Mescaline Extraction Tek
Posted 15 February 2006 - 10:05 PM
(click pics to enlarge)
Items you'll need
1. At least 2 glass or HDPE(should show a triangular recycle symbol with a 2 inside of it somewhere on the bottom) plastic jugs or jars. HDPE is preferred because strong lye solutions will etch glass and cause it to break eventually. I know first hand.
2. RedDevil brand lye
3. Muriatic acid (HCL or hydrochloric acid)
6. turkey baster
7. a glass or stainless steel funnel
8. cotton balls
all easy to get items (use NO aluminum)
You should not use any type of open flame at any point during this extraction. Use adequate ventilation at all times.
Preparing your cactus
You'll want to begin with dry powdered cactus if you can. You can dry slices of cactus in the oven with low heat and then use a coffee grinder to powderize it.
NOTE: I've experience a severe reaction to breathing the powder. It screws up my sinuses for a week or two. I'd suggest using a face mask to prevent it being inhaled. Also I have noticed irritation to the eyes if the dust comes in contact with them. Be careful.
Prepare a solution of lye water by slowly mixing together 1 TBS of lye for every pint(8 TBS/gallon) of cold water that you think you'll need to completely cover you dry cactus. This will produce a little heat so don't be alarmed. Just swirl it around slowly as you add the lye a little at a time. This is what I will refer to as base or basic water.
Next add you dry cactus powder. Mix the contents thoroughly to ensure that you expose all of the powder to the basic water.
Now add about a pint or so of xylene to the mix. You want enough of a layer to be able to draw off the xylene with the turkey baster later. Shake it all up and let it sit for an hour. This is what it will look like just after shaking.
If after an hour you can see that the xylene layer is separating back out, fine, if not, add a little more pre-made basic water and check again. Now shake it back up and put it away for 24 hours (every second of it).
This is after three hours.
24 hours later, you want to draw off the xylene so now you need to use the turkey baster to suck it up and put it in a new jar(a mason jar works fine). You don't want any of the water from beneath the xylene to come with it.
And put it into your salting bottles
Now you want to mix your acid water in order to dilute it to the proper strength you want. Be very careful not to breath the vapors that come out of the bottle when you open it. HCL comes very strong and it will burn you.
You want to add approximately 4-8 drops of HCL acid to 1.5 cups of water. Slowly add this acid water to the xylene while gently swirling the liquids around in the jar. Add just enough to make a half inch or so layer beneath the xylene.
Don't worry that you won't get all of the goods because the xylene is going back into the extraction bottle and you'll get another shot at what you missed before. Put the lid on the jar and shake it all up. Wait a few minutes and shake again.
Once it has returned completely to a separated state loosen the lid on the jar and place it in the freezer. You want the bottom layer(the acid water) to now freeze solid. The xylene will not freeze. Once the water is frozen, work quickly and pour the xylene back into the extraction bottle.
With the water still frozen solid, pour in a little warm water and swirl around and discard quickly. This helps get rid of a little more residual xylene. The rest will evaporate later.
Repeat the extraction and salting steps 4 to 6 times to get all of the goodies. You can reuse the xylene over and over again.
Now thaw out the water and put it in you evaporation dish. A large flat bottomed pyrex dish works best. Using heat(heating pad beneath the dish) or not, fan dry it to evaporate the water from the dish. This may take some time depending on how much water you used.
Once all of this is dry you will see a crystalline residue left on the dish.
This pic shows off a mistake that I made and one that some of you may make also. On the right side of the dish you can see a huge brown spot. This happened because I used too much hcl acid in the salting step. This, however, is not a big problem. It will all be gone after the cleaning step, plus much of it evaporated with the water. I might could have even avoided some of the discoloration by evaporating slower, giving the hcl more time evaporate.
Scrape it off with a razor blade. Mescaline hcl will be a brownish powder.
This is from the first scraping from the first salting. It actually turned out much better than I normally expect. It can be used as is but the next procedure is simple if you've got this far.
Put a cotton ball in the spout end of your funnel so that it can filter.
