you, don't resist!

Rule #6 - Ask for a Supervisor. If all else fails and you feel the police officer is abusing your rights, ask him to call his "supervisor" to your location.

Traffic Stops

The police officer usually will ask you to show the usual documentation, such as your driver's license, registration and proof of insurance. You don't have to open your window more than a crack to hand it to the police officer. If the police officer ask you to roll down your window so that he may speak to you, you may tell him that you have nothing to say to him and ask him "AM I FREE TO GO?"

On traffic stops the police usually will ask you "personal" questions such as, where are you going, where have you been, who did you see, how long did you visit, ect. At that point it's the perfect time to exercise your RIGHTS by asking the police officer, "AM I FREE TO GO?" There is NO legal requirement that citizens provide information about their comings and goings to police officers! Another words it's none of the police officers damn business! If you are ordered out of your car, lock the door behind you.

Remember that the officer is not trying to be your buddy and become a new friend, they are on a "fishing expedition" to find something against you! They have nothing criminal on you, so they're looking for anything while they have you pulled over. It's the police officers burden to prove that you have broken a law, so bite your tongue and keep your mouth!

A good time to ask "AM I FREE TO GO," is after the police officer has given you a "warning" or a "ticket" and you have signed it. Once you have signed that ticket the traffic stop is legally over with, so says the Supreme Court. Now if you want to stand around and shoot the breeze with the police officer or answer his questions, that is up to you. Just remember there's no law that requires you to answer questions or talk to a police officer. After you have signed the ticket ask the police officer, "AM I FREE TO GO?"

Anything You Say Can And Will Be Used Against You!

Staying silent will not hurt you. Do not let the police persuade you to talk! The officer may not like this and challenge you with words like, "If you have nothing to hide, why won't you speak to me?" Just like the first question, you do not have to answer this second question either. A police officer may tell you that staying quiet will make things worse for you or that they'll go easy on you if you talk them, but this is not true!

You have every right NOT to talk to a police officer, and you shouldn't speak to them unless you have first consulted with a lawyer who has advised you differently. Some police officers are worse than others and some of them may treat you differently if they think you "know your rights." The police depend on fear and intimidation to get what they want from you.

If you run into a really bad cop, talking back to him and standing up for your rights might get you beaten up or killed, so be careful about the realistic limits of the law and of your rights as an American. Cops are perhaps the most dangerous members of our society, so be careful when you talk to them.

The Federal Supreme Court has ruled that as long as the police do not force an individual to do something, the individual is acting voluntarily, even if a normal person would feel very intimidated and would not reasonably feel they could say no. See (Florida v. Bostick, 1991) If you do what a policeman tells you to do before you are arrested, you are 'voluntarily' complying with their 'requests.'

Be as nice as possible, but stand firm on your rights! Read the Fourth & Fifth Amendments

CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS CANNOT BE SUSPENDED -- EVEN DURING A STATE OF EMERGENCY OR WARTIME !

Car Searches And Body Searches

Remember they wouldn't ask you if they didn't need your permission!

A police officers swore an oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution and not to violate your rights against unreasonable search and seizure. If a police officer ask or tries to search you, your home or your car, say repeatedly "I DON'T CONSENT TO THIS SEARCH."

"The right to be free from unreasonable searches is one of America's most precious First Liberties"

You DON'T have to give consent to any law enforcement officer to search your vehicle or home. While you DON'T have to consent, bear in mind that the expectation of privacy in a car is less than the expectation of privacy in your home. Based in part on the lessened expectation of privacy in a car, law enforcement officers are permitted to conduct a warrantless search of a car if the officer has probable cause. "In most cases the police officer will lie and make up a probable cause."

Just for being stopped for a traffic violation should not allow the officer to search your car; however, if the officer saw you throw an empty beer can out the window, that may be sufficient probable cause to search your car. If the officer "thinks" he smells marijuana as he approaches the car, he then may use that as probable cause to search you car.

Police Pat Downs...

The law allows police to pat down your outer clothing for the protection of the officer if you're being detained. The officer may only pat your outer clothing to see if you have any weapons. If the police officer feels something that could be a weapon, then the police officer can go into your pockets and pull out the item he thinks is a weapon. Otherwise a police officer CAN'T go through your pockets or tell you to empty your pockets. By law the only time a police officer may go through your pockets is if you're under arrest.

