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Posted 18 February 2006 - 11:01 PM

It's really sad. The victims in this mess are truly innocent. What a crock of shit excuse for murder.

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 07:12 AM

"One group threw a tire around a man, poured gas on him and set him ablaze."
Thats fucked up, but there has to be a pun about "Stop, Drop & Roll" in there somewhere.

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 12:22 PM

JAKARTA, Indonesia - Hundreds of Muslims protesting caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad tried to storm the U.S. Embassy on Sunday, smashing the windows of a guard post but failing to push through the gates. Several people were injured
Pakistani security forces, meanwhile, sealed off the capital of Islamabad to block a planned mass demonstration and fired tear gas and gunshots to chase off protesters. In Turkey, tens of thousands gathered in Istanbul chanting slogans against Denmark, Israel and the United States.
Pakistani Muslims protesting in the southern city of Sukkur ransacked and burned a church Sunday after hearing accusations that a Christian man had burned pages of the Quran, Islam's holy book.

In Jakarta, about 400 people marched to the heavily fortified U.S. mission in the center of the city, behind a banner reading "We are ready to attack the enemies of the Prophet."

Protesters throwing stones and brandishing wooden staves tried to break through the gates. They set fire to U.S. flags and a poster of President Bush and smashed the windows of a guard outpost before dispersing after a few minutes.
n Pakistan, where protests last week left five people dead, police put up roadblocks around Islamabad to keep people from entering the capital for a planned mass protest called by a coalition of six hard-line Islamic parties, the Mutahida Majlis-e-Amal — United Action Forum.

Authorities also detained several lawmakers and Islamic leaders during raids in three cities and announced they would arrest anyone joining a gathering of more than five people to prevent the demonstration.

Opposition leader Maulana Fazlur Rahman, a senior figure in the Islamic coalition, was eventually given permission to lead a small rally through a square in the city center. The protesters chanted "God is great!" and "Any friend of America is a traitor."

But when about 100 other protesters tried to reach the square, officers fired tear gas and at least one gunshot to chase them off. More gunshots were heard later in the city, but it wasn't clear who fired them. At least two policemen were injured, one bleeding from the head. Several demonstrators also were hurt.

A crowd of 700 people, some throwing stones at police, tried to march toward Islamabad's heavily guarded diplomatic enclave about 1.3 miles from the square but with blocked by troops in armored personnel carriers.

Police also blocked about 1,500 protesters from reaching Islamabad from the city of Peshawar by putting shipping containers and sandbags on a bridge along a highway leading to the capital, said Mohammed Iqbal, a key member of the religious alliance.

Elsewhere in Pakistan, about 600 people staged a protest in Chaman, a town near the Afghan border, burning Danish flags and an effigy of the Danish prime minister.

Such protests prompted Denmark on Sunday to temporarily recall its ambassador to Pakistan, Bent Wigotski, because it was impossible for him "to perform his job duties during the present circumstances," the Danish Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 06:14 PM

This is getting to be mind boggling.
I found out today that those cartoons were published on september 30th of last year.
Which makes me wonder why they waited till NOW to start rioting.

I'm getting less and less inclined to be a good liberal(gah) and turn the other cheek. I'm getting to be of the opinion that if they are going to wage war on us anyway, we might as well go bring them some democracy for their trouble.
We could use something to boost enlistment a bit, 10% of the defense budget for combat pay comes to mind. They aren't getting paid enough for getting shot at imo.

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 11:33 PM

I found out today that those cartoons were published on september 30th of last year.
Which makes me wonder why they waited till NOW to start rioting.

Yup, read that too. Makes me wonder who thinks they can benefit by fanning the flames of a culture war. And why the protests around US facilities? This time, it really wasn't us! Still, I think careful camera angles have a lot to do with these 'mass' protests; in some images it looked to me like the 'crowd' being shown was only 10 people deep or so. Others were certainly bigger, but it sure feels to me like something being artificially pumped up. Imagine how carefully-selected camera angles depicting the LA riots a few years back might have looked on foreign TV...and any protest here in the US (and abroad) always has two vastly different crowd-size estimates; one from the police and one from the organizers. It only takes a few guys (or even one) to throw some molotov cocktails and torch a building, which plays like total anarchy on TV with the right Director.

Now even if a protest had 10000 pissed off muslims, that's still hardly a consensus among the faithful.