Mix some acetone with your extracted alkaloids. I use a mason jar so that I can swirl it around easily. You want to get every piece of mescaline washed with acetone, so mix it in good.
Next, pour it into the funnel with a clean dry jar to catch the liquids. Use acetone to wash loose needles, that remain in the jar, into the funnel.
You will notice some color draining through with the acetone. Wash like this with fresh acetone until little to no more color is draining through. Put the funnel somewhere to dry.
Once all acetone smell is gone from the funnel and it's contents you need to pour some hot water into it with it positioned over the evaporation dish. The hot water will dissolve the crystals and allow them to flow through the cotton into the dish.
Evaporate as before. The resulting crystals will be considerably whiter and more pure. This is not only for aesthetics, but also it makes for more accurate dosing.
You can put this powder in capsules to facilitate simple dosing with pre-measured amounts in each capsule.
Posted 15 February 2006 - 10:06 PM
What types of cactus can be used?
Any mescaline containing cactus will work and can be used dried or fresh. Make sure to blend the cactus real well if you're using it fresh. I would suggest freezing the cactus to burst the cell walls. It'll help when you go to blend it. All you have to do after blending it is mix it real well with your lye water. This helps to prevent a thick emulsion later on. You may even want to think about boiling the cactus slime before mixing it with the lye water to help reduce the muccus factor.
How does this compare to DMT extractions?
They're both a/b extractions. With DMT you extract first with the acid, and then convert into a freebase. With mescaline, you basify, and later salt into whichever form you're using. Generally xylene is used with mesc, and naptha with DMT. If you can do one, you can do the other.
Why would someone want to do this extracton, why not just eat the cactus?
The process of eating San Pedro is definitely not fun. It can be tolerated by most serious trippers, but it is difficult to consume enough cactus to get a powerful high. The taste of different trichocereus species ranges from very bitter to tasteless, the varieties with less taste tending to have a slimy consistency. With these varieties the texture is the main obstacle to consuming large quantities. Injesting mescaline hcl makes the process of tripping on mescaline much more enjoyable, and with less discomfort.
If I have a separatory funnel, how could it be used in this TEK?
The best way to use a separatory funnel would be to quickly remove most of the xylene from the salted mescaline/acid water. Once the Muriatic acid has been added, and shaken to salt out the mescaline, then the mixture can be poured into the separatory funnel and allowed to separate. The bottom layer would be the mescaline water which would be drained off into your evaporation pan being careful not to include any of the xylene layer. This would completely eliminate the freezing step. The xylene could then be poured back into the extraction jug to restart the cycle. This would cut hours off your overall time obligation. For any other purpose, you would need a much larger separatory funnel and you'd need to do a bit of boiling and straining to get the liquid to a more fluid state. It'd be much easier to just use a siphoning tube or turkey baster.
You're left with the mescaline alkaloids in acidic water and you have to evaporate this water right? How easy is that?
Nothing could be more simple. The amount of water that you have to evaporate is very small and therefore evaporates easily. Most of the time it is done overnight. Recently I used the stovetop to aid in evaporation. It took about an hour to evaporate most of the water and the rest I left to evaporate while I slept. I used the next to lowest temperature setting on the stove to heat up the water just enough to start evaporating.
Does any of the zylene or acetone remain in the final product?
Both solvents are very volatile, so they evaporate very quickly and thoroughly.
Will the end product contain sodium chloride from the lye?
While some table salt can be produced during this process, it shouldn't be a very large amount. The lye will, for the most part, stay in the aqueous layer when it separates from then solvent. When you take out the solvent, it should only have freebase mescaline dissolved in it, and maybe trace amounts of lye. If you let it separate out completely and make sure to not bring out any of the aqueous layer, you should have almost no lye what-so-ever. Now, if you want to test your finished product for salt, all you have to do is a simple flame test. Get a small sample(I'm talking a few needles here) on a clean pin or needle and put a clean flame to it. The flame will glow bright yellow if sodium is present.
Is the experience different compared to consuming cactus tea?
I've only made tea one time and I was so sick the whole time I couldn't enjoy nor judge the experience for it's mescaline feel.
