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Posted 14 April 2006 - 01:55 AM

I believe sporelab has it, maybe bouncing bear botanicals, and no you don't have to eat the seed mush of HBWR to trip, just do the extraction and discard that if you want... Not sure which extraction you mean that's using orange juice and lime juice, though...:eusa_thin

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Posted 14 April 2006 - 06:43 AM

HBWR preparation zero nausea quick onset guaranted
was the topic for the thread.

...um, i looked in sporelab and bouncing b but didn't see it.
bouncing bear has 12 incense but not per. torch
i looked under the cactus heading at sporelab and didn't see it.
so, i'm at a loss. unless under that heading is just incense.
Now available for a limited time only...cut, dried and ready to use as your own shamanistic talisman....(cut and pasted from Sporelab)


glad i don't have to ingest the pulp. that always sucks.

Thx

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Posted 16 April 2006 - 07:22 AM

Here in alt.drugs have been lot of talk about LSD synthesis lately.
I guess as an conclusion it can be said that the synthesis can be
carried out with good chemistry knowledge and laboratory. Then the
problem is where to get lysergic acid derivative for the synthesis.
The full synthesis of the lysergic acid is too difficult. Lysergic
acid amides can be extracted from the seeds of morning glory or
hawaiian baby wood rose, but it is not practical, because the huge
amount of seeds needed to get enough lysergic acid amides for
the LSD synthesis. To my opinion the only feasible possibility is
to cultivate ergot.

What I would like to know is how difficult it is to cultivate
Claviceps purpurea for example. Is it harder than growing psychedelic
mushrooms? Is the following procedure any good and how hard it is
to carry out? Any constructive comments?


Michael Valentine Smith: Psychedelic Chemistry

From pages 105-107:

The Culture and Extraction of Ergot Alkaloids

Make up a culture medium by combining the following ingredients in about
500 milliliters of distilled water in a 2 liter, small-neck flask:

Sucrose .......................................... 100 grams
Chick pea meal .................................... 50 grams
Calcium nitrate ..................................... 1 gram
Monopotassium phosphate ......................... 0.25 grams
Magnesium sulphate .............................. 0.25 grams
Potassium chloride ............................. 0.125 grams
Ferrous sulphate heptahydrate ................... 8.34 milligrams
Zinc sulphate heptahydrate ...................... 3.44 milligrams

Add water to make up one liter, adjust pH 4 with ammonia solution and
citric acid. Sterile by autoclaving.

Inoculate the sterilized medium with Claviceps purpurea under sterile
conditions, stopper with sterilized cotton and incubate for two weeks
periodically testing and maintaining pH 4. After two weeks a surface
culture will be seen on the medium. Large-scale production of the
fungus can now begin.

Obtain several ordinary 1 gallon jugs. Place a two-hole stopper in
the necks of the jugs. Fit a short (6 inch) glass tube in one hole,
leaving 2 inches above the stopper. Fit a short rubber tube to this.
Fill a small (500 milliliter) Erlenmeyer flask with a dilute solution
of sodium hypochlorite, and extend a glass tube from the rubber tube
so the end is immersed in the hypochlorite. Fit a long, glass tube in
the other stopper hole. It must reach near the bottom of the jug and
have about two inches showing above the stopper. Attach a rubber tube
to the glass tube as short or as long as desired, and fit a short glass
tube to the end of the rubber tube. Fill a large, glass tube (1 inch x
6 inches) with sterile cotton and fit 1-hole stoppers in the ends.
Fit the small, glass tube in end of the rubber tube into 1 stopper of
the large tube. Fit another small glass tube in the other stopper.
A rubber tube is connected to this and attached to a small air pump
obtained from a tropical fish supply store. You now have a set-up for
pumping air from the pump, through the cotton filter, down the long
glass tube in the jug, through the solution to the air space in the top
of the jug, through the short glass tube, down to the bottom of the
Erlenmeyer flask and up through the sodium hypochlorite solution into
the atmosphere. With this aeration equipment you can assure a supply
of clean air to the Claviceps purpurea fungus while maintaining a
sterile atmosphere inside the solution.

