Just to add a little note above. I looked over my notes, and I forgot to add two things. (1) I added a rounded teaspoon per 8 cups, not an even one. And I had added 2 cups of oyster shell per 8 cups of peat. If you don't add the oyster shell, you might want to up the hydrated lime a little to closer to 1/4th teaspoon per cup.
should I case these pans? [lime]
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, Jan 29 2006 10:43 PM
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Posted 13 February 2006 - 09:41 PM
python, your observations were exactly like what waylitjim saw. He actually got pinning with the trays covered once and then opened up. My next trays will have very little fresh air until I see pins. Only then will I open up. Another good reason for that is because air exchange, even at 98% RH, tends to dry things out, and when it dries out, you are doomed. Even if you rehydrate, the pins will form but won't grow. You want that substrate to be primed with moisture when the pins arrive so you can drop to 85%-90% without worrying about drying out. That's especially true since you can't really mist these suckers except with ultrasonic which gets water all over the walls and drives up the RH like crazy in a closed container, even if run for minutes.
My plan for the next trays is a multi-step approach:
1) Casings will be incubated with a few holes in syran wrap over ambient temperature water (about 75F) for 3 days. No heating in this stage as the trays heat themselves. This stage helps protect the casing from a potential mold infection while it is colonized.
2) Remove the syran wrap, and place trays in fruiting chamber over water. Measuring core of trays, maintain core temperature of 78F to 82F. Ultrasonic misting may be required at the start of this stage until the casing looks to be very moist. No air will be introduced after the ultrasonic except via diffusion through the side holes in the chamber. The warm water under will keep the environment pegged at 100% RH. This will be maintained for 7 days. This stage is to allow the mycelium to even better penetrate the casing and get ready to pin. By the end of 7 days, the trays should be a the brink of pinning.
3) The ultrasonic may be used again the first day to mist up the casing to near saturation. Once the casing is moist, the heated water will be covered with vinyl plastic, and the cool mist system will be switched on to introduce lots of fresh air and humidity. RH will be maintained at around 100% until I see pins. Core temperatures will be kept at 78F to 82F by adjusting the water temperature under the plastic.
4) When I see pins (expected in less than 4 days), the RH will be dropped to around 90%. Core temperatures will be maintained at around 78F to 80F.
Each of these steps is based on both research from those who have great pinsets with pan cyans and my own experience with Ausi pan cyans. I'll be covering the results in my log.
PS - I took my first trip on these mushrooms last night. I wasn't expecting a particularly great trip since the Ausi pan cyans gave me a very speedy, rough high. I could not have been further from the truth. I made a cup of tea with about 0.7 grams of dried pins. I strained off the pins and sipped the tea for about 10 minutes until it was gone. The trip was about the most euphoric trip I have ever had and there was no speedy effect except at the very beginning with the come up. I became so happy at the peak it was ridiculous. I was crying tears of joy for about an hour and in pure euphoria as I listened so some of my favorite tunes and looked at some burningman artwork. The whole trip was awesome! I had incredible mental clarity and visuals were everywhere. I went outside for a happy walk and the entire sidewalk looked like a fractal! I cannot recommend this strain enough. Keep trying until you get them to grow. Even if you just get pins, snatch those pins off and dry those suckers! They are worth the effort!
My plan for the next trays is a multi-step approach:
1) Casings will be incubated with a few holes in syran wrap over ambient temperature water (about 75F) for 3 days. No heating in this stage as the trays heat themselves. This stage helps protect the casing from a potential mold infection while it is colonized.
2) Remove the syran wrap, and place trays in fruiting chamber over water. Measuring core of trays, maintain core temperature of 78F to 82F. Ultrasonic misting may be required at the start of this stage until the casing looks to be very moist. No air will be introduced after the ultrasonic except via diffusion through the side holes in the chamber. The warm water under will keep the environment pegged at 100% RH. This will be maintained for 7 days. This stage is to allow the mycelium to even better penetrate the casing and get ready to pin. By the end of 7 days, the trays should be a the brink of pinning.
3) The ultrasonic may be used again the first day to mist up the casing to near saturation. Once the casing is moist, the heated water will be covered with vinyl plastic, and the cool mist system will be switched on to introduce lots of fresh air and humidity. RH will be maintained at around 100% until I see pins. Core temperatures will be kept at 78F to 82F by adjusting the water temperature under the plastic.
4) When I see pins (expected in less than 4 days), the RH will be dropped to around 90%. Core temperatures will be maintained at around 78F to 80F.
Each of these steps is based on both research from those who have great pinsets with pan cyans and my own experience with Ausi pan cyans. I'll be covering the results in my log.