To protect yourself make it clear that you "don't consent to a search" and ask the police officer why he is searching you. Remember the reason they give you. If they claim to have a warrant, ask to see it. Whether or not they have a warrant, you can protect your CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS by making it clear that you do not consent to a search.

If the Police Knock at Your Home-You Don't Have to Open the Door!

If the police knock and ask to enter your home, you DON'T have to open the door unless they have a warrant signed by a judge. Such an invitation not only gives the police officer the opportunity to look around for clues to your lifestyle, friends, reading material, etc; but also tends to prolong the conversation.

There is no law that says you have to open your door to a police officer. Don't open your door with the chain-lock on either, the police may shove their way in. Simply shout to the police officers "I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY."

If the police do have a search warrant, ask them to see it and make sure that it is signed, has the correct date, correct address, and apartment number, ect.

* In some emergency situations (like when a person is screaming for help inside a home, when the police are chasing someone or if someone has called 911) officers are allowed to enter and search your home without a warrant.

Never agree to go to the police station for questioning. Simply say, "I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY."

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If a Police Officer Stops You On The Sidewalk...

You are perfectly within your rights to say to the officer who asks to speak with you, "Officer I do not want speak with you, good-bye." At this point you should be free to leave the officer's presence. The officer may not like this and may challenge you with words like, "If you have nothing to hide, why won't you speak to me?" Just like the first question, you do not have to answer this question either.

There is NO law that says you must tell a police officer where you are going or where you have been. So keep your mouth shut and say nothing!

The next step the police officer might take is to ask for identification. If you have identification on you, tell the officer where it is and ask permission to reach for it.

Probable Cause...

A police officer has no right to detain you unless there exists reasonable suspicion that you committed a crime or traffic violation. However a police officer is always allowed to initiate a voluntary conversation with you.

Sometimes it is unclear whether or not a person is detained. If you are in doubt, you should ask the police officer if you are in "Am I Free to Leave." Now if the police officer doesn't have "probable cause", and you refuse him to search your car, he might bring in a drug dog. At this point since the officer has no probable cause, he may be illegally detaining you. Tell the officer that you have an appointment and you're running late, and you really don't have time to stay. Ask him if you're "Free to Leave" so that you're not late for that appointment.

Under the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, police may engage in "reasonable" searches and seizures. To prove that a search is "reasonable," the police must generally show that it is more likely than not that a crime has occurred, and that if a search is conducted it is probable that they will find either stolen goods or evidence of the crime. This is called "probable cause."

Police may use first hand information, or tips from an "informant" to justify the need to search your property. If an informant's information is used, the police must prove that the information is reliable under the circumstances.

Here is a case where the police used an "informant's" word and the police officers took it upon themselves to kick in a door of a home at 1:30 in the morning without obtaining a search warrant. The aftermath was six police officers firing over 30 shots and shooting an innocent man 9 times in the back as he laid on the ground. Read Story

What You Don't Know Could Change Your Life Forever...

You might be wondering, don't police tell me that I have the right not to be searched? After all when a suspect is arrested, he is told before interrogation takes place that he has the right to remain silent.

The Supreme Court has said NO. According to the Court, the fact that a person might not know he has the right to refuse a search is merely one factor in the determination of whether his consent is voluntary. The Court has reasoned that the police do not need to give warnings -- to eliminate any doubt about the suspect's knowledge of her rights -- because warnings might detract from the informality of an otherwise "friendly" interaction between "civilians and the police." So you might ask yourself, is someone that would use something against you really a "friend?"

The Supreme Court has explained that "the community has a real interest in encouraging consent, for the resulting search may yield necessary evidence for the solution and prosecution of crime...." Furthermore, the Court has concluded, it would be "thoroughly impractical" to require an effective warning about the right to refuse.

Can We Trust the Cops?

Are police officers allowed to lie to you? Yes the Supreme Court has ruled that a police officer can lie to a citizen while questioning them. Police officers are very good at lying, twisting words and they are trained to be manipulative. Police officers and other law enforcement agents are very skilled at getting information from people. So don't try to out smart the cop or try being a smooth talker because you will loose! If you can keep your mouth shut, you might just come out ahead more then you expected.

