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[kcmoxtractor]

I always shake the hell outta mine, IMO the more even the naphtha is dispersed, the better.
Add more lye, shake the hell out of them until they stop heating up, then put them
in a hot water bath.

The key to getting pretty crystals is a slow formation of the crystal. After you separate your
pulls, leave them out in the room to cool to ambient temps, then put in the fridge for a day, then freezer for a day.
I have gotten the rhombic, shardy looking crystals from a stb using a slow precipitation method.

[Dr.Hallucination]

OK,I think I fixed it.

Again I split the batch back into there two jugs.I added some more lye to one of the 2L jugs until it became quite hot.

I added another naptha pull,shook it up good,let it sit in the hot water,then looked at it 5 mins later and noticed a clear layer starting to form.

I will go back in a few mins to check it out,but I think I am good.

I will do the same to the other jug as well once I know this one is ok lol.

[tenjin]

I've always shook the hell out of mine too, i just burp the lid afterwards so i don't get much emulsions. i would add more lye and use a heat bath as well if it isn't separating for ya.

great report dr. h!

[Dr.Hallucination]

So it worked,I got the naptha separated from the one jug and collected it into a 500 ml mason jar.
Another naptha pull has been started.

[kcmoxtractor]

I've always shook the hell out of mine too, i just burp the lid afterwards so i don't get much emulsions. i would add more lye and use a heat bath as well if it isn't separating for ya.

If you leave a pressure buffer prior to shaking, you don't have to burp them.

Just squeeze the jug in a little bit so it looks like its partially crushed, it doesn't have to be very much.

Heck yeah dr, glad to hear you got the problem sorted out!

[tenjin]

If you leave a pressure buffer prior to shaking, you don't have to burp them.

Just squeeze the jug in a little bit so it looks like its partially crushed, it doesn't have to be very much.

ah cool, haven't tried that, but makes sense, thx :thumbup:

[Dr.Hallucination]

A few quick questions if I may about evaporating naptha.
I am a bit confused on a couple things.
So I should do the evaporation as slowly as possible to get the best looking crystal formations correct?
Is it ok to use heat under the trays to evaporate the first bit of naptha,ie light or hot water bath?or should I just let them sit at room temperature and let them slowly evaporate.
A fan for evaporating is a nono right?
What about freeze precip,can I do that right away,or do I have to evaporate most of the naptha first?

I am sure I have many more questions but I will leave it at that and keep searching at the same time lol.

[Dr.Hallucination]

The naptha from the last batch is still evaporating,I am not too sure if I messed up that batch royally or not,but I do not have great hopes for it anyway lol.And now I am very confused.

I did my first test batch by following the STB in Lysergic's thread,but dividing everything by four except the naptha pull.
So the numbers would have been:
MHRB 111.5g
H20 850 ml
Lye 4 tbsp

But now after reading a bit more I see this:
15 ml water and 1g lye to 1g of bark..
So if I was using 111g of bark I would have to use apx 1673 ml H20,that is almost double the water I used by splitting the STB in Lysergics thread???

[extrememetal43]

More water in a STB isnt a problem. I use a gallon of water for a half pound. Dont add heat during evaporation a fan to speed things up is fine. If your going to evap all the way id evap till theres a lil bit left then pour it off and evap that last little bit seperate its full of oils etc.

The key tho is freeze precipitation...you really wana look into that its much better. A cold ass freezer that goes to zero. kcm had it perfect. let it cool down, then the fridge til its not cloudy anymore, then the freezer til its not cloudy anymore.

If the naptha is full of dmt you really dont have to evap it first. I usually do an initial freeze precip, then after that gather all the pulls and if its not a concern i evap all the naptha and refreezeprecip the remaining. Ususally for all the pulls theres really not too much anyway and its pretty dirty. So i find it better to not evap first but i have a cold ass freezer and i know what to expect with the pulls. the first couple pulls will be full of dmt so they usually crash out real easy but the later pulls may have to be evaped a lil.

The best crystals are formed slowly whichever way you do it.

Lil tip to save you some spice. all the evap jars dishes etc that you use for everything that you scrape spice off of wash with a small anmount of xylene or toulene and collect it, itl dissolve the spice. youl end up with a couple hundred mgs of spice you would of just washed away.

Edited by extrememetal43, 05 July 2010 - 02:14 PM.

