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[doodaa man]

got some questions.
just got some mollies today. The person said it was pure MDMA...
t's been very long time since i have done any or seen it around.
Back in the late 80's in the lot at dead shows i got some. Powder form wrapped in paper. That stuff was pure white. also i had gotten it in tablet form. Various stamps, images on tablet. Now the stuff i found is off white brownish, kind of. It's in clear gel caps. Is MDMA off white or pure white ?
It has a tangy slightly bitter taste. Opened one cap to taste ! I can't remember how back in the day it tasted when we did lines of it !
So besides sending it to a lab to get tested and or doing one , how can i be sure it really is MDMA/molly , X ?
Also anything i should be careful about doing MDMA ? What should i not mix it with ? Like say moa inhibitors ? Syc meds , opiates etc ?
From what i remember it is relatively safe except doing it too often and too much of it at once...
Any incite will be welcomed.
Thank you !
D man

Edited by TastyBeverage, 27 August 2009 - 05:15 PM.
removed price/quantity info

[weiliicoyote]

Most of the good mdma I see going around my area and at shows and whatnot is either off white powder in a gel cap, or pressed pills (~50%molly/50%filler)
Either way it will have a very distinct taste and smell (once you know it you will never forget it)
There is really no way to know how pure or what is in it without having it tested or knowing the "chemist".
Dont take molly with any maoi, and if you are on an SSRI (like prozac) I wouldn't suggest taking it, the effects will be diminished ime.

[prism]

Good Molly is a shardlike pinkish/white/yellowish crystaline powder. It has an extremely bitter taste and sometimes smells like black licorice or rootbeer. I suggest getting a Marqui test kit. It works much like a PH tester kit for plants but it changes colors for different substances.

Be aware that Piperzines are legal in Canada and they are an aweful ride. They were developed as a dewormer for cattle and they fuck you up bad. Like drinking Listerine spiked with DXM after spinning in circles for an hour. Nasty buzz with a strung out Nausea that's hard to explain and no sleep for 24 hrs. They have a taste similar to putting a 9 Volt Battery on your tongue. Don't eat em if they have that signature 9 volt taste... No fun at all. Plus they take for ever to kick in and you might eat 2-3 of them thinking you got screwed with bunk pills then BLAM!!! Piperzine city!! 3 hrs in and you wish you had never heard of extacy...

So much of that crap around I wont eat any "extacy" anymore unless I test it.

Good luck

[Beano]

Be sure to have water handy, you will heat up. Depending on what sort of a dose one decides to take I recommend having something to chew on, jaw clenching is a bitch.
Less is generally better than more. The morning after will be a little crappy, have plenty of fresh fruit and easy to eat food in the fridge. I like to eat plenty of brain friendly foods the day before. Ie, avocados, oily fish, nuts, ect.

It has been swims experience that MDMA will easily overpower any drug mixed with it. He recalls a night of LSD and MDMA where Mollly was definitely dominating over his good friend, Alice. In retrospect it was sort of a waste of fine blotter.
I cant say i've heard of any no-go mixes. I, personally, wouldn't recommend any sort of an upper while rolling. Your heart will thank you. hahaha

If you are going to be doing it with someone make sure you are comfortable with that person and they realize what will happen.. There is a good chance the 'love' vibe will be VERY present.. I recall being the 'DJ' at my good friends place and having my girlfriend and some of her friends randomly walk up to me to make out.. (ahh, good times) We all knew each other and knew things like this would most likely occur.

As far as quality goes take a good look at the crystals (a jewelers glass works nicely), they should be somewhat visible, bigger the better. A slight yellow tinge is often noticeable. Any sort of fine powdery substances, or anything that just doesn't look like the rest of whats in your bag/cap is most likely a cutting agent. Commonly coffee whitener or w/e. A very bitter taste will be noticeable. I do not really recommend mixing the powder with OJ and drinking it.. guhuhhh.. :p

Hope all that somewhat helped.. i really need to work on my paragraph constructing skills.