I have taken encapsulated cactus powder and mescaline tar from alcohol extraction many times. I couldn't determine any noticeable difference other than intensity. Normally these doses were around 50gm of dried material. My preference of the two is most certainly the tar. Always a very nice visual trip. With both of these forms of preparation, I have had very profound visuals.
My first mescaline hcl experience was 200mg, so it was barely above baseline, nice, but not profound. I felt the body tingle and some mild visual distortions.
What's the mescaline experience like?
The mescaline experience is my favorite of the traditional psychedelics. I find it has the advantages of acid: a lucid, penetrating, focused ability of the mind, rather than the more dreamy, drifting state I get from mushrooms. However, I feel totally relaxed with mescaline, even calmer than I feel on mushrooms, and there's no trace of the metallic edge usually felt on acid. I recently tested 400mg of crystal derived from this TEK. I dissolved it in a half cup of water and took the dose in two equal parts a half hour apart. By the time I drank the second half, I was already feeling the effects. That's super fast for mescaline. It full blown psychedelic experience, I had walls breathing with red and green color overtones. Any surface with a swirl type finish became a moving mass like as if you had mixed two colors of paint together and stirred it slowly with the paint stick. My body was completely in a state of relaxed, ecstasy like bliss, with a slight speedy background. I was highly satisfied.
I find the mescaline experience to be more visual than mushrooms or acid. However, I've only experienced really spectacular visuals when using synthetic mescaline. Like psilocybin, mescaline tends to link me with collective evolutionary consciousness more than synthetics like LSD. The experiences produced by these natural psychedelics seem more "significant" than an acid high, which is more analytical. An acid high often seems to be a by-product of magnifying the mind, whereas with mushrooms and cactus one feels they are in touch with something ancient, spiritual, and personal. The "coming back" portion of a mescaline trip is smooth and I've never felt the "drained of energy" or "neural overload" feeling that can come after an intense acid trip. This allows for a more conscious and therapeutic return to regular consciousness, after which I can easily sink into sleep and wake up feeling refreshed.
What's a good oral dosage for mescaline hcl?
Threshold 100 mg
Light 100 - 200 mg
Common 200 - 300 mg
Strong 300 - 500 mg
Heavy 500 - 700 mg
Onset : 45 - 60 minutes
Peak : T + 4 hours
Duration : 4 - 8 hours
Normal After Effects : 2 - 4 hours
How much cactus was used in each gallon jug?
The extraction shown here uses only 100 grams of powder per gallon jug.
What are the different types of mescaline?
If an acid extraction is performed on mescaline containing plant material, different forms of mescaline are produced. If hydrochloric acid is used the result is mescaline hydrochloride or hcl. If sulphuric acid is used, the result is mescaline sulfate. 200 mg mescaline sulfate = 178 mg mescaline HCl. Mescaline sulfate can be distinguished by the structure of its crystals. These are approximately 1/4" long and look like fine needles or shards of glass.
What will my total yield be?
It depends on the amount of material you start with. I once extracted 600 mg of alkaloids from 55 grams of dried peruvian torch. My last extraction from 200 grams of dried Peruvian torch produced 2400mg of alkaloid salts. That puts the potency at about 1.2%. Not bad at all. What someone else gets out of their extraction will depend largely on the potency of their cactus material. It can vary greatly from what I have. Yours may be weaker or much stronger than mine.
Can I see a picture of mescaline sulfate crystals?
Sure, why not :loveeyes:
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Posted 15 February 2006 - 10:25 PM
Posted 16 February 2006 - 12:32 AM
where do you get muriatic acid, xylene and acetone?
and how big of a cutting of cactus would be about 200g dried?
also how do you prepare the cactus for drying in the oven? do u have to take the skin off?
and does anyone sell it pre powdered?
Posted 16 February 2006 - 02:17 PM
The alcohol extraction is simple.
-Soak the powdered cactus in a strong alcohol such as Everclear (190proof) or Bacardi 151. Use just enough to cover the powder plus an inch or more in a jar that you can shake up.
-Shake it periodically throughout the day. Every 24 hrs drain off the alcohol and set it aside. Continue this process untill the color is no longer changing, and it pours off clear.
