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why is it taking so long? [taped holes =no air = stalls growth]


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#1 Guest_cheese_*

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Posted 11 February 2005 - 08:05 AM

Pretty self explanatory. BRF cakes. How long after innoculating them should someone wait to take the tape off of the holes. A first batch they were taken off right away, but I've heard contam can get in that way. Just wondering what ya'll do. Hurry up with reply, innoc. will begin sometime soon.

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Posted 11 February 2005 - 08:19 AM

tape should be removed before the jars reach 50% colonization
else they may stall out and not finish in a timely manner.
in truth if the vermiculite barrier is done right
there is NO need for tape at all,
i never use any and still do just fine.

#3 insight

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Posted 11 February 2005 - 10:14 AM

For BRF jars, I remove tape at 3 days after innoculation. My verm layer fills all of the bands on the jar.

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Posted 11 February 2005 - 10:15 AM

I never tape my holes and have yet to attribute a contam to that - that's why you have a verm barrier on your lidside. I've used porus surgical tape but with poorer results and no benefit.

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Posted 11 February 2005 - 10:41 AM

I leave mine on through pcing for extra insurance Vs a wet dry verm layer, but once i innoc it stays off.

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Posted 11 February 2005 - 11:42 AM

^thats what i do.

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Posted 11 February 2005 - 02:02 PM

tape who? I don't use tape, for brf, never have a problem...

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Posted 11 February 2005 - 03:15 PM

If the verm barrier is tight enough then I dont think you even need tape. I never use tape and almost always prevail.

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Posted 11 February 2005 - 05:28 PM

I used to leave the holes taped but I noticed a dramatic decrease in colonization time when I stopped using tape. No contam problems so far.

Mycelium needs to breathe. Gas exchange speeds up growth.

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Posted 11 February 2005 - 06:03 PM

I leave mine on through pcing for extra insurance Vs a wet dry verm layer, but once i innoc it stays off.

Doesn't the foil layer usually facilitate that function or don't you use that?

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Posted 11 February 2005 - 06:11 PM

I PC with Verm, Tape and Foil. You could never have too much insurance.

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Posted 11 February 2005 - 06:14 PM

Agreed. But after nocking them up, you can leave the tape off. Or if you want to put the tape back down after innoculation, you can simply loosen the jar lid for gas exchange.

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Posted 11 February 2005 - 06:23 PM

Correct, then 3 days after Innoc, tape comes off so they could breathe.

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Posted 14 February 2005 - 01:00 PM

you can simply loosen the jar lid for gas exchange.

dunno about you
but i think
a loose lid is a bad idea.
too much of a good thing
can be bad.
i'd rather have better control
and restrict airflow to the
holes in the lid.

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Posted 14 February 2005 - 01:22 PM

Yeah, I just did them that way because PF's instructions said to. It had somethin to do with the courseness of the vermiculite. Heck I can't remember, that was a long time ago. I also was paranoid about getting contams through the holes, which was silly!!!

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Posted 14 February 2005 - 01:47 PM

No tape here....just foil and verm...air exchange is good...Posted Image

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Posted 14 February 2005 - 02:43 PM

no tape here either

#18 fender

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Posted 14 February 2005 - 05:52 PM

I don't even use holes. I physicialy remove the lids for inoc. I never have problems unless I get lazy.
And I always leave my lids loose.

(Message edited by Fender on February 14, 2005)

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Posted 14 February 2005 - 08:14 PM

No tape here either. I do turn the jars upside down after a week or so to "drain" the CO2 though. No contams yet..........

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Posted 28 February 2006 - 07:55 AM

I've seen people here crank out the shrooms. Why won't mine grow? It seems like they're taking forever...is it the media? Is it the temp? water, air, what? Pics are coming in a few minutes so don't move or delete this thread.




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