Dismantle the aerators. Place all the glass tubes, rubber tubes,
stoppers and cotton in a paper bag, seal tight with wire staples
and sterilize in an autoclave.

Fill the 1-gallon jugs 2/3 to 3/4 full with the culture medium and
autoclave.

While these things are being sterilized, homogenize in a blender the
culture already obtained and use it to inoculate the media in the
gallon jugs. The blender must be sterile. Everything must be sterile.

Assemble the aerators. Start the pumps. A slow bubbling in each jug
will provide enough oxygen to the cultures. A single pump can, of
course, be connected to several filters.

Let everything sit a room temperature (25 C) in a fairly dark place
(never expose ergot alkaloids to bright light - they decompose) for
a period of ten days.

After ten days adjust the culture to 1% ethanol using 95% ethanol
under sterile conditions. Maintain growth for another two weeks.

After total of 24 days growth period the culture should be considered
mature. Make the culture acidic with tartaric acid and homogenize in
a blender for one hour.

Adjust to pH 9 with ammonium hydroxide and extract with benzene or
chloroform/iso-butanol mixture.

Extract again with alcoholic tartaric acid and evaporate in a vacuum
to dryness. The dry material in the salt (i.e., the tartaric acid salt,
the tartrate) of the ergot alkaloids, and is stored in this form because
the free basic material is too unstable and decomposes readily in the
presence of light, heat, moisture and air.

To recover the free base for extraction of the amide of synthesis to
LSD, make the tartrate basic with ammonia to pH 9, extract with chloroform
and evaporate in vacuo.

If no source of pure Claviceps purpurea fungus can be found, it may be
necessary to make a field trip to obtain the ergot growths from rye or
other cereal grasses. Rye grass is by far the best choice. The ergot will
appear as a blackish growth on the tops of the rye where the seeds are
and are referred to as "heads of ergot." From these heads of ergot sprout
the Claviceps purpurea fungi. They have long steams with bulbous heads when
seen under a strong glass or microscope. It is these that must be removed
from the ergot, free from contamination, and used to inoculate the culture
media. The need for absolute sterility cannot be overstressed. Consult any
elementary text on bacteriology for the correct equipment and procedures.
Avoid prolonged contact with ergot compounds, as they are poisonous and
can be fatal.

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Posted 16 April 2006 - 07:22 AM

any one as try this formula?

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Posted 16 April 2006 - 07:28 AM

Ergot grows on a large variety of cereal grains--especially rye--in a slightly curved, fusiform shape with sclerotia replacing individual grains on the host plant. The sclerotia contain a large number of potent pharmacologic agents, the ergot alkaloids. One of the most powerful is isoergine (lysergic acid amide). This alkaloid, with 10 percent of the activity of a D-LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide), is also found in ololiuqui (morning glory seeds), the ritual hallucinogenic drugs used by the Aztecs .
Warm, damp, rainy springs and summers favor ergot infestations. Summer rye is more prone to the development of the sclerotia than winter rye, and one field may be heavily ergotized while the adjacent field is not. The fungus may dangerously parasitize a crop one year and not reappear again for many years. Contamination of the grain may occur in varying concentrations. Modern agriculturalists advise farmers not to feed their cattle grain containing more than one to three sclerotia per thousand kernels of grain, since ergot has deleterious effects on cattle as well as on humans.
Ergotism, or long-term ergot poisoning, was once a common condition resulting from eating contaminated rye bred. In some epidemics it appears that females were more liable to the disease than males. Children and pregnant women are most likely to be affected by the condition, and individual susceptibility varies widely. It takes 2 years for ergot in powdered form to reach 50 percent deterioration, and the effects are cumulative. There are two types of ergotism--gangrenous and convulsive. As the name implies, gangrenous ergotism is characterized by dry gangrene of the extremities followed by the falling away of the affected portions of the body. The condition occurred in epidemic proportions in the Middle Ages and was known by a number of names, including ignis sacer, the holy fire.
Convulsive ergotism is characterized by a number of symptoms. These include crawling sensations in the skin, tingling in the fingers, vertigo, tinnitus aurium, headaches, disturbances in sensation, hallucination, painful muscular contractions leading to epileptiform convulsions, vomiting, and diarrhea. The involuntary muscular fibers such as the myocardium and gastric and intestinal muscular coat are stimulated. There are mental disturbances such as mania, melancholia, psychosis, and delirium.


also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergot

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Posted 16 April 2006 - 09:24 AM

Thank you Hippie3
what about a source of spores?
do you know any body whos has a spores print?

