Whatcha's Easy MHRB STB Extraction, Step by Step Pictorial
Posted 10 June 2010 - 01:33 PM
Posted 10 June 2010 - 01:56 PM
Posted 10 June 2010 - 04:33 PM
I just wanted to thank Whatchamacallit for this great thread. It has helped many people to enlighten themselves. Thanks for all your many contributions and tips. May your memory go down in topia history.
Posted 11 June 2010 - 03:35 AM
Posted 11 June 2010 - 03:51 AM
So you guys think Bestine will work better than Naphtha - that is great info. Will it work the same? In other words, follow Whatcha's extraction entirely, and do a freeze precip just subbing Bestine for Naphtha?
i dont think this is correct. the reason bestine is used is because it crashes out the dmt better. this means it doesnt hold dmt well. the principle of re-x is that the yellow oils will drop out and the clean dmt will be suspended in the bestine to be freeze precipd (it only takes a couple hours vs 24-48 for naptha) or slow evapd.
so im sure itll work but i doubt youll get the sort of yield whatchas tek accomplishes.
you did a lot for us buddy and we respect you for that and for your friendship. your knowledge and expertise in addition to your general presence will be missed.
EDIT: it appears im wrong. you wont get full spectrum but it could be the fast route to cleaner dmt via stb... if you can afford that much heptane.
Heptane(bestine) Vs Naptha @ the nexus.
Edited by TaterBoard, 11 June 2010 - 03:59 AM.
Posted 11 June 2010 - 11:06 PM
Edited by dmtsymphony, 11 June 2010 - 11:23 PM.
Posted 11 June 2010 - 11:28 PM
SWIM is wondering what to attribute all of this too. Do some of you prefer your spice as it is after the initial extraction? SWIM thinks he definitely prefers his spice the way it was. The only thing SWIM is thinking may have contributed to the awful taste of the spice is maybe the Naphtha didn't dry entirely? If that is the case, is SWIM going to die of cancer now for smoking the spice before the Naphtha had entirely dried?
Edited by dmtsymphony, 11 June 2010 - 11:33 PM.
Posted 20 June 2010 - 11:24 PM
SWIM is in mid extract using this tek with hexane as a solvent. SWIM has run into some problems separating the hexane solvent layer, and was wondering if he should have just used naptha, as the tek instructed. SWIM read varying accounts stating that hexane is an excellent solvent for DMT extraction and thus decided to go with it. SWIM has been using ~500 g per jug versus 454 g (1 lb.) described in the tek.
During the first pull, SWIM realized that using a hot water bath was not allowing the solvent layer to separate, so he took it out of water to separate at room temperature. However, after ~90 minutes, all of the solvent had yet to separate out. SWIM went ahead and removed the solvent layer using a separatory funnel anyways. After this, SWIM added 8 tbls. of pellet NaOH, 150 mL dH20, and ¾ cup of non-iodized sea salt (to make the water layer more polar to facilitate separation) to each jug.
SWIM is currently in process with the second pull and was wondering if anybody had any suggestions. Is hexane a good solvent for this tek?
Also, SWIM is having trouble pouring off the solvent layer so efficiently, as seen in the pictures for this tek. The surface area of the gallon water jug seems too large to efficiently pour off the solvent layer without including large amounts of MHRB/base water sludge. Any suggestions for removing the solvent layer more efficiently besides just using a glass turkey baster?
And lastly, has anybody had any trials using potassium hydroxide instead of sodium hydroxide for DMT extraction? I imagine KOH would work well, but KOH is slightly soluble in some organic solvents, and thus may leave higher residual traces in the solvent.
Any and all help or advice would be greatly appreciated!
Edited by bluelotuschild, 21 June 2010 - 01:18 AM.
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 01:39 AM
Posted 21 June 2010 - 04:02 PM
Posted 21 June 2010 - 06:57 PM
Hexane holds more DMT, heptane only holds it when warm/hot. If it's taking a long time to separate, one can add more lye, but if they used the proper ratios, then there should be no need. Mixing it more gentle, rather than shaking it hard can help allow separation faster, too. Heat will speed up separation, but pull a bit more impurities.
For pouring off the solvent, one can use an intermediate container to pour it in, and the basic sludge will be on the bottom, often sticks, even. So the majority can be poured into a new jug, then that jug can be poured into a fresh one, leaving behind the little bit of sludge.
Also the little bit of sludge, can be washed out with the polar wash in the end, as long as one is careful and doesn't actually pour bark chunks into the new container. Various people have explained their methods throughout this thread. If none of them work for you, you should probably just practice a bit..
Posted 21 June 2010 - 07:47 PM
SWIM was curious if the hexane should be evaporated regardless of yielded product after freeze precip, as there may be a good amount of final product still left in the hexane that did not precip out?
Posted 21 June 2010 - 08:10 PM
Posted 22 June 2010 - 11:56 AM
SWIM previously did a trial run with ~100 g of the same MHRB used, and pulled a significant amount of product out via an evaporation process (instead of freeze precip), so he thinks there is more product remaining in the hexane solvent from the current ~1000 g batch.
Posted 23 June 2010 - 05:36 PM
SWIM thought perhaps that the use of hexane may not have been as beneficial with this tek, but SWIM doesn't think that would reduce yield by a large amount. If pure hexane truly holds more DMT than naptha, then it should be an ideal solvent, just maybe not for this particular process.
Another source of error was the amount of base used. At first, SWIM thought he did not use enough base, as this tek suggests the use of 1:1 weight ratio of NaOH to MHRB, and swim thought he was using ~1000 g MHRB to ~900 g NaOH. But then SWIM realized he was in fact using ~900 g MHRB and that the base ratio was correct. In fact, SWIM used more than 900 g of base: 16 more tbls. pellet NaOH was added after the first pull (though SWIM isn't sure how much that 16 tbls. weighed).
The only other thing SWIM did differently from this tek was adding non-iodized sea salt (no anti-caking agents added either) to make the water layer more polar. SWIM is unsure if this could have caused a lower yield or not.
The simple answer is that the MHRB did not contain as much alkaloids as SWIM expected, but he is still skeptical. Anybody have any thoughts?
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Posted 23 June 2010 - 11:42 PM
Posted 24 June 2010 - 08:13 AM
I have a question for people. Is it ok if the Naphtha pulls are clear, and not yellow, or barely yellow? SWIMS most recent extraction has much clearer pulls than last time. Using Toads bark.
As long as you used enough base in the process and gave the MHRB time to react with the base, you should be fine. I don't think a less tinted color will tell you anything about the DMT content you are pulling, though I may be wrong in that assumption. Some of SWIM's pulls were fairly clear using pure hexane.
If anything, one would think a clearer colored solvent pulled from the mix would be a good sign that you were not pulling many impurities with the solvent.