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#21 waylitjim

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 10:41 PM

Hmmm, in my neck of the woods its actually $1 per cu ft more expensive than hardwood mulch... I wonder if it lasts longer than HW


This stuff has a distinct advantage to hardwood much in that the mycelium will colonize it much faster. If our goal is expansion, the easier the food is to digest, the faster the mycelium can spread. With hard woods, the mycelium has to spend a great deal of energy and time to break down the layers of cellulose and lignin, so overall growth is much slower. This is another benefit to this product. It colonizes about as fast as grain. You'll need to feed it more often, but your projects will EXPAND much faster.

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 11:18 AM

This is some good stuff waylit!

I took two 6 qt sterlites.
I put 1 inch of The scotts on the bottom,
then two 1/2 pints of popcorn to each tub.
Then another inch on top.

I tried my best to get the corn out
as an intact island, it was rather hard.
So I laid them out in a tube like fashion across the middle,
making sure all kernels were touching each other.

With the 4-6 kernels stuck to the glass in each jar,
I cut an egg carton into 3 sections,
and placed a few kernels in each egg hole.
Separating the section into different medium filter patch myco bags.

In the two tubs,
I tried two different methods.
This is my first time hydrating wood,
so I was unsure to what moisture level.
It was raining for days,
and the bag was very damp from the store,
as they were stored outside.
I made one of the tubs with wood from the damp bag,
and another from one that was hydrated in the sink,
and let to drip for a bit.

The wetter of the two seems to be doing better,
go figure, it honestly looked to wet to me.
Both cases are doing good and I can see signs of growth,
on the top, bottom and middle.
Its really only been, 10 days maybe?
I can see these tubs finishing in another 10,
easy.

My question is this.
The bottom side of the egg flats are colonized.
Should I take the kernels off it now?
Are they just a contam risk?

Same with the tubs,
how long can the corn stay in there,
without to much of a risk?
Should I let the tub go to 100% before I rip it apart,
or should it be done sooner?

If it does finish 100%,
Do I even need to take the corn out,
or can I just take the tub out as a "cube"
and place it in a bigger tube and put chips around it.

Thanks man,
this is great stuff.
I used it right out of the bag also,
and I got beautiful, healthy, white myc.
Wood lover myc is really cool to watch,
I am in awe...

In divine friendship,
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-wishy

Edited by dpwishy, 26 March 2011 - 02:07 PM.


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Posted 26 March 2011 - 11:38 AM

Thats great news dpwishy :)

I have been thinking of getting some wood lovers started and this makes things a little easier :headbang:

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 12:01 PM

Maybe somebody should try composting hardwood mulch.

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Posted 30 March 2011 - 02:39 AM

Thanks for sharing its always nice to have another option for growth mediums for our woodloving friends.:bow:

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 07:00 AM

Maybe somebody should try composting hardwood mulch.

Yes I've heard colinisation is sped up with partially composted hardwood chips. Makes sense to me as this is the sort of debris our woodloving friends would be clearing up on the forest floors in the wild and partly broken down would be easy for them to rip through.

Nice find Waylit though it pains me having to find a UK equivalent to all the supplies you ever mention :eusa_thin

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 10:58 AM

Here's a quick update on this lovely coniferous substrate... :D

http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1301587167

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#28 Ben Dover

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 11:27 AM

:amazed:

Very nice Jim!!

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 07:34 PM

that's awesome i'm gonna have to give it a try to compare the speed of course anything could be faster than the HW mulch so i guess i know where i'm gonna go saturday

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 08:26 PM

Awesome stuff waylit :bow:.

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 09:23 PM

Wow, beautiful!

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Posted 01 April 2011 - 01:24 AM

My question is this.
how long can the corn stay in there,
without to much of a risk?
Should I let the tub go to 100% before I rip it apart,
or should it be done sooner?

Thanks man,
this is great stuff.
I used it right out of the bag also,
and I got beautiful, healthy, white myc.


Hey wishy, glad you're having fun with this stuff. It's by far the best wood lover substrate I've come across. It colonizes fast, and can be used right out of the bag. I would remove the popcorn eventually, but there's no hurry. Let your tub fully colonize, and build strong mycelial connections. Then you dig out the grain spawn, and patch with fresh mulch. The grains will eventually invite various molds into your project, but this can take a few months.

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Posted 01 April 2011 - 01:33 AM

Happy 5000 th post upcoming WLJ ! So much knowledge shared , I appreciate you more than words can tell ...

My area is heavily forested with coniferous trees. Mostly spruce , hemlock , pine and larch (as well as some others). This thread has inspired me to experiment with the local wood-sources.

Keep on keeping on kind sir.

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Posted 01 April 2011 - 01:45 AM

I have been doing some of my own experimenting with pine shavings. So far they are gobbleing it up.

Love the pics by the way!

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Posted 01 April 2011 - 11:16 AM

Happy 5000 th post upcoming WLJ ! So much knowledge shared , I appreciate you more than words can tell ...


Thanks buddy, right back at cha! :love:
It's been a fun ride. It's good fun sharing ideas with each other. Not all of them work out, but I'm real happy this thread has been so 'fruitful'. :D


My area is heavily forested with coniferous trees. Mostly spruce , hemlock , pine and larch (as well as some others). This thread has inspired me to experiment with the local wood-sources.


Time to bust out the chipper again!

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Posted 01 April 2011 - 12:28 PM

4499 oopsie ... I may need glasses. I read it as 4998. Oh well it's coming soon anyways. :eusa_clap

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Posted 01 April 2011 - 01:20 PM

One of my tubs last night had a greyish color looking myc growing on top. I thought at first it could be cobweb, I let it go another day. Now that area is BRIGHT white, and more spotty than stringy like mycelium. Something tells me this is trich before it has spored. It has been moved away from the other tub until I can figure out what is wrong.

This happened in the dryer of the two tubs, weird? You would think the wetter one would have fallen to contams. Hopefully I can slow this tub down, or do something. Last frost is in about 5 days. I would like to keep this until at least then, other wise its a wasted tub.

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Posted 01 April 2011 - 01:35 PM

Hey DP , I've had those type contams you describe in the past myself. Don't be afraid to take that tub outside and remove the bad part and use the remainder to make a bed. Trich in particular slows right down outside , the woodlover should be able to overtake it quite easily ... something it has a hard time doing indoors.

Also frosts don't hamper woodlover mycelium at all , in fact I get the feeling they kind of like them. You can dig down through a foot of snow and into a woodlover bed and you'll see live white , happy mycelium. Cold is no biggie for them and at the same time it helps stave off and kill the contams.

Good luck bro.

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Posted 02 April 2011 - 12:40 AM

Beautiful, I always love seeing a nice cyanofriscosa grow.

I was curious about cedar being in the mix though, as I had always read that it is a natural anti-fungal. It looks like it all did evenly. Is cedar not anti-fungal then?

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 01:32 AM

I was curious about cedar being in the mix though, as I had always read that it is a natural anti-fungal.


Cedar may have practical anti-fungal applications in homeopathy, but these properties don't affect mycelium growth. I've personally seen Ganoderma Lucidum successfully cultivated on Red Cedar. Many will say that resinous softwoods such as pine, cedar, spruce etc. are not suitable since the mycelium is inhibited by the resins in the wood. Hopefully this thread will challenge some of these outdated opinions.




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