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Posted 16 April 2006 - 01:41 PM

And I must ask here-People say handleing raw ergot can cause gangreen ect?


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Posted 16 April 2006 - 01:43 PM

Thank you Hippie3
what about a source of spores?
do you know any body whos has a spores print?



Dude, I think you need to learn and accept the fact that you'll never make LSD unless you know a chemist who can make it that will teach you or you spend a lot of time in school. Otherwise you'll just hurt yourself and possibly others.

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Posted 16 April 2006 - 02:31 PM

thanks.

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Posted 16 April 2006 - 06:00 PM

Thank you Hippie3
what about a source of spores?
do you know any body whos has a spores print?

in case you haven't read your own post:

" If no source of pure Claviceps purpurea fungus can be found, it may be
necessary to make a field trip to obtain the ergot growths from rye or
other cereal grasses. Rye grass is by far the best choice. The ergot will
appear as a blackish growth on the tops of the rye where the seeds are
and are referred to as "heads of ergot." From these heads of ergot sprout
the Claviceps purpurea fungi. They have long steams with bulbous heads when seen under a strong glass or microscope. It is these that must be removed from the ergot, free from contamination, and used to inoculate the culture media. The need for absolute sterility cannot be overstressed. Consult any elementary text on bacteriology for the correct equipment and procedures. Avoid prolonged contact with ergot compounds, as they are poisonous and can be fatal. "

No one here grows ergot, that I know of, nor do they want to risk it.. It is difficult/risky to acquire the fungus, then culture it, only to find out you have a strain that produces little or no alkaloids.. You would need to know how to isolate the dangerous fungus on agar and grow it out to find a high alkaloid producing stran.. And once again, you are not going to make LSD without extensive knowledge of chemistry.. IF you want to start with ergot, then you'll need a working knowledge of mycology, as well.. Get to studying easier things and then work your way up, or else I doubt you'll get anywhere with your ideas...

Good Luck!!

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Posted 16 April 2006 - 06:10 PM

lol. sorry to have to say it. but dude seriously. your other thread got binned. your not a qualified chemist. so your not going to be able to create LSD in some weird makeshift kind of way. its just not possible. and if it was, there would be LSD around so you wouldent have to make your own.
most the shit out there people sell to you as LSD isnt. ive tried buying LSD a few times recently and eachtime it was deffinatly not LSD. my best guess would be LSA which is one step down really. but soem people like it more...
i miss LSD. i had like 8 t trips if i remember correctly.
i wish i could mix that with some MDMA...

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Posted 16 April 2006 - 09:32 PM

interesting discussion.. got me wondering
i've heard that ergot is dangerous to keep and work with.. but what exactly is required for it to cause symptoms
i mean i know you don't wanna eat it..
but can mear contact with the fungus do anything
or breathing in the spores
i mean i remember somebody telling me they used to work on a farm and used to have to pick out infected grains, and that they never got sick or anything
everything i've heard about people getting sick had to do with them eating infected grain... if all you have to do is not eat it, it doesn't seem like it would be that hard to work with... and even if your not supposed to let it touch you it still doesn't seem too hard... now if it is dangerous as an inhaliant then that would make things a bit more trick..
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Posted 16 April 2006 - 10:26 PM

