Former military personnel?
Posted 02 November 2003 - 07:32 AM
Specifically, I am curious to know about drug testing. I am considering a position in the military but, being a chronic marijuana user, am expecting to have to quit for at least a month before recruitment. Are those who test positive for THC rejected from being able to join the military?
I want to move to the next step in my life, and want this to happen ASAP. If anyone knows about the policies of the military, please let me know.
I am definitly not looking forward to quitting and dealing with withdrawals (nausea, loss of interest in EVERYTHING, and most significant is the increased anxiety and bodily tension). I know its not as bad as heroin/cocaine/methamphetamine (or even in the same classification for that matter), but the withdrawal symptoms are still very emotionally painful and physically uncomfortable.
These symptoms are not fun stacked on top of my already existing mental condition.
Also, does anyone know about mental health history and the military? I was institutionalized several years ago for a major depressive episode (slashed wrists, involved with police).
I am rejected from the military, this will be quit e devistating as any chance of moving on in life is hopeless. I need to move from this town.
I hope someone can answer my questions, thanks a lot!
Posted 02 November 2003 - 08:32 AM
Another thing is that they have random drug tests ALOT! The good part is that they only test 10% of the urine submitted. So odds wise, you would be good
Posted 02 November 2003 - 11:36 AM
together if that's your chosen
Posted 02 November 2003 - 11:41 AM
I may be incorrect though.
Posted 02 November 2003 - 11:45 AM
When I was in the Navy we did a lot of acid because they couldn't test for it. But rest assured you will have a drug test at least every 4-5 weeks, so you'd pretty much have to quit everything. The last thing you want is a "dishonorable discharge".
Posted 02 November 2003 - 12:03 PM
As for the hair test, I hope they don't because i would test positive for way more than THC...
I had my last bowl of nasty disgusting pipe residue this morning, may it be my last.
Posted 02 November 2003 - 12:10 PM
i hope you re-consider.
the army's not going to solve your problems,
unless you count getting killed.
you'll be even more depressed, isolated,
far from home with people not much like you.
you won't like it,
and odds are, from the sound of it,
they won't much care for you either.
solve your problems step by step,
by taking real actions in your own life.
don't rely on some dramatic act to fix what is wrong,
that's not what the army is about.
you think you'll use them,
but instead they'll use you.
and you won't like what they'll want you to become.
like being told what to do ?
what to eat ?
when to eat ?
when to sleep ?
if you aren't the kind of guy who likes taking orders, why on earth would you join the army, esp. in the middle of a bloody protracted guerrilla war ?
because you know iraq is exactly where they're gonna send you,
kill or be killed.
is that your idea of a vacation from stress ?
oh yeah, in answer to your question,
i was in the navy,
but there was no drug testing then.
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Posted 02 November 2003 - 01:44 PM
The Military is a fun place but it doesn't sound like it would benefit you very much bro. And from the sound of it, mentally, It doesn't sound like you would last through boot camp for very long b/c they break you down then re-program you to their likings. Making you into their own robots of mass destruction. Or at least that is what the Marine Corps did to my Platoon. You forget about your family and friends and then when you graduate you see them and they see you and you and your family think, "who is that?"
As for the drug testing, yep they do it a lot. But for the hair sample it depends on the MOS that you have.
Sorry flash backs. Gotta love the GAS CHAMBER. I remember the last time I went into the chamber it didn't even effect me at all and now pepper spray barely effects me. I know when I got out I had my friends spray me and it didn't do sh*t.
Gotta love it
Posted 02 November 2003 - 01:53 PM
Posted 02 November 2003 - 05:28 PM
we'd get depressed, broke, in the dead of winter.
everything seemed a dead-end,
so we joined up.
boot camp is hell even for healthy well-adjusted individuals, it is no place for anyone suffering from depression.
they are not sympathetic,
they won't help you.
instead, they'll single you out as a bad example,
you'll be mocked, shunned, segregated and perhaps even imprisoned, court-martialed, discharged under less than honorable circumstances.
you can even get the death penalty for corwardice or desertion.
so consider your decision very carefully.
there's a guy now in the army, going thru hell because he fell apart after seeing an iraqi who'd been mangled pretty badly. he sought help for his anxiety, instead they are court-martialling him for cowardice in the face of the enemy.