The federal government made a law that says citizens can't lie to federal agents. They can lie to us, but we can't lie to them. Makes perfect since don't it? The best thing you can do is ask for a lawyer and keep your mouth shut. How can you be charged with something if you haven’t said anything?

Although police officers may seem nice and pretend to be on your side, they are likely to be intent on learning about the habits, opinions, and affiliations of people not suspected of wrongdoing, with the end goal of stopping political activity with which the government disagrees. Don't try to answer the police officers questions, or try to "educate them" about your cause, it can be very dangerous! You can never tell how a seemingly harmless bit of information that you give the police officer might be used and misconstrued to hurt you or someone else. And keep in mind that lying to a federal agent is a crime.

Officers may promise shorter sentences and other deals for statements or confessions. The police cannot legally make deals with people they arrest. The only person who can make a deal that can be enforced is the prosecutor, and he should not talk with you without a lawyer present who represents you.

Teach your children that the cops are not always their friends, and the police officer must contact a parent for permission to ask your child any questions. Remember that the police are trained to put you at ease and to get you to trust them. Their job is to find, arrest and help convict a suspect. And that suspect is you!

Lies That The Police Use To Get You To Talk...

There are many ways the police will try to trick you into talking. Its always safest just to say the Magic Words: I'm going to remain silent and I want a lawyer.

The following are common lie's the police use when they’re trying to get you to talk:

* "You will have to stay here and answer my questions" or "You're not leaving until I find out what I want."

* "I have evidence on you. Tell me what I want to know or else." (They can fabricate ''fake'' evidence to convince you to tell them what they want to know.)

* "You’re not a suspect. Were simply investigating here. Just help us understand what happened and then you can go."

* "If you don’t answer my questions, I won’t have any choice but to take you to jail."

* "If you don’t answer these questions, you’ll be charged with resisting arrest."

If The Police Arrest You...

If you are arrested, the police can search you and the area close by. If you are in a building, "close by" usually means just the room you are in. If during a search or an arrest the police take anything from you, they must give you a receipt for every item seized, including your wallet and its contents, clothes, and any packages you were carrying when arrested.

"I DON'T WANT TO TALK UNTIL MY LAWYER IS PRESENT"

* Even if your rights weren't read, refuse to talk until your lawyer/public defender arrives.
* If your arrested and can not afford an attorney, you have the right to a public defender. If you get a public defender always make it clear that the public defender is not representing you, but merely is serving as your counsel.
* Do not talk to the inmates in jail about your case.
* Within a reasonable time after your arrest, or booking, you have the right to make a local phone call: to a lawyer, bail bondsman, a relative or any other person. The police may not listen to the call to the lawyer.
* If you're on probation or parole, tell your P.O. you've been arrested, but nothing else.

* You may be released with or without bail following the booking. If not, you have the right to go into court and see a judge the next court day after your arrest. Demand this RIGHT! When you appear before the judge, ask for an attorney. An attorney has a better chance at convincing a judge to let you out on a lower bail then you could.

[weeeeeee]

On August 24, the case was referred to a grand jury by District Attorney John B. Holmes with no charges recommended. D.A. Holmes has admitted that it is his policy never to recommend charges against cops. The means that you and I are held at different standards than the police. Instead of indicting these killer cops for murder, the grand jury cleared all of them except one, who received a sham misdemeanor criminal trespass charge. Only after a public outcry were the six officers fired by Chief of Police Bradford. They were fired because people like you had the guts to stand up and voice your outrage.

you can have a policy that acquits all cops of criminal charges???????????????????????

[extrememetal43]

See in my situation i made a lot of mistakes. I answered too many questions i didnt have to which made my situation worse. I think the cop knew i was lying.

After the cop gave me my ticket i was free to go all i had to say was "Am i free to go?" i coulda been out of there no hassles whatsoever.

Also, I should have locked my car when we got of it that would have kept the cop from performing his illegal search.

My friends did good they knew to be quiet. if the cop ever seperated us it could have led to him realizing we werent goin where we said we were goin bc our stories may not have been strait. so make sure your stories are strait b4 you encounter LEO

The chocolates i had were in a big block.. they werent in individual pieces. M&M i think after this i have to retire the pot leaf molds. i only use them when i have some really potent shit like my PE but its just not safe for the road. the individual pieses may have been a red flag.

