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Fruiting a sclerotia producing strain?


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#1 motograter

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 06:10 PM

Is it only certain strains that produce this? Or would any strain left invitro long enough work?

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 06:17 PM

What exactly is sclerotia? All the reading I have done never mentioned sclerotia.

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 06:23 PM

only a few strains produce sclerotia. ps. tampanensis, and ps mexicana are the most common (or maybe the only?) I believe mexicana works a lot faster though.

sclerotia are 'stones' that are developed in the mycellium after longer than fruiting times have elapsed. 6 months or longer it seems according to somethings i've read. I believe they are stronger than fruitbodies? never tried em. I know they are a lot less water % when fresh. like 70% rather than 90.

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 06:34 PM

So more weight per volume and stronger? Why the hell wouldn't you want to grow these? :headbang: So what if it takes longer.

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 06:57 PM

I see, thanks.. Know of anywhere I can get my hands on any of these strains?

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 10:43 PM

spore works carrys mex-a, tamp, and atlantis #7.. all of which produce stones
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Posted 08 February 2006 - 12:32 AM

Can you fruit a stone forming strain? And if so, what is the best way to do this? I am also curious, what are the main differences between many of the stone forming strains? I know it is a question heavy thread. :hippie:

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 09:08 AM

i'll take your first one-

Can you fruit a stone forming strain?


yes.
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Posted 08 February 2006 - 09:32 AM

^^^lol^^^
3, you crack me up!

I'll take your second question. And I will answer with a link.
http://archives.myco...s/5/173931.html

You will need to read that whole thing and the links it gives. That may still not answer all the fruiting questions, so I will look a little more for another link.

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 11:17 AM

workman does most of his on RGS cased with limed peat.

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 11:56 AM

I would recommed altantis as the fastest producer. I have yet to dose on mine but I hear they are similar to mexicana in potency. Tamp are said to be stronger but take ages to grow.

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 12:29 PM

actually workman always uses calcium carbonate from what i've read
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Posted 08 February 2006 - 09:49 PM

Thanks for the info. I am reading through the link now. Lot of good stuff here.

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 01:37 AM

I currently use calcium carbonate but I used to use crushed oyster shell which also work pretty well. I included a link to the old Psilocybe mexicana gallery at Spore Works. All direct links within sporeworks.com to the old galleries have been removed but the galleries are still present on the server.

Old Spore Works Mexicana Gallery

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 08:26 AM

actually workman always uses calcium carbonate from what i've read
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Yeah thats what I meant. I should have been more specific though esp. as that other thread show that people are mostly using hydrated lime.

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 09:31 AM

I've always heard that they fruit better it there are some stones present in the substrate. Is this true, workman?

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 03:23 AM

I used to think this was true but now it doesn't seem to be always true. I have been getting good crops of Jalisco mexicana and Tampanensis mushrooms with no visible sclerotia in the casing. It seems to be strain dependent with at least some strains not requiring any sclerotia development before fruiting. It is certain that dense fruitings produce few if any sclerotia in the casing since most of the energy is diverted into mushroom production. Heavy sclerotia production during a fruiting attempt correlates well with less than ideal fruiting conditions.

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 02:34 PM

so i was wondering.. if you could fruit stones?
like say take a good sized stone..
break it into peices and mix with a good organic compost
as i understand it the stones have all the nutrients they require to fruit
from what i've read that is how they have gotten morels to fruit indoors
which is also a sclerotia producing mushroom that is generaly considered difficult to cultivate indoors
of course it is just a theory..
but it would be really cool to see somebody try
taking a clone of any fruit you can get would probibly help your chances exponintialy too
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Posted 09 April 2006 - 06:14 PM

as the thread title suggests a friend of mine inquired about fruiting
of the mexicana 'B' Strain from workman

and after searching the archives for days on end cant find anything other than pics from the sporeworks site.

anybody with pictures or info on this species,
or even mex a as im sure they require similiar conditions for fruiting (mid seventies lots of airflow?)

but my friend said one of her pen-pals in Holland was thinking of growing A, and B strains

-the 'A' mainly for sclerotia production and possibly to toy with finding a solid-fruiting substrain once settled into her new digs

-the 'B' because the pics of the mex a fruits in the archive and sporeworks' shots of the MexB fruits in abundance look so damn yummy she just has to give fruiting of a mexicana variety a try:D

My friend's penpal thinks that the Mex. B is the better choice for a fruiter, but is aware that sclerotia production is not up to par with mexA.

What would be your choice to experience the novelty of fruting the some of the same specimens that were used in the world's first isolation of Psilocybin and Psilocin?

all comments, thoughts, pics, and sage welcome
open mexicana/sclerotia discussion here :)

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Posted 09 April 2006 - 06:22 PM

jalisco followed by atlantis should be the more likely to give caps.
alas after some efforts i haven't gotten much more than a few aborts
so 'fraid i have little to offer as sound advice other than what is written elsewhere.




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