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#1 roscoe

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 08:18 PM

ok first off, i want to say there is nothing, and i mean nothing, new or exciting here. just one good way to get your cracked corn bags prepped and sterilized. in fact i owe maybe, prolly, right around, 99% of this info to sandman. it's just too easy, to not do it this way. but that's just my 2 cents...



first i start by filling my bucket to about 7\8's full, with cracked corn. then fill with water and put the lid on it. leave it to soak for 24 hours.


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the next day i pour the bucket over my home made strainer. spread the corn out evenly, then (this is important) RINSE HARD. leave to drain, stirring occasionally to promote drying. if this is done on a sunny day it does not take the corn long before it is ready to load into the bags. what you are looking for is "dry" looking corn.



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since this was done on a rainy day i opted to use verm to speed things up. how much you ask? enough...

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then stir it in evenly. again you are looking for "dry "looking corn.

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when it meets my rigid standards, i scoop it into my bags. i use 12-14 cups of corn for each bag, or three scoops.

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next i fold the bags down to get all the air out of them. you want to be careful when you fold your bags down, keep creases to a minimum. the reason for this is, after cooking the bags will tend to keep "new" creases in them. this makes them harder to fold up and seal later when every move counts. i fold mine patch out. why? out of habit and for no other reason. "laces out dan."

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i got sick of the nasty rust, the jar rings were leaving in my cooker. so i used some stainless steal tig welding rod to make extensions to the rack that came with my AA 941 canner.

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see the rust?

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in with the bottom rack.

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and then add water. i fill mine up about 1 3\4", from the bottom.

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here is the great debate, bags touching walls or not touching walls? i go full contact, patch out ("laces out dan").

bag #1

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bag #2

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bag #3

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bag #4

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bag #5

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and bag #6 aw...aw...aw...

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this is a very important step, do not skip this step. i put the second rack that came with my canner on top of the bags. this is a safety measure, to prevent the bags from unrolling and blocking your vent hole.

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and finally the lid. i like to run my full cooker for two, to two and a half hours at 15 psi. depending on how much time i have.

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well, what do you know... they made it out of the cooker intact. these were knocked up and set on a shelf in a warm spot.

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and in one week they look like this.

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Edited by roscoe, 14 January 2011 - 08:20 PM.
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Posted 14 January 2011 - 08:46 PM

:bow::bow::bow::bow::bow:

Awesome Roscoe. Your the man. RINSE HARD! :D


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Posted 14 January 2011 - 11:36 PM

Please point me in the right direction, I'm no popcorn guy but still interested in this topic. Did you really PC that for 2 hrs with that amount of water at 15psi? Looks like it would dry out by then.. 1hr should be good and save electricity? I have a friend that was doing the popcorn thing and every time he only soaked for 24hrs all the jars failed. Cooking the corn in the PC was however successful. You say they should look like "dry" pieces of popcorn, but you mean just slightly dry on the surface but looking plump with liquid? Sorry for the questions, thanks...

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 12:12 AM

Did you really PC that for 2 hrs with that amount of water at 15psi? Looks like it would dry out by then..

i sure did... you really don't need much water cause you jockey the heat to keep the weight shaking 1 time a minute max.

1hr should be good and save electricity?

it may seem like your saving, but you really need to run it for bare minimum 90 min at 15 psi. that is a lot of corn in a big ol' cooker, 41 quarts to be exact. you need time for the heat to penetrate all the way through the bag and hold that temp for long enough time to make your kills. which with that much grain can number into the millions, maybe even tens of millions.

just a note i don't think an electric burner will run a 941. i have a gas range and even it struggles. it's straight to the bayou classic cooker.

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You say they should look like "dry" pieces of popcorn, but you mean just slightly dry on the surface but looking plump with liquid?


i'm using cracked corn. it has been run through a rather rough mill once, so there are some whole kernels but not many. if you are trying to soak whole corn whether it be feed or popcorn you are going to need to soak it for a much longer time. the cracked corn soaks up water faster, i have gotten away with soaking for 12 hours on occasion. that being said you better be sure it's a fast colonizer and you spawn it without delay. it is a race after all.

so to answer your question, the corn will not really look all that plump. you want to be able to run your dry hand through the pile and have very little water on it when you take it out.
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Posted 15 January 2011 - 01:54 AM

Thanks for sharing.. This hobby really is not cut and dry

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 11:21 AM

Awesome post roscoe!

I need to try out some bags

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 03:18 PM

Roscoe, thanks for sharing. :loveeyes:

One week to full colonization! That's awesome! :headbang:

  • Do you use a laminar floor hood, etc.?
  • What size filter are you using on the bag?
  • Do you inoculate with spores, LC, or a clone? If a clone then what form: LC, agar wedge, etc?
  • How often do you shake your bags?
  • What temp are you using?
  • What do you do with all these lovely bags? Tubs?

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 03:27 PM

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thanks for the writeup roscoe

so you don't use any towels in your cooker?

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 03:27 PM

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:headbang: Yep. I may have heard some degenerate say that from time to time. Man's right I tell ya.

Thanks for the great info roscoe.

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 10:54 PM

Do you use a laminar floor hood, etc.?


yes sir...

What size filter are you using on the bag?


the bags are made by unicorn bags, they are:

12.8 inch wide X 19 inch long. Effective filter size: 1-5/8 inch square, polypropylene. Type 3T-High efficiency 0.2 microns

Do you inoculate with spores, LC, or a clone? If a clone then what form: LC, agar wedge, etc?


im using an isolate on plug spawn for my master culture. from there its all G2G. till i start a new G1, which just depends on my mood, or project needs.

How often do you shake your bags?


if im starting from plug spawn, i will throw a few plugs in each bag. once there is a ring of myc around each plug say 2 inches in diameter, i will shake them. after that i wait till the bag is about 30% colonized, to shake again. then i will shake them at fully colonized before i use them. if any bag has a little too much water i pay special attention to it. shaking it every few days to distribute the excess water.

if im being lazy about using my fully colonized bags i have to shake them every few days to avoid the blocks getting to hard. this is a particular concern with cracked corn, because of the way the corn lays together like crushed gravel. it seems to lock itself down pretty tight. this especially true for reishi's, and somewhat for pearls.

What temp are you using?


for colonizing i like to be around 70 degrees F. i know it's lower than a lot of people use but i have my reasons. first reason is, that my house is cold, and i'm too cheap to heat the whole house. so i only heat my colonizing room. the second reason being, if i keep my room at 80-85 degrees F my fully colonized bags don't last nearly as long. they get more myco piss, and tend to contam at a higher rate then if i keep the temp around 70 F.

What do you do with all these lovely bags? Tubs?


well, it depends on the mood, container availability, amount of spawn, and how long i have neglected my spawn. lots of times i will fruit right out of the bag, by poking holes in them and allowing the oysters fae, or in the case of reishi i let them grow invitro.... in the case of shitake i strip the bags and fruit the blocks in my FC... i have made several beds from my edible spawn....spawn to five gallon buckets...tubs...grain to wood chips in spawn bags... bigger bags...false stumps...logs...fake logs...kc got me thinking about a wall of oysters, i think that is on my short list...man just about anything i can think of! if any of you have any ideas please share, im all ears!

so you don't use any towels in your cooker?


no sir... i used to, until i talked to sandy about it and he set me straight..no buffer needed...




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