The way i looked was y they hassled me. I had a band t shirt on and have long hair and was wearing hemp. Now fuck the cops i will never cut my hair for anyone but i drove to a fest on saturday and wore a black button doen shirt over my grateful dead t and took off my hemp.

Im definitely gonna put a bible in my car and get one of those stickers with my sons name and a football. i always hated the soccer moms with the soccer balls but fuck it il protect myself with a stcker. And i think il always use the story im going to get my son or going to church. With camping gear maybe a church retreat story.

Also, when he had that dog circle my car he had no right to do that i think. basically i was free to go at that point and by knowing that i would have avoided that situation.

[extrememetal43]

Sometimes I go against conventional wisdom when it comes to traveling, especially in terms of the speed limit. I had to drive almost three hundred miles one way to get some decent smoke a while back, so I bought a lb. I had it in the trunk and my average speed was 85, and that was truly my average speed which means I was often going 95, and occasionally 100. The catch is that there was always a car a hundred yards or so ahead of me going just a little faster. When I'd lose one I'd slow back down until the next guy blazed past and I'd try to stay close but not too close until they get too far off the front (out of sight) and I'd back off again.

I always call that speeding car a rabbit. Ya let them get nailed. But man watch your speed especially if your traveling with weight. Cruise control is my best friend on trips it holds the speed for you so you dont have to worry. it wasnt working in the van at that time 4 me. mine works when it wants to.

Overall im glad this experience happened to me...i now know how to better handle myself in these situations. and having a lil experience with talking with the cops in this situation will help me not be as nervous next time, i wasnt that nervous but i was a lil and the pig may have picked up on it.

But fuck it i got fucked up off the shrooms that survived the canine search and that memory will always be with me. that trip was one of the best times i ever had.

[TVCasualty]

you can have a policy that acquits all cops of criminal charges???????????????????????

You mean your town doesn't?

In Colorado, there's an actual statute on the books stating if a legislator is on their way to work and is pulled over and suspected of DUI, they are to be given a ride. To the legislature, not jail that is.

From the Denver Police Department Operations Manual:

205.07. Violations by Colorado Legislators.
(1) Pursuant to Article 5, section 16 of the Colorado Constitution, no member of the Colorado General Assembly may be arrested while in route to or from legislative sessions, except for treason or felony violations..
(4) In the absence of felony violations, should an officer have reason to believe a legislator is driving under the influence, the officer may cite for a violation which caused an accident or was the reason for a traffic stop. For the safety and welfare of the public and the legislator, the officer will arrange for other transportation for the legislator and his/her vehicle will be parked and locked

http://www.duiblog.c...-drunk-driving/

Now that's protectin' AND servin'! How come I don't get none of that?? I mean, a chauffeur and valet service? Sweet!

Other departments instruct their officers in how to testify in DUI cases (that is, how to commit perjury):

The following is a complete and verbatum (emphasis in the original) copy of a set of instructions given by the San Diego Police Department to their blood-alcohol technicians testifying in a drunk driving trial (presumably, a different script exists for toxicologists):

COURT TESTIMONY
You will be asked your name.

You do not have to remember drawing [blood from] the particular defendant. Just say you draw many patients each day you work and it is impossible to remember each one.

You may be asked how you draw the blood. It is the standard procedure you follow for ALL blood draws, EXCEPT that you use a NON-ALCOHOLIC antiseptic wipe (Benzalkolium) to cleanse the phlebotomy site. You ALWAYS follow the same procedure for every blood draw. The blood is drawn into grey top tubes provided by the San Diego Police Department. The tubes contain an anticoagulent (Potassium Oxylate) and a preservative (Sodium Fluoride). You check the tube for the presence of a loose, slightly pink powder before you use it. After you fill the tube with blood, you invert the tube 10 times to mix the blood with the anticoagulent/preservative. You will always mix any tube with an anticoagulent 10 times (you count the inversions). The important things to remember is that you always follow the same procedure, so even though you don’t remember this particular individual, you know that you drew the person following our standard procedure.

The suspect is identified by the police officer and, when possible, you check the ID or ask the suspect their name. The police officer completes the label with the suspect’s name, DOB, etc. You put your name, date, draw time, and place on the label and place the label on the grey top tube. You then place the grey top tube in the plastic chain-of-custody tube, put the cap on it, and seal it with the sealing tape provided by the SDPD. You then hand it to the officer and he takes charge of it.