[weed4all]

So much of that crap around I wont eat any "extacy" anymore unless I test it.

wow man you took the words right outta my mouth... i remember back in the day when you never needed to test shit, i never had a bad roll once until a few years ago and then all of a sudden it was like there was no more e anywhere, just all this bunk. thats why i stopped wasting my money, although as of lately ive actually ran across a few good pressies here and there. mabey it will be good again sometime in the future? :eusa_pray

[weeeeeee]

FOAF off white hopefully no speckles goooo d source up north FOAF has to cut sometimes for soem people its a like very very very very lite tann ish for FOAF

[doodaa man]

Thanks people ! All has helped and just to get a head on things. read things on erowid and dance safe to understand things better. Yea , it's from a good source. city rave kid and he has known said source for long time . So i think it is the real deal. no time to test since me and the misses will dose up tomorrow night ! So the love will be expected ! and i got some fruit and good brain food on the menue for tonight and lunch tomorrow. It just has been a long time since i have had any ! Yea this stuff is bitter, i can't say how it smells cause my sniffer ain't so good !
anyhoo ! I will report back how the ride was !
Thanks again people !
As usual this plsce is spot on ! I always come hear first the look elsewear for info.
I like to hear it from the horse's mouth !
Late ! Peace , out !
D man

[weeeeeee]

if it it burns pretty bad when snorted ........:heartbeat then your in ther like swimwear:) have fun buddy

its BURNS if its sugary then no good jus a heADS UP if that s the path you choose

[Beano]

Do you and the misses have a game plan, so to speak? Any cool lights, lasers, and fog machines? Any electronica?

Or will it be a lovey dovey night?

Just curious
:teeth:

[doodaa man]

Well, have not thought that far ! But i do have fog machine, lights,strobe,music, all sorts of course ! No mj though, damn..... Now you got my mind going ! I guess i'll have to get the house in order ! LOL I do have led motion lights, black lights and posters..... oh shit i even have dayglo body paint ! Shit some plastic on the floor and we have a party ! Damn.......... me and the ol'lady just might have some fun ! shit i dident even consider the options Beano, thanks for the forsight. I got some old school ace of base,anigma,crystal method and other electronica, dead of course,phish.... But she is heavy metal all the way. But she'll listen to what i do.
Well when i get home from work i got more work to do before we dose.
Thanks again !
Late

[Beano]

Speaking from experience its sort of a good idea to set the party up in the basement and have the upstairs act as a sort of chill out zone. Comfy couches, blankets, tea, cookies, Bach.. lol.

Just sayin.

At any rate have fun and stay hydrated.

[doodaa man]

Yea i'm an old head so........
And got plenty of h2o gater stuff........
thanks for the good vibes.
will report on the other side !

[EmmisonJ]

the only way to be sure it's mdma (or similar) is to do sacrifice a small bit of powder to a test and even then you're not 100% sure
h**p://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_faq_testing_kits.shtml

pure mdma hcl is bright white, it is not pinkish or yellowish as that is a sign of impurities. a slight tinge of yellow is also an impurity, it could be just a slight excess of hcl (no biggie) or could be unreacted mdp-2-p in the crystal matrix. a slight excess of hcl is fine but it will turn the mdma brown over time (many months) if that's the case and catalyze decomposition quicker than if it were not present. any reddish/pinkish color could be attributed most likely to residual methylamine which was solvated along with the freebase and got trapped within the crystal matrix upon formation. another possibility is that if they had red mdp-2-p it is due to a by-product of the p-benzoquinone wacker as benzoquinone oxidizes the safrole it is reduced to hydroquinone which is a reddish color (pure hydroquinone is white/clear crystals but in this particular reaction it is certainly not pure because it is a by-product of benzoquinone, this is why the benzo wacker solution always takes on a reddish hue as oxidation begins), this red carries over to the ketone, mdp-2-p. if the mdp-2-p is not distilled then it's possible this red mdp-2-p (should be clearish or most likely a few varying shades of yellow depending on distillation technique) can carry over to the final product if no purification methods are performed in the work-up. either way it's a scary thought and is probably a local performing medium or small scale synthesis as any chemist should be vacuum distilling the olefin, ketone, and freebase, 3 very important compounds.

as far as crystalline appearance, bigger is not necessarily better. it being crystalline or not just depends on the crystallization method used, but typically with mdma hcl you actually want soft, fluffy white powder and not rock hard crystals. rock hard crystals means crystallization may have taken place too quickly and has a greater likelihood of having trapped impurities within the crystal matrix. mdma forms "crunchy" crystals when the temperatures fluctuate too quickly during recrystallization. so that's typically why you want to look for the soft, fluffy powder. that's not a rule that's set in stone, but it's a decent indicator based on popular methods of crystallization. recrystallized mdma will always be more "crunchy" and crystalline than non-recrystallized mdma but that doesn't say anything about purity. typically you want to carefully vac distill the freebase then crystallize via titration in anhydrous IPA with some anhydrous acetone to crash out the crystals with much higher purity than undistilled mdma hcl that has been recrystallized.