Couldn't the cartoonist just say it was a drawing of a Mohammed, not the Mohammed? Would that make everybody feel better? I mean, there are lots and lots of Mohammeds in the world, could've been any of 'em, right? Or would the implications of that statement cause even more anger?

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Posted 20 February 2006 - 12:35 PM

I doubt that'd go over real well... Kinda like telling christians that Jesus has already returned! He's in mexico, with a bunch of jesus clones!

Aside from that, i can see 'em getting all pissed off at our "insulting muslims" by assuming anyone with that name is a terrorist.

Thats an interesting note on the camera angles, i'm going to have to check that out.

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Posted 20 February 2006 - 04:02 PM

nuke mecca

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Posted 20 February 2006 - 05:24 PM

talk about kicking a hornet's nest...
if we drop 1 nuke
we had better go ahead and drop many more.

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 07:14 PM

Iran renames danish pastries

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - Iranians love Danish pastries, but now when they look for the flaky dessert at the bakery they have to ask for "Roses of the Prophet Muhammad."

Bakeries across the capital were covering up their ads for danish pastries Thursday after the confectioners union ordered the name change in retaliation for cartoons of Islam's revered Prophet first published in a Danish newspaper.

The move was reminiscent of a decision by the US House of Representatives in 2004 to rename french fries as "freedom fries" after France refused to back the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

"Given the insults by Danish newspapers against the prophet, as of now the name of Danish pastries will give way to Rose of Mohammad' pastries," the confectioners union said in its order.

"This is a punishment for those who started misusing freedom of expression to insult the sanctities of Islam," said Ahmad Mahmoudi, a cake-shop owner in northern Tehran.

One of Tehran's most popular bakeries, named Danish Patries, covered up the word Danish on its sign with a black banner emblazoned Oh Hussein, a reference to a martyred saint of Shiite Islam. The banner is a traditional sign of mourning.

The shop owner refused to speak, reluctant to be drawn into discussion over the issue.

In Zartosht street in central Tehran, cake shop owner Mahdi Pedari didn't cover up the words "danish pastries" on his menu, but put the new name next to it.

"I did so just to inform my customers that Rose of Mohammad is the new name for danish pastries," he said.

Some customers took immediately to the new name. But others asked for "roses of Muhammad" - "gul-e-muhammadi" in Farsi - with a laugh or even with sarcasm, apparently unenthused about the new form of protest.

"I just want the sweet pastries. I have nothing to do with the name," housewife Zohreh Masoumi told the man at the counter in one shop.

Iranians are big sweets eaters, often buying candies and pastries to bring to parties. While there are many types of Iranian-style sweets, danish patries - flaky pastry with fruit or chocolate between the layers - are extremely popular.

The pastries are domestically baked, not imported. Iran has cut all commercial ties with Denmark.

The cartoons, first published in Denmark in September then reprinted by other western newspapers over the last month as a support for freedom of expression - have sparked sometimes violent protests in Iran as well as demonstrations across the Islamic world, where they were seen as an insult to the Prophet.

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 07:16 PM

wonder if they plan to give up all that danish porn too...?

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Posted 23 February 2006 - 02:38 AM

Reminds me of Freedom Fries...

"I just want the sweet pastries. I have nothing to do with the name," housewife Zohreh Masoumi told the man at the counter in one shop.


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Posted 11 March 2006 - 09:46 AM

kinda funny how the arabic world felt justified
in boycotting danish products over a cartoon
but the same folks cannot understand why
we don't want them running our ports.

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Posted 11 March 2006 - 11:10 AM

Somehow i doubt they'd want us running their ports either :P

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Posted 11 March 2006 - 12:43 PM

Heh, a danish by any other name...

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Posted 11 March 2006 - 06:30 PM

I wonder what the Islamic view (punishment) is for growing certain shrooms. Do they chop off your caps?:eusa_thin

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 11:03 PM

Iran to publish Holocaust cartoons
From: Agence France-Presse From correspondents in Tehran
February 07, 2006
IRAN'S largest selling newspaper announced today it was holding a contest on cartoons of the Holocaust in response to the publishing in European papers of caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed.

"It will be an international cartoon contest about the Holocaust," said Farid Mortazavi, the graphics editor for Hamshahri newspaper - which is published by Teheran's conservative municipality.
He said the plan was to turn the tables on the assertion that newspapers can print offensive material in the name of freedom of expression.