These instructions on what to say in trial are given to law enforcement witnesses testifying under oath. The witnesses are told to “testify” as instructed — not as to what they actually did and what they know to be true in a specific case.

http://www.duiblog.c...commit-perjury/

Why all my emphasis on DUI? Because the hysterical nature of people's reaction to it has allowed it to become one of the the greatest domestic threats to the Constitution. The writer of "DUIblog" makes a convincing case:

I hope to convince you in the next hour, some of you, that the greatest single threat to our freedoms, the freedoms set forth in the Bill of Rights, is not from Iraq or Iran. I don’t think it’s from North Korea. I don’t think it’s from the extremists of the Muslim world. The threat, as it has always been throughout history, is internal: It is from within. But I do not think it is from the American Communist party or extremists on the right. I hope to convince a few of you that the greatest single threat to our freedoms today comes from a group consisting largely of American housewives. They call themselves the Mothers Against Drunk Driving. MADD.

His actual arguments are contained in the rest of the article: http://www.duiblog.c...e-constitution/


OK, one more link to make y'all feel better. RF interference screws up breathalyzers!! Not that I'm advocating drunk driving, which I emphatically do not, but I do advocate dismantlement of bullshit revenue and Prohibitionist schemes and until that happens I look for workarounds to avoid being a victim of highway robbery (or the excuse to violate my rights further; "My machine says you're DUI, now let's see what's in the trunk! Oh it's legal and called a 'search incident to arrest' but we needed an excuse for the arrest, sucker!").

http://www.duiblog.c...y-interference/

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[Diacetyl-M]

Keeping drugs in food is a good idea for sure. I was pulled over once and thoroughly searched, but on an off chance I had put a sheet of acid and a few grams of weed in a sandwich lol (they were in a small ziplock obviously) The cop went through all my stuff, even opened the tuperware container the food was in....but he didn't take a bite of the sandwich or pull it appart. I'd never hid my drugs in food before, but man was my heart pounding and man am I grateful I decided too that time. Another time I was comming home from a rave with my girlfriend and we got searched. (This was quite a while ago) And we had about 20 E's and a bit of meth and coke, and my girlfriend hid it all in a couple tampons in her purse. If they had a dog it would be no good, but most self respecting cops wont bother looking inside a tampon lol.

[Getitosis]

i herd if u have a dog in your car and thay have a k9 unit the dog is 99% false positive so most of the time thay will not even bother if u have a dog with u just wanted to put that in ther have a great one best of luck to the travalers

but i will tell you that if they feel threatened by your dog in the car, they can and sometimes will shoot it.

just a few weeks ago i was traveling some pot and i took my 100+ pound Czech type German Shepard (the most beautiful dog in the world btw. looks really wild, big mane, nice mask, big teeth lol) with me and when the police officer pulled me over for not moving into the other lane when he had another person stopped, he come up to my car and said that if my dog snapped at him he would shoot her. my dog snaps at everyone, that is how she is trained, she is a killer to those she doesn't know or any type of person i have taught her to be vicious to (especially police), and there is no way honestly to control a dog completely, not this type of dog anyway. she has had extensive certified training, but with dominant un-domesticated type breeds of shepards they don't always listen or comply.

needless to say my best friend, my dog, almost got shot by some pussy police officer, and she was properly detained in my back seat and away from him enough that she wouldn't cause him any harm.

be careful when using such techniques as a way to mask trafficing drugs is all i'm saying. be smart and don't put your animal in danger if you care about it...

[TVCasualty]

How about a half dozen chihuahuas instead? As you get pulled over, give them a drink of the special water with the Adderall in it that you made and kept in the car for just this occasion and then turn all the little geeked-out crotch-stompers loose as the cop and his K-9 approach your car.

[seedlessstinky1]

:bow::bow::bow:

How about a half dozen chihuahuas instead? As you get pulled over, give them a drink of the special water with the Adderall in it that you made and kept in the car for just this occasion and then turn all the little geeked-out crotch-stompers loose as the cop and his K-9 approach your car.

Words of a genius. :nana:

Once again:bow:for the laugh and mental image....lol...:rasta:

[TVCasualty]

Heheheh, thanks. I'd pay to watch someone else really do that!

[RITTER]

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"Ritter"