pure mdma hcl has NO smell. if it smells like root beer then that is trace amounts of unreacted safrole present with the mdma still. if it smells like fish then that's unreacted methylamine and i would steer VERY clear of it, for it to have methylamine smell still then it probably has trace Hg in it too if it was reduced via Al/Hg. so yeah, never eat mdma that smells like tuna/ammonia lol

it will taste bitter as all hell, like many other substances do and you will notice that molly will taste different than pressed tabs. the binders present in pressed tabs change the taste of the pill. you guys know what i mean there ;)

sorry for the long post

[doodaa man]

Damn EJ, your too smart to be on my post ! Just kiddin... But damn. When i need a chemist i'll look you up bro. U know ur shit ! U got my head spin'in.....
Yea i opened up a cap again. Very fluffy,soft no crystal at all as far i can tell. It smears between fingers/. lightly off white and bitter . I can't smell worth shit any way. Not me, my nose ! But hell yea thats for the input. Also ordered a test kit for the rest of the caps. Since i could not only get two ! I go big or go home !
Thanks again. I'll take a close up pic of the powder and post. wel MFOAF will do that!
Thanks again !

[prism]

Damn EJ, your too smart to be on my post ! Just kiddin... But damn. When i need a chemist i'll look you up bro. U know ur shit ! U got my head spin'in.....
Yea i opened up a cap again. Very fluffy,soft no crystal at all as far i can tell. It smears between fingers/. lightly off white and bitter . I can't smell worth shit any way. Not me, my nose ! But hell yea thats for the input. Also ordered a test kit for the rest of the caps. Since i could not only get two ! I go big or go home !
Thanks again. I'll take a close up pic of the powder and post. wel MFOAF will do that!
Thanks again !

Thats a great Idea, Id like to see the test results too if you get a tester. Might be helpful for people to see the process of testing and the results. Like a tek if you will... :lol:

[EmmisonJ]

molly typically isn't cut, if it is then you're dealing with some real @$$holes. all the powder should be the same shade and consistency. if that's the case and you verify it is indeed mdma either by bio-assaying it or a test (cuz you can never tell by looking at it, but once you know what it is you can use your senses to tell just how crude or pure it may be approximately), then you have some nice stuff there. enjoy it :thumbup:

[dead_diver]

I live in what used to be considered the E capitol of the USA (according to the DEA). Now all the E in my area is complete bunk and if someone tries to sell it to me I just want to kick their ass 'cause I know they are trying to rip me off. It's a sick, sad world :(

[EmmisonJ]

I live in what used to be considered the E capitol of the USA (according to the DEA). Now all the E in my area is complete bunk and if someone tries to sell it to me I just want to kick their ass 'cause I know they are trying to rip me off. It's a sick, sad world :(

too true, it's like that everywhere now it seems. even the UK and europe are getting more bunk garbage than anything. "ecstasy" now means something entirely different. when i took it, it meant you have some f'ing MDMA in a pill/cap. now it means "a cocktail of party drugs" with maybe trace amounts of MDMA at best. MDMA is a relatively safe drug, but the crap going around these days is dangerous at best

[mullugh]

Off white, Tasted like shit, best MDMA comes in crystal form. The larger the crystals the better I have found. I am suspicious if it is powder. Why crush it to powder unless you intend to cut it?

Its off the map in the UK at the moment due to recent restrictions on the Saffras Tree in the east.

[EmmisonJ]

Off white, Tasted like shit, best MDMA comes in crystal form. The larger the crystals the better I have found. I am suspicious if it is powder. Why crush it to powder unless you intend to cut it?

Its off the map in the UK at the moment due to recent restrictions on the Saffras Tree in the east.

you must be referring to the ocotea cymbarum harvesting in Brazil however is under fire as of very recently because of devastating the rainforests and also Brazil is catching political fire for "fueling the illicit MDMA market" (which they were indeed doing) by exporting so much of it. ocotea cymbarum is must higher in safrole than North American sassafras albidum, primarily due to no eugenol presence. so you're right, the ocotea cymbarum essential oil is getting harder to find and it is indeed the preferred starting point for safrole because it can be upwards of >90% safrole in some cases (no 2 trees are the same this number fluctuates but point is it's the highest safrole content of any known EO and was in heavy production, they're stopping that now).

and no, crystal form has nothing to do with purity of MDMA HCl, i promise. just because the stuff hanging around your area is excellent quality and is in that form does not mean that's a standard. it just means all the molly in your area is probably coming from the same chemist(s) using the same procedure. as i stated above, distilling the freebase will guarantee a product of much higher purity than crystallization technique alone. the crystallization technique only has a lot to do with purity if the freebase was not distilled which it should be, always. therefore, crystal appearance (or lack of one) is entirely irrelevant if you don't already know the exact work-up that was followed post-reductive amination.