interesting discussion.. got me wondering
i've heard that ergot is dangerous to keep and work with.. but what exactly is required for it to cause symptoms
i mean i know you don't wanna eat it..
but can mear contact with the fungus do anything
or breathing in the spores
i mean i remember somebody telling me they used to work on a farm and used to have to pick out infected grains, and that they never got sick or anything
everything i've heard about people getting sick had to do with them eating infected grain... if all you have to do is not eat it, it doesn't seem like it would be that hard to work with... and even if your not supposed to let it touch you it still doesn't seem too hard... now if it is dangerous as an inhaliant then that would make things a bit more trick..
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It's not so much just the fungus that is harmful, but they are one of the more difficult alkaloids to work with(ergot alkaloids) and if trying to use them to create any usable drug, then slight miscalculations or mistakes could end up very badly... The ergot alkaloids are used in medicine as vasoconstrictors and as an oxytocic (induces uterine contractions), plus the effects are accumulative, meaning it stays in the body (probably where the rumopr that SD stays in your spine came from).. It can cause any number of teh symptoms listed above..

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Posted 17 April 2006 - 06:57 AM

can near contact with the fungus do anything
or breathing in the spores


yes, as i understand. ergot must be worked with inside hazmat hoods,
one cannot safely touch it nor breath it, etc.

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Posted 17 April 2006 - 09:14 AM

You don't need ergots to get the ergotamine precurser you're looking for. Only one other organism besides claviceps produces the chemical and it's a bioluminescent mushroom that's fairly common. See my post about it here: http://mycotopia.net...ight=ergotamine

The old link is no longer valid in that post so here is a substitute I googled. It's not the original page I found back then and it wasn't a post from the nook but at least someone else has seen it too.
If you're not a nook member click:http://72.14.203.104...us&ct=clnk&cd=1

Nook members click: http://forum.thenook...?showtopic=4211

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Posted 17 April 2006 - 09:23 AM

that link is dead ?
i'd need more info and independent confirmation
to get excited.

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Posted 17 April 2006 - 09:35 AM

Omphalotus olearius
synonyms: Clitocybe de l'olivier, Ölbaumpilz, Pleurote de l'olivier

http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1145284595

location: Europe
edibility: Poisonous/Suspect
fungus colour: Yellow, Orange
normal size: 5-15cm
cap type: Funnel shaped
stem type: Lateral, rudimentary or absent
flesh: Mushroom has distinct or odd smell (non mushroomy)
spore colour: White, cream or yellowish
habitat: Grows in woods, Grows on wood

Omphalotus olearius (DC. ex Fr.) Sing. syn. Clitocybe olearia (Fr. ex DC.) Maire Ölbaumpilz Clitocybe de l'olivier, Pleurote de l'olivier. Cap 5–10cm across, strongly depressed to funnel-shaped, bright orange. Stem 40–140 x 7–28mm, wavy and tapering towards the base, paler than cap. Flesh yellowish, darkening towards the stem base. Taste not distinctive, smell strong and unpleasant. Gills decurrent, golden to orange. Spore print white. Spores subglobose, 5–7´4.5–6.5m. Habitat on the roots or at the base of trunks of certain trees; oak and chestnut in Britain, frequently on olive in Europe. Season autumn. Distribution, Europe. Very rare. Poisonous.
This fungus may be seen to glow in the dark, the phosphorescence coming from the gills when the spores are mature.

- http://rogersmushrooms.com

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Posted 17 April 2006 - 11:52 AM

I was trying to tell folks in chat in chat when I found it but everyone seemed non-plussed. 2 months later there's a bit o' excitement in the air. I found the info looking for exotic bioluminescent mushroom spores to grow. Jack-O-Lantern is fairly common in the US . They glow effect you see from them is very minimal and bright glowing pics of them are from long exposure time photography. Maybe FMRC, Buckaroo or someone else can shed some light on it's favored areas to grow,distribution across the states, and more about it's alkaloid composition? It's not illegal as far as I know to grow these. Here's another pic :http://www.sunflower.../Omphalotus.jpg

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Posted 17 April 2006 - 12:25 PM

OK, let's say I know where a load of these are -

Why should I get excited, in other words,
what would I do with 'em to go from shroom to blotter?

:)

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Posted 17 April 2006 - 12:27 PM

You'd have to extract the alkaloids from the mushroom and go from there. But at least it won't kill you or give you gangreen and isn't a pain in the ass to grow as far as I know.




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