Posted 02 November 2003 - 05:48 PM
Posted 03 November 2003 - 04:14 AM
I heartfully thank you all for pointing that part out, I could have been humiliated and gotten even worse off than I am now.
I am in the process of appliying to community college, the military I considered a fallback position. This is the wrong way to look at it. If I try and apply for several colleges and don't get into any at all, then i may consider the military after some intense therapy. College sounds like a better plan to continue my life.
The military is appealing to me because it gives an opportunity to move out of state, I have lived in the same house my whole life... not very fun or healthy in the least. Also what is most appealing to me is the discipline, structure, etc. that I am desperately lacking in now, i would think the experience would build a lot of character. I want to prove to myself that I could do it, and march proud in a perfect uniform.
Anyway, enough on the bush's war machines. The one thing I would be happiest doing would be growing cannibis in a country where it is legal. I don't think there would be much of a problem getting rid of it as long as its good bud. Of course this is any stoners fantasy, so I don't consider it a realistic goal. Most of my experience in any field is computers, I have used them all my life, and every single day. I also enjoy growing botanicals, but don't know if I would be satisfied doing it for profession.
I am so impatient, I want change to come so very soon. Tired of how my life is going right now, its natural one would come up with outlandish ideas of how to better their lives. Thanks for opening my eyes a little.
Posted 03 November 2003 - 08:09 AM
I would really consider going after the school thought. The computer field is an ever changing field and will never be unemployed.
The money is there, all yopu have to do is set your mind to it. Hell that is what i'm doin now and its the best thing ever.
by the way I'm gonna bring up the moving out of country to Amsterdam or somewhere where I can enjoy my pass time freely to the mrs and see what she says
Erebus, Good luck and God speed with your deciscions
Posted 03 November 2003 - 09:40 AM
Most AF enlisted work aircraft support/maintenance. Lots of hi-tech computer-related jobs too.
Good luck in whatever you pursue. All the best!
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Posted 03 November 2003 - 05:32 PM
The only thing that has kept me going through all this is hope. I don't know why, but I have been able to retain a healthy dosage of it. I think it may come from tripping. Seeing the world for how it is in a primitive sense can really give someone hope, to see the beauty of nature, the calming sound of rain, etc. This is the one little piece of hope I have been able to hold onto. I envision green rolling hills and clear blue skies, warm jungles, ancient aztec temples, etc.
There is a lot to be seen in the world which I have never had the pleasure to see, and one day I hope to be able to experience it. Experience happiness.
Not having a girlfriend right now is a bitter-sweet kinda thing. If I did have one, I would be easily effected by tiny miniscule things she does that would bother me. I.E. being a little too friendly with another guy, not even flirting. This really bothers me, and makes me feel like I am losing her. On the other hand obviously I want love and attention from a female figure, who wouldn't.
About the saving up cash, it is the reason I considered quitting smoking... too much money. Of course I gave in and bought a bag yesterday . But I am going to be more responsible and not be high all day everyday, only when it would be nice.
1 or 2 thousand dollars really sounds achievable, though it will take a while.
Farmerlucky - Several years ago I would have told you for certain computers would be my field. After I stumbled upon the sweet leaf it expanded my interested considerably.
I am me - Thanks for sharing your story, it gave me a piece of hope knowing someone in my situation really can make it out of the downward spiral onto better places.
Jack Gordon - I am still considering the military if all else fails in the college situation. Given the right can-do attitude, I KNOW I could pass through boot-camp in any of the branches. It would take a LOT (< and I can't stress this enough) of effort on my part, but I know I could do it.
A lot of my current situation comes from my friends here and their actions, being stuck in this house, etc. Of course this doesn't mean terribly things wouldn't come my way in any other place, but there is a large cumulative effect in this town.
Posted 03 November 2003 - 06:49 PM