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#1 chefpjb1



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Posted 06 April 2005 - 07:18 PM

OK. Here we go. I am using the Alien's Tek.

I have some pint jars I noced multispore 3 weeks ago. Half my jars are 90% or more colonized. Some are only have the size of a dime to go. The other half are like 70 to 85 or so percent colonized.

Should I shake them up. Keep in mind the substrate in the jars are not as loose as rye or popcorn, they wont break up as smoothly. I also have that top verm layer. Will I invite contams?
Will the verm layer be spread out and keep the myc from colonizing?
If shaking is an option what would be a safe way of doing so? I only have tin foil over the top of the jars no tape or or other filter.

I would like to use all 12 jars at the same time.

In the past i used 1/2 pt jars and I was making my substrate layer in my casings way to thin. Only two jars of substrate to a 13x9x2 inch pan. Now I am planning to use two 1pt jars to that size pan. What do you all think?

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#2 cutty


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Posted 06 April 2005 - 07:35 PM

I would just leave em alone bro shaking might invite contams if the verm falls below near your sub,There could be bacteria trapped in those "Dime sized" spots you talk of.If you see no growth in those spots in a few days I'd birth em and cut that spot out.Dont forget that 3 weeks is fast for 1 pints to fully colo so you still should maybe wait a few more days atleast.Thats my opinion.

Good luck.

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 09:17 PM

Agreed. Don't bother shaking.

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 09:24 PM

if you shake it more than three times, your playing with yourself

#5 mwillis71



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Posted 21 October 2005 - 08:54 PM

A FOAF had done really good in the past with spawning on popcorn. The problem is that he is wanting to start again after a year or two of a break and can't remember whether you should shake your quart jars when the popcorn is around 10% colonized or not. He seems to remember that it was suppose to help the even distribution of myc within the jar. However, he isn't sure that he is remembering correctly and doesn't want to stall any growth. Does anyone have any advice?


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Posted 21 October 2005 - 09:00 PM

I like to shake the holy heck out of my grain jars immedietly after inoculation. Then when I see a few quarter sized spots of growth, I gently shake it or roll it around to mix it some more. Then I leave it without shaking it again.

Popcorn is pretty airy in the jar so not much shaking is required imho.

#7 mwillis71



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Posted 21 October 2005 - 09:12 PM

Thanks Freak, I'll let em know!

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Posted 24 October 2005 - 08:30 AM

Yup, shaking like freak said is great. If your spores are distributed well enough from the innitial shake then it may not be necessary to shake again but it will certainly not hurt anything.

#9 Hippie3



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Posted 24 October 2005 - 08:33 AM

popcorn should not be shaken thereafter, imo.
shake at inoculation
then let it be.

#10 blackout



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Posted 24 October 2005 - 10:08 AM

add enough LC and you never have to shake after the initial innoculation shake. I leave my grain purposely dry, sometimes bone dry.

#11 funguess



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Posted 12 December 2005 - 09:34 AM

heres my friends rye grain jars. they look about half colonized or so. should he give em a good shake now or wait till 100% colonization? he also wants to know if a coco coir/verm casing would be alright for this type of grain. any thoughts/suggestions?

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Posted 12 December 2005 - 09:58 AM

The jar on the far right definintely needs to be shaken to speed up colonization. The other two jars should be left alone, imo.
What are you going to do? Are you going to dump them into trays and case the grain directly or are you going to spawn those to another substrate?

#13 funguess



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Posted 12 December 2005 - 10:14 AM

you cant really see it but the other side of the jar on the far right is covered as much as the other two jars(sorry forgot to state that). i think my friends gonna case grain directly in foil trays. should he only shake jars right before hes about to case? i heared your supposed to shake sometime before that.

#14 OZ



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Posted 24 December 2005 - 03:50 PM

if it were my jar i would shake em

#15 aettis



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Posted 28 February 2006 - 12:00 PM

Just checked on one of my ecuadorian jars last night. At the point of inoculation an area of myc. the size of a nickel was present. I decided, just for this jar and at an early (well I feel that it is early) time, I tried shaking, as I have read this helps disperse the myc. to other areas of your spawn so it begins to colonize faster and in greater area. Going to see how that comes in the next couple of days.. I now have lowered my incubating temp. to 80 degrees. F as well.

When it comes to putting together a casing does one want to do this inside of a glovebox or does anyone do it just in an open kitchen?

Very excited right now. I had some left over W.F.F. so I prepped a 1/2 pint jar and used one of the three spore prints I made from my A+ strain run--my first grow log here. I am very excited to see how this strain reactes to grains and being cased!!

Thanks again to all.


#16 Hippie3



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Posted 01 March 2006 - 11:30 AM

while casing isn't a sterile procedure
it's still wise to work
in the cleanest available area.
so if you can do it in a glovebox
then by all means do so.
if you must work instead in the kitchen
at least give a thorough cleaning/moping first
and remove any trash/garbage/dirty dishes, etc.

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Posted 01 March 2006 - 11:36 AM

Those are good points given by Hippie.

Also, don't breath or cough or sneeze while you are working. Clean hands (gloved hands) and don't make fast movements.

I like to have everything I need layed out and cleaned when spawning/casing. Then do a bleach mist of the area.
while the bleach mist settles, I shower and pull my hair back, brush my teeth. Then its time to work :)

#18 xxanxx



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Posted 01 March 2006 - 01:35 PM

^Perfect - that's how open air inoculations should be done as well. Also important to check drafts/heating vents/etc.. I like to wear a facemask when casing as I don't usually do it in front of the hood.

#19 mycobri


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Posted 15 April 2006 - 11:44 AM

This jar is not my only hope, but it is the only hope for re-producing an unknown strain from a past grow. The mycelium has stalled out after 3 weeks growing super slow. It is very white and healthy, but i see what i think might be hyphal knots (white dots), starting to appear and the jar is not colonized much more than the pic. Should i shake to distribute the growth?
Or any other suggestion, i really want to get at least a good print from this mystery strain.

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#20 Hippie3



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Posted 15 April 2006 - 11:52 AM

doesn't look good.
bacteria in there i'd say.
don't think i'd risk shaking that.
proly better to open it and salvage
what you can- the fully colonized portions.

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