-Combine the extractions into one tub and evaporate the alcohol using low heat or a fan. You're left with a thick tar like substance that contains the alkaloids.
Always remember your starting dry weight to better be able to judge your doses from the finished product. Example: 100 dry grams is enough for two people. 50 grams is a good dose for one trip.
This alcohol tek basically produces freebase mescaline. When it hits your stomach, though, it forms mescaline hcl by combining with all of the natural hydrochloric acid in you stomach. The reason for the alcohol extraction technique is simplicity, not efficiency. It's super easy and virtually foolproof.
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Posted 16 February 2006 - 02:23 PM
where do you get muriatic acid, xylene and acetone?
home depot, hardware store, etc.
Posted 16 February 2006 - 02:25 PM
I average about 15 grams of mescaline sulfate from a kilo of cacti skins. To make mesc crystals you have to add a acidic functional group, like using sulfuric acid (sulfate), hydrochloric (hydrochloride)
About 500mg is a good strong dose of mescaline sulfate.
Is there anyway to reduce the nausea associated with mescaline?
After years of swilling cactus slime, I finally met an elightened chemist who provided the pure hcl salt, only to find that I had the same nausea reaction to the pure compound as I did the cactus juice. On the other hand, we have also discovered that taking pure mescaline hcl and dissolving it into warm water and shooting it up the rectum does in fact bring on the full trip without the nausea. ~elphstone
What's the difference in potency between Peruvian Torch and San Pedro?
It is important to note that both T. pachanoi (San Pedro) and T. peruvianus (Peruvian Torch) vary significantly in mescaline content from one specimen to the next, based on factors such as soil condition, altitude, amount of sun and age. Additionally, there is great confusion taxonomically concerning T. peruvianus. Most experts agree it’s likely there are many distinct species being circulated as T. peruvianus. Unfortunately, without more testing of T. peruvianus samples, it’s difficult to know how the average peruvianus compares to the average pachanoi. Bioassay data still put T. peruvianus as the more potent of the two, but without scientific data to back up the claim. What this all suggests to the average consumer is that when looking for potent cacti, the reliability of the source is likely more important then the species.
Is there a difference in dosage between mescaline hcl and mesc sulfate?
The sulfate salt has a heavier weight and requires 300-500 mg for a full dose; the hydrochloride salt is less heavy and requires 250-400 mg for a full dose; the free base requires 200-350 mg for a full dose. Thus, a full dose of T. pachanoi would be 57-96 grams dry weight.
If I have a 5 foot cactus, how much will this yield?
It's possible to get 5 decent doses from 5 feet of san pedro.
A recent extraction using this amount wound up yielding 1750mg of mesc. hcl.
Here's a few pics of the hydrochloride salt.
Posted 17 February 2006 - 09:59 PM
And, if you re-dissolve your crude mescaline.HCl in de-ionized water, basify slowly to pH 11 with NaOH and re-extract, you can take the mesc-containing xylene and use that direct salting technique involving acetone, to make nice big crystals directly. Its very easy to do if you own a separatory funnel.
Posted 18 February 2006 - 01:51 AM
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Posted 20 February 2006 - 03:02 PM
how long will the mescaline capsules last b4 they loose potency..?
Store mescaline hcl or mesc sulfate inside an airtight container in the freezer. Much like storing mushrooms, keep mescaline dry and cool, and it'll be good for years.
Posted 21 February 2006 - 02:08 PM
San Pedro Cactus Ood Ball Sale.
These San Pedros are various odds and ends sizes. Some are rooted , some are fat, some thin, some tall, some short, some tip cuts, some center cuts, some crooked, some sunburned. They're not perfect, but they are a great deal. Sold by the Kilo.
3 kilos, 35$
Any guesses on how many doses this could yield?
Posted 21 February 2006 - 07:58 PM
Posted 22 February 2006 - 01:43 AM
I'm done swilling cactus juice, though I have to say that eating a bite of red onion after taking a shot of cactus juice makes it totally drinkable, just don't try to kiss your honey until your back from your trip . . . :teeth:
Thanks again and again and again . .
Posted 22 February 2006 - 10:16 AM