[tenjin]

So the numbers would have been:
MHRB 111.5g
H20 850 ml
Lye 4 tbsp

But now after reading a bit more I see this:
15 ml water and 1g lye to 1g of bark..

yep, i've done the 1g of lye and 15ml of h20 per gram of mhrb and worked fine. so you can do 7tbsp of lye for 111g of mhrb. 1tbsp is 18g i believe, so 7tbsp is 126g of lye.

[tryptaminer]

awesome read, good luck on succeeding w/ a worry free trip next time... sweet ass pictures too man

[Dr.Hallucination]

I have just finished my second extraction and it went well.
I did an STB again using a pound of bark.I didn't really follow one tech,but bits and pieces from a few.
I got the water to a ph of 13,added the bark to the jug shook it well.Then let the jug sit in a bucket of boiled water for a little over hour,shaking it peridicly.
After the hour or so had passed 400ml of naphtha was warmed up and added to the jug then gently mixed.It was placed back into a heat bath with fresh hot water.
This was allowed to separate and was again gently re shaken for a total of three times before I pulled it.
I did two 400ml naphtha pulls like this then freeze precipitated the collected naptha for a little over 24 hours.
The scale I have is only a kitchen scale and is pretty crappy,it only weighs out grams/kgs.
It was bouncing between seven and eight grams so I figure the weight to be somewhere around 7.5 grams.I have another batch to do,once I get some more time.
Here are a couple pics of the results.

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[Shadowlord]

Some nice Spicy goodness there Dr.H.
Looks like you have it pretty well nailed. Gets easier every time too, or so it seems to me.

[Bulk]

I have just finished my second extraction and it went well.
I did an STB again using a pound of bark.I didn't really follow one tech,but bits and pieces from a few.
I got the water to a ph of 13,added the bark to the jug shook it well.Then let the jug sit in a bucket of boiled water for a little over hour,shaking it peridicly.
After the hour or so had passed 400ml of naphtha was warmed up and added to the jug then gently mixed.It was placed back into a heat bath with fresh hot water.
This was allowed to separate and was again gently re shaken for a total of three times before I pulled it.
I did two 400ml naphtha pulls like this then freeze precipitated the collected naptha for a little over 24 hours.
The scale I have is only a kitchen scale and is pretty crappy,it only weighs out grams/kgs.
It was bouncing between seven and eight grams so I figure the weight to be somewhere around 7.5 grams.I have another batch to do,once I get some more time.
Here are a couple pics of the results.

1 p of bark pulled 7.5g. Not too bad.

I use the same lil vials to store all my shit, unless I've got too much. Then I use a half pint mason jar.

[Dr.Hallucination]

Some nice Spicy goodness there Dr.H.
Looks like you have it pretty well nailed. Gets easier every time too, or so it seems to me.

Absolutely,this time around it was much easier and the results were much better.I may do a recrystallization of some of the more chunky material,hopefully this weekend.

[Dr.Hallucination]

I took a couple grams from one of the jars,mostly the real chunky stuff and recrystallized it.
It came out pretty good,but there is still a slight yellow tinge to it now that it is completely dry.
I think I may do it once more and see what comes of it then.This time I think will be slowly evaporating the naphtha instead of the freeze.

I am going to do another extraction tomorrow as well,and if all goes good with that one I am going to recrystallize the batch.
I am having quite a bit of fun with this and think it is time to get some real glass and maybe a hot plate.

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[prism]

Awesome!! I really need to try mine!:rasta:

[wildabeast]

Those are some migthy pretty crystaline formations u got there doc

[Defiance]

I am having quite a bit of fun with this and think it is time to get some real glass and maybe a hot plate.

Nooo, you do such pretty work please don't risk a hot plate. I'm not at my home PC right now so I don't have hard data but the boiling point of DMT is crazy low. I've vaporized whole batches through carelessness with hot plates.

[Dr.Hallucination]

I did another extraction yesterday using the bark I had left.It was a little under a pound,400 grams to be exact.
I did it the same way as I did last one.STB with two 400ml naphtha pulls that was gently re-shaken a couple times before I pulled it.Baraka and an episode of Fringe killed the time in between.
20 hours later I removed the container from the freezer and collected my prize.I got apx 5.5g dry powder(shitty scale),and a little over a gram of crystal/oil mix.
I am going to recrystallize the oil/crystal mix from this batch,and some from last batch as one and see what come of it,and I am going to recrystallize the 5 grams as well.Hopefully one day this week I will get a chance.

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