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[viewer6922]

In a jar...my Kat put 3 tablespoons of torch powder...shook well everyday for 4 days now....Now what?....pour of the alcohol and do that again? I lost the recipe somewhere...please help?

[akoutdoors]

IMO using everclear in unnecessary and very expensive when ISO will work just fine, I will be finding out definitley in a few weeks. The iso works great for THC extractions using the quick wash tech, The only down side I see(with grain alchy as well) is the green nasties that get pulled out along with the goodies.
Get some reusable tea bags mebe and just keep suqezing the bag in the alchy and pour it off to a central container(glass pie plate), keep doing this daily untill the Alchy stays clear then What you want should be gone out of the PT.
Using a double boiler on LOW LOW heat evaporate off the alchy the alchy leaves first so I recomend doing the first evaporation outside or somewhere the fumes wont bother you or othe. Then when its mostly water left bring it inside and let it naturaly evaporate making sure dust isnt setteling in the pan.
It takes 500Grams of Peruvian torch to make 13 1/2 gram doses so U need @ least 28grams to get 1 decent trip, or for me it required about 120Grams of dried whole ground up Pedro to get 2 doses...It would have been better if I didnt share, but we bolth got off

[waylitjim]

The alcohol extraction is simple. (I haven't tested iso alcohol so can't endorse it.)

-Soak the powdered cactus in a strong alcohol such as Everclear (190proof) or Bacardi 151. Use just enough to cover the powder plus an inch or more in a jar that you can shake up.

-Shake it periodically throughout the day. Every 24 hrs drain off the alcohol and set it aside. Continue this process untill the color is no longer changing, and it pours off clear.

-Combine the extractions into one tub and evaporate the alcohol using low heat or a fan. You're left with a thick tar like substance that contains the alkaloids.

Always remember your starting dry weight to better be able to judge your doses from the finished product. Example: 100 dry grams is enough for two people. 50 grams is a good dose for one trip.

This alcohol tek basically produces freebase mescaline. When it hits your stomach, though, it forms mescaline hcl by combining with all of the natural hydrochloric acid in you stomach. The reason for the alcohol extraction technique is simplicity, not efficiency. It's super easy and virtually foolproof.

[loochypooch]

what type of filter would you use to separate the alcohol from the moosh?

[hogwild]

you can use coffee filters

[akoutdoors]

the best filter IMO is a peice of silk skreen from a craft store

[loochypooch]

This is apparently not just for cacti, but for any plant. Only slightly more complex than the Ethanol only method because it does a non-polar wash first. Anyone ever tried this method?

http://www.ethnobota...olar_Extraction

For this example, we will use plant material as our goodies containing substance.

• Crush or grind your plant material, this will allow greater solubility of the good and bad stuff in their various solvents.
• Now, usually the bad stuff is in a non-polar form.
  • Soak your material in your non-polar solvent. (i.e. Naptha -- how much?)
  • The idea is to allow the bad stuff to bind to the non-polar solvent, which can then be evaporated off. (evaporated? I thought it just drained off, I doubt it would evaporate with the non-polar solvent would it?)
  • Leave the mixture for about thirty minutes, then shake it up. Do this again (30 minutes, then shake).
  • Now you can drain off the non-polar solvent. Be sure to retain all your plant material!
  • At this point, it isn't a bad idea to wash the plant material once more in some clean solvent to remove any last non-polar chemicals. (wtf are they talking about here?)
  • Now you can let the plant material dry off. If the stuff you're trying to extract is sensitive to heat or light, keep it in a cool dark place. This is where the fan is handy.
  • Make sure the plant material is 100% dry before continuing to the next step! You don't want any non-polar solvent in your end product. (so is the non-polar step worth it?)
• The good stuff is usually in polar form.
  • Once your plant material is dry, you can soak it in your polar solvent. (i.e. Everclear)
  • Keep it soaking for a week or two. If you're impatient, you can do soak it for less time. (I like the idea of draining every 24 hours until it drains clear much better)
  • Shake the container once or twice a day.
  • When you feel the soaking is done, you can remove the lid or cover of your container and remove the plant material.
  • Wash this plant material in some more polar solvent to wash out any last chemicals, and combine the liquids.
  • You can now discard the plant material, and leave the polar solvent to evaporate.
  • Once the solvent has evaporated, all that will be left is the "good stuff". You can scrape this up and do with it as you will!

[Japanster]

So, I just got some San Pedro cuttings in. I am wanting to the the alcohol extraction. But I can't do the extraction until the end of May, a month or so. Should I leave them as they are to dry out? Or should I pot them?

[synth]

konbanwa, japanster. hajimemashite!

well, i would suggest doing an alc. extraction
or a [close to] pure mesc extraction [search 'mescaline extraction
tek' on the forums]. yeah, in either case.. you want to dry the
cactus. you'd need a big container and a bunch of alcohol
if you use moist cactus.

as for the cactus stew approach..
http://mycotopia.net...read.php?t=9588
my experience tells me that this is not the way to go.

[Japanster]

I'm not actually Japanese. I'm from Texas. Yeah I ate straight Pedro once, and made a tea once. This time I'm going to do the alcohol extraction. I'm guessing it's alright to let the cactus dry out naturally over a month or so instead of heating it in an oven.

[synth]

it might rot...

maybe you should slice it into strips, lengthwise.

[Hippie3]

The alcohol extraction is simple. (I haven't tested iso alcohol so can't endorse it.)
-Soak the powdered cactus in a strong alcohol such as Everclear (190proof) or Bacardi 151. Use just enough to cover the powder plus an inch or more in a jar that you can shake up.
-Shake it periodically throughout the day. Every 24 hrs drain off the alcohol and set it aside. Continue this process untill the color is no longer changing, and it pours off clear.
-Combine the extractions into one tub and evaporate the alcohol using low heat or a fan. You're left with a thick tar like substance that contains the alkaloids.
Always remember your starting dry weight to better be able to judge your doses from the finished product. Example: 100 dry grams is enough for two people. 50 grams is a good dose for one trip.
This alcohol tek basically produces freebase mescaline. When it hits your stomach, though, it forms mescaline hcl by combining with all of the natural hydrochloric acid in you stomach. The reason for the alcohol extraction technique is simplicity, not efficiency. It's super easy and virtually foolproof.

sounds to me like
the best way i've heard yet.
not a fan of ISO,
ethanol's safer for lazy drunks like myself.
think i might just give
uncle mescalito a visit again.

[loochypooch]

So none of you advocate the Polar/Non-Polar extraction?

[Hippie3]

This alcohol tek basically produces freebase mescaline.

seems like that's good enough to me.
and i can grab some 190 proof everclear
at the corner liquor store...

[loochypooch]

FYI
It takes about two days to air dry the Naptha...

:reb:

[Hippie3]

i suppose that means
you are in a hurry ?
i'm not. in fact, more the opposite.
i rather like the idea of taking several days
to make a good brew, gives me time to get
my mind set right.
focused.
but to each, their own.
many roads.

[loochypooch]

Nope, no hurry. You didn't read my previous post on Non-Polar/Polar extractions. The non-polar (Naptha) wash is just a step before the Polar (Everclear) soak. It actually adds two days to the entire process. The result is supposed to be a more pure compound. I'm not sure it is worth it...but hey its more scientific I guess so that makes it funner.

:)

[Japanster]

how many doses would 1 kilo of San Pedro make with the alchohol extraction?

[synth]

most likely one, at most.

pedro potency varies greatly though.
it might be a very good trip, or it might be little more than a buzz.