PS - I took my first trip on these mushrooms last night. I wasn't expecting a particularly great trip since the Ausi pan cyans gave me a very speedy, rough high. I could not have been further from the truth. I made a cup of tea with about 0.7 grams of dried pins. I strained off the pins and sipped the tea for about 10 minutes until it was gone. The trip was about the most euphoric trip I have ever had and there was no speedy effect except at the very beginning with the come up. I became so happy at the peak it was ridiculous. I was crying tears of joy for about an hour and in pure euphoria as I listened so some of my favorite tunes and looked at some burningman artwork. The whole trip was awesome! I had incredible mental clarity and visuals were everywhere. I went outside for a happy walk and the entire sidewalk looked like a fractal! I cannot recommend this strain enough. Keep trying until you get them to grow. Even if you just get pins, snatch those pins off and dry those suckers! They are worth the effort!
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Posted 16 February 2006 - 05:26 PM
So I threw out the pans yesterday.
They just sat there mocking me :(
I'm begining to think that fruiting may be strain related. My other attempt produced some fruits and they grew very quickly.
This batch contamed almost entirely and seemed a bit sickly overall.
This might explain why folks are having so much difficulty getting them to fruit. Pans just need to be more domesticated. Much like how the cubie has been heavely cultivated for years and non-fruiting strains removed from the gene pool and heavy fruiters passed around.
They just sat there mocking me :(
I'm begining to think that fruiting may be strain related. My other attempt produced some fruits and they grew very quickly.
This batch contamed almost entirely and seemed a bit sickly overall.
This might explain why folks are having so much difficulty getting them to fruit. Pans just need to be more domesticated. Much like how the cubie has been heavely cultivated for years and non-fruiting strains removed from the gene pool and heavy fruiters passed around.
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Posted 16 February 2006 - 06:03 PM
sorry to hear that chill...I'm sure they will get easier down the road -we certainly have plenty peeps trying to figure em out...
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Posted 16 February 2006 - 09:10 PM
chill, try the viet pan cyan. I found it more robust than either goliath or ausi. The growth is fantastic and the fruits are divine.
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Posted 17 February 2006 - 02:16 AM
Hi 'Helix,
Ironically enough that was a Viet Pan AND the one time it did fruit it was a goliath print.
Go figure.
I thought I had the numbers correct. So have a lot of other people from what I have read. The only one who has had consistent success is WLJ (that I know of) and he uses a greenhouse.
It would be interesting if he could do two back to back grows using TIT or some such.
Ironically enough that was a Viet Pan AND the one time it did fruit it was a goliath print.
Go figure.
I thought I had the numbers correct. So have a lot of other people from what I have read. The only one who has had consistent success is WLJ (that I know of) and he uses a greenhouse.
It would be interesting if he could do two back to back grows using TIT or some such.
chill, try the viet pan cyan. I found it more robust than either goliath or ausi. The growth is fantastic and the fruits are divine.
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Posted 17 February 2006 - 02:41 AM
There are a few themes which are being repeated over and over by those who have the greatest pin sets. For example it seems heat from under is almost a requirement for ambient temperatures falling below 75F because if the trays falls below a certain temperature in the low 70s they seem to stall out. Those with the most impressive success are droping humidity to 90% or so during the pin development and have high air turn over at least immediately prior to pinning and during fruit development.
I am on my second try with viets. The first trays produced some pins, but the mycelium bed was too weak to grow them. This time I am using a modified setup that is close to a TIT except I can expose the water or cover it at will. My trays are explosively colonizing the casing just like the first time (day 2 and the casing is nearly fully colonized), but this time I think I got it down. I will make the write up with my harvest pictures of the viets in about a week.
I am on my second try with viets. The first trays produced some pins, but the mycelium bed was too weak to grow them. This time I am using a modified setup that is close to a TIT except I can expose the water or cover it at will. My trays are explosively colonizing the casing just like the first time (day 2 and the casing is nearly fully colonized), but this time I think I got it down. I will make the write up with my harvest pictures of the viets in about a week.
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Posted 18 February 2006 - 01:25 PM
So I threw out the pans yesterday.
They just sat there mocking me :(
I'm begining to think that fruiting may be strain related. My other attempt produced some fruits and they grew very quickly.
This batch contamed almost entirely and seemed a bit sickly overall.
This might explain why folks are having so much difficulty getting them to fruit. Pans just need to be more domesticated. Much like how the cubie has been heavely cultivated for years and non-fruiting strains removed from the gene pool and heavy fruiters passed around.
bummer
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