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[Phungivore]

is there other cacti in this family that contain mescaline ?
i seen Lophophora fricii, Lophophora Diffusa, Lophophora decipiens.

are these psycoactive ?

[Fungusaurus]

From erowids visionary cactus guide:

L. diffusa -
A sacred plant held in high esteem by many Mexican Indians. A rare and very slow growing solitary cactus that is limited to a small range in the wild, now sadly threatened. A two year old specimen can be only 2 cm across. This cactus is soft, yellow green in color, having indefinite ribs and a 15 cm long conical, carrot like root. It is very similar in appearance to its more famous relative. Known to bloom in its 3rd year, with whitish yellow flowers.
Being spineless it appears to defend itself by being very unobtrusive and barely sticking out of the ground, and by its extremely bitter taste. Contains only traces of mescaline. Produces a dream-like delirium with realistic hallucinations similar to Datura alkaloids due to its high content of (tetrahydro) isoquinolines. This plant appears to be an earlier evolutionary form of L. williamsii.
Contains: anhalinine, anhalonidine, hordenine, isopellotine, mescaline, N-methylmescaline, O-methylpellotine, pellotine.

L. fricii -
Contains: mescaline, pellotine.

Lophs other than williamsii is not very well tested as much as I know, they might be psychoactive but compared to L.williamsii they're mere collectors objects, as the true peyote is a alkaloid mass-producer:

There have been over sixty alkaloids discovered in this plant which has been described as a " little green chemical factory ". This Cactus is known to contain 56 nitrogen containing compounds derived from a tyrosine base, as well as 20 tyramine-like alkaloids. Mescaline content usually ranges from about 3 - 6%, by dry weight, averaging around 4%, but is highly variable. Most of the alkaloids present can be classified as B-phenethylamines like mescaline or tetrahydroisoquinolines like hordenine. These chemicals differ in structure from LSD in that they don't have a complete indole ring. Mescaline content of fresh, undried cactus is reported at 0.4 %.
Propagate by seed or shoots. These cacti will tolerate some cold if kept perfectly dry, but not frost.

Contains: N-acetyl-3-methoxy-4,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine, alanine, anhalamine, anhalidine, anhalinine, anhalonidine (14% of the total alkaloids), anhalonine, anhalotine, 3,4-dihydroxy-5-methoxyphenethylamine, epinine, dopamine, 3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, N-acetylanhalamine, N-acetylanhalonine, N-formylanhalamine, N-formylanhalinine, N-formylanhalonidine, N-formylanhalonine, N-formyl-O-methylanhalonidine, N-formyl-3-methoxy-4,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine, glycine (8% of the total alkaloids), hordenine, 3-hydroxy-4,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine (1 to 5% of the total alkaloids), isoanhalamine, isoanhalonidine, 3-hydroxy-4,5-dimethoxy-N-methylphenethylamine, isoanhalidine, isopellotine, lophophorine (5% of the total alkaloids), 3-hydroxy-4,5-dimethoxy-N,N-dimethoxyphenethylamine, lophorine, lophotine iodide, mescaline (30% of the total alkaloids), mescaline citrimide, mescaline malaimide, mescaline maleimide, mescaline succinimide, isocitrimide lactone mescaline , N-acetylmescaline, N-formylmescaline, N-methylmescaline, mescalotam, 3-methoxytyramine, 3-methoxy-N-methyltyramine, 3-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltyramine, O-methylanhalonidine, O-methylpeyoxylic acid, O-methylpeyoruvic acid, N-methyltyramine, pellotine (17% of the total alkaloids), peyoglunal, peyoglutam, peyonine, peyophorine, peyouvic acid, peyotine iodide, peyoxylic acid, tyramine.

http://www.erowid.or...cti_guide.shtml

[lyqwyd]

i wish i was a little green chemical factory.......

[cheech]

is there other cacti in this family that contain mescaline ?
i seen Lophophora fricii, Lophophora Diffusa, Lophophora decipiens.

are these psycoactive ?

afaik l. fricii differs from willie only in the flower color.

[loochypooch]

FYI

My understanding is that there are really only two type of Lophophora:
1) Williamsii (Mesc)
2) Diffusa (Non-Mesc)

While the other names like Fricci, etc. are just varieties of one of the above. HOWEVER, some have published that each variety is a different species, but as far as I'm concerned (entheogenic interests) that doesn't really matter.

I'm of the thought that unless the cactus is a plain Diffusa it probably contains a good deal of Mescaline and could be considered Peyote for all intents and purposes. I'm not speaking from first hand experience, just from years of research.

Quoted From: http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Lophophora
Lophophora has been reported to be comprised of everything from one species, L. williamsii with varieties, to the four species L. diffusa, L. fricii, L. viridescens, and L. williamsii. Most modern authorities consider Lophophora to be a genus of two species, L. diffusa and L. williamsii. Recent DNA sequencing studies (Butterworth et al. 2002) have shown that L. diffusa and L. williamsii indeed are distinct species. It would be interesting with similar studies on the alleged species L. fricii and L. viridescens.


What I'm saying is that I'm under the impression that nearly all Lophs are the same chemically except the Diffusa (or "Diffusa var. Diffusa") that look like this one http://www.desert-tr...ra_diffusa.html. These are legal and part of my collection.

[rocketman]

I read somewhere that it is thought that the different lophs are just in different stages of evolution. There are other lophs that contain mescaline, most in small amounts. The texanesis is one that is suppose to be a producer. I do not have first hand knowledge of this, but I do talk to some of the guys in the know.

[loochypooch]

Yea as far as I know the texansis is a variety of williamsii though. Williamsii and Williamsii var Texansis are the only two I know of that are grown as crops, so I assume they are slightly higher yielding.

My point is that I doubt Friccii or Jourdania etc. are much less potent.

All of the Lophs grow only in the Chihuahuan desert so they are pretty closely related (diffusa grows on the southern edge only). Diffusa var Diffusa doesn't even hardly look like the others though and it is the only one I know of that definitely does not contain more than trace amounts of Mesc.

[loochypooch]

from desert tropicals site ...

Yep, thats one of the few sites that lists them as different species. I never rely on one source for my information.

Err wait, are they claiming they are all synonyms lol...

[loochypooch]

You know the sad thing is that the Europeans are the ones that have all of the species growing over there in greenhouses for examination and proper classification. Here in the US no one can do research because they can't get the cactus legally and it is so endangered. Grrr...

We should ask the Germans, they are the experts. At least that's where I bought mine.

BTW, I don't have a lot of respect for the desert-tropicals website I only used that link for the picture.

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