Posted 31 January 2006 - 02:03 PM
Should I even try bothering with this in FL? They're just so big nd pretty and orange. :D
Posted 31 January 2006 - 02:57 PM
Posted 31 January 2006 - 11:39 PM
Considering the volume you would have to eat/grow and that flavor...I'd go cubie if I were you.
I can't tell you about the other Gyms. I've only had experience with Spectabilis.
Posted 01 February 2006 - 09:54 AM
Posted 01 February 2006 - 05:05 PM
Page 88 "CHEMISTRY: Chemical studies on this species have thus bar been inconclusive. It has been suggested that styrylpyrone compounds are responsible for the psychoactive effects (Ola'h, G.M. Le Genre Panaeolus. Revue de Mycologie Series 10, Museum National d'Histoire Naturelle, Paris, 1970). These compounds are derivatives of yangonin, a psychoactive principle of kava-kava (Piper methysticum). More likely, this species produces Psilocybin or a related compound. Psilocybin has been isolated from G validipes, a species implicated in two hallucinogenic poisonings in Michigan. Psilocybin has also been found in G. aeruginosus, but not in 15 other Gymnopilus species, including 8 collections of spectabilis. However, unidentified indoles have been detected in G. spectabilis."
Here is what I published in #27 "THE MUSHROOM CULTURE", The Journal of Mushroom Cultivation, January 1995 Issue:
"Gymnopilus Spectabilis, It's Neurotoxic Oligoisoprenoids"
New gymnopilins (with m-3, n-5, and 6) were isolated from Gymnopilus spectabilis with m-2 and 3 and the activity of the compounds with m-2 increased in the following order: n-6-n-5. Gymnopilus spectabilis (Fr.) Singer, widely known as a hallucinogenic mushroom, is called "Ohwaraitake" (big laughter mushroom) in Japan. The odd behavior of people who are intoxicated as a result of the ingestion of this mushroom is recorded in the literature ("Konjaku Monogatari") of the 12th century. Though some American mushrooms have been reported to contain Psilocybin, this has not yet been isolated from any Japanese fungi. The symptoms of the intoxication suggest inclusion of the active substance into the central nervous system, and support for this has been provided by the demonstration of the depolarizing activity, i.e. neurotoxicity, of an extract of G. spectabilis. Isolation of the toxic principles as therefore attempted. In this report, we show that some gymnopilins (G)-5,6,previously isolated as bitter principles of this mushroom, exhibit depolarizing activity. The isolation and purification of each gymnopliln and structural elucidation of a new gymnopilin (m-3) are also presented. Taken from "Phytochemistry, Vol. 34, No. 34, pp. 661-114, 1993, Printed in Great Britain."........slp/fmrc
Posted 01 February 2006 - 06:18 PM
Posted 01 February 2006 - 06:28 PM
or do an alcohol extraction
Posted 01 February 2006 - 07:04 PM
Thanks for the info fmrc and company!
Posted 01 February 2006 - 11:34 PM
For home cutivation, though, I'd stick with the "standard" cubensis because of the "weakness" of Gym's issue. If you've only got space to grow so much, it needs to be of maxium potency.
If you can get enough down to get past that taste, though...well, like I said, "I've always suspected there were quite a few things going on with Gym's besides psilocybin."
Of course, I also eat Amanitas and Daturas...
Posted 02 February 2006 - 10:04 AM
Posted 02 February 2006 - 06:14 PM
I found at another source a list of gyms found in Florida Gymnopilus liquiritae, G. luteofolius, & G. sapineus; I also found more information that described the bruising on most Gyms as blue-green. The chemical content has been disputed, but according to a field guide the specimens from the western US and Europe are less active than the Japanese and East coast US specimens.
Somewhere I also found a "dead stump tek" that someone had used for G. spectabilis.. just not sure where yet, & still looking for it.