"The Western papers printed these sacrilegious cartoons on the pretext of freedom of expression, so let's see if they mean what they say and also print these Holocaust cartoons," he said.

Iran's fiercely anti-Israeli regime is supportive of so-called Holocaust revisionist historians, who maintain the systematic slaughter by the Nazis of mainland Europe's Jews as well as other groups during World War II has been either invented or exaggerated.

Iran's hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad prompted international anger when he dismissed the systematic slaughter by the Nazis of mainland Europe's Jews as a "myth" used to justify the creation of Israel.

Mr Mortazavi said tomorrow's edition of the paper will invite cartoonists to enter the competition, with "private individuals" offering gold coins to the best 12 artists - the same number of cartoons that appeared in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten.
Last week, the Iranian foreign ministry also invited British Prime Minister Tony Blair to Teheran to take part in a planned conference on the Holocaust, even though the idea has been branded by Mr Blair as "shocking, ridiculous, stupid".

Mr Blair also said Mr Ahmadinejad "should come and see the evidence of the Holocaust himself in the countries of Europe", to which Iran responded by saying it was willing to send a team of "independent investigators".

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 12:08 AM

Holocaust cartoons, go ahead. I still am willing to wager that nobody gets killed over it. How 'bout you?

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 09:16 AM

Holocaust cartoon contest draws 700 entries


TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - An Iranian newspaper's contest for Holocaust-related cartoons has drawn some 700 entries from 200 people, with some drawings mocking the Second World War slaughter: One entry shows Jews going into a gas pipeline.

Most contest entrants are Iranian, but six are Americans and a few cartoons have been submitted from as far away as Indonesia and Brazil, according to the Hamshahri newspaper. A few of the drawings have been posted online.

Hamshahri began the contest last month as a test of the West's readiness to print cartoons about the Nazi killing of six million Jews in the Second World War. The contest, which runs through May 15, comes in response to caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad that sparked protests across much of the Muslim world.

One submission reflects the opinion of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who drew international outrage last year when he said the Holocaust was a myth.

The cartoon, by Iranian Firouzeh Mozafari, shows a circle of nine Jewish men entering and leaving a gas chamber that shows a counter reading "5,999,999," implying that Jews have inflated the number of Holocaust victims.

American cartoonist Mike Flugennock's cartoon asks: "What has Ariel Sharon learned from the Holocaust?" It shows bulldozers razing Palestinian homes and an Israeli soldier pointing a gun at a Palestinian protester's head, above Flugennock's answer to his own question: "Humiliation, tyranny, brutality and murder."

Sharon, the Israeli prime minister, remains in a coma after a stroke Jan. 4.

Flugennock, of Washington, D.C., insisted his entry is not anti-Semitic but legitimate political criticism - because it criticizes not the Jewish people or their religion but Israeli policy toward the Palestinians.

"It specifically addresses policies of the Israeli state with regard to its behavior in Palestine, and their similarities to the strategies employed by the Nazi regime in Warsaw and elsewhere," he said in an e-mail to The Associated Press.

Flugennock said he saw the contest as a chance to tell the world "that there is 'another America' that sees through the policies of the Israeli state and isn't afraid of reactionaries' trying to tar them with the epithet 'anti-Semite.' "

Farid Mortazavi, who is managing the contest for Hamshahri, said he has received about 700 cartoons from some 200 artists. A website run by contest organizers says entries have come in from 35 countries.

The newspaper is offering prizes of up to $14,000 Cdn.

"We still expect more American cartoonists to send their caricatures to the contest," Mortazavi said.

Other submissions, some of which were posted online, address the Palestinians' situation rather than the Holocaust.

One, by a Brazilian artist, shows a carefree, whistling Israeli man turning his back on a crowded Palestinian slum from which an apparent suicide bomber tries to get his attention.

Another American cartoonist depicted the Statue of Liberty with its torch extinguished and its eyes and mouth sealed with metal plates and a sign reading, "Closed until further notice. Bushco Demolitions."

The Muhammad cartoons, which included one showing the prophet wearing a turban shaped like a bomb, were first published in September by a Danish newspaper that solicited the drawings in what it said was a test of freedom of expression. The cartoons later were reprinted in other newspapers, mostly in Europe.

Islamic tradition generally bars even respectful depictions of the prophet because of fears they could lead to idolatry.

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 03:52 AM

I wonder what the Islamic view (punishment) is for growing certain shrooms. Do they chop off your caps?:eusa_thin

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