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Who is Mescalito?

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#1 PsychonautPower



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Posted 23 April 2011 - 05:49 PM

Wiki says it means peyote...

#2 calistoner


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Posted 23 April 2011 - 05:55 PM

hes the spirit that lies inside the peyote.

carlos casteneda might be someone you want to check into for more info on him and mescaline :)

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 06:09 PM

Thanks. This is what i have found about it. Does anyone want to add to this?


Castaneda writes that Don Juan, in describing his teacher, used the word diablero. Later, Castaneda learned that diablero is a term used only by the Sonoran Indians and "refers to an evil person who practices black sorcery and is capable of transforming himself into an animal --- a bird, a dog, a coyote, or any other creature."

The word diablero has since fallen into the common lexicon. The same is true for the term "Mescalito." Before Castaneda and his use of the word, attributed to Don Juan, nobody had heard of it. According to Jay Courtney Fikes, who has field researched peyote both in theroy and practice with as much depth as almost anybody in the field if not more so, says "Mescalito," the name that Don Juan gave to the peyote deity as well as peyote, has never been mentioned by any of the seventy distinct tribes within the United States who subscribe to or use peyote as part of their religious ceremonies. Nor is the term "Mescalito" used or known to members of Mexican Indian tribes such as the Tarahumara or Huichol, "whose reverence for peyote is unsurpassed."

In Castaneda's second book A SEPARATE REALITY: Further Conversations With Don Juan (1971), in the section called "The Preliminaries of 'Seeing,'" on or near the September 8, 1968, date Castaneda lists in his book, Castaneda, listening to Don Juan talking with the shaman-sorcerer's 30 year old grandson Lucio, hears Don Juan confirm that Mescalito and peyote are basically interchangable words for the same thing:

"Is Mescalito peyote, Grandpa?" Lucio asked curiously.

"Some people call it that way," don Juan said dryly. "I prefer to call it Mescalito."

The two of them go back and forth discussing a bunch of things on and off ending up with:

"If all of you know that Macario (a Yaqui Indian who lived there) is a liar, how can you believe him when he talks about Mescalito?"

"Do you mean peyote, Grandpa?" Lucio asked, as if he were really struggling to make sense out of the term.

"God damn it! Yes!"

Don Juan's tone was sharp and abrupt. Lucio recoiled involuntarily, and for a moment I felt they were all afraid. Then don Juan smiled broadly and continued in a mild tone.

In Castaneda's first book, THE TEACHINGS OF DON JUAN: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge, in a section called A Structural Analysis he explains what is meant by the term Mescalito. He does so in such clear and precise way that to read it then try to rewrite it or explain it in a different set of words, in a transliteration sort of way, would water down or miss the point in what he is trying to say. Thus said, the following on mescalito is presented in Castaneda's own words:

Mescalito was purported to be a unique power, similar to an Ally in the sense that it allowed one to transcend the boundaries of ordinary reality, but also quite different from an ally. Like an ally, Mescalito was contained in a definite plant, the cactus Lophophora williamsii. But unlike an ally, which was merely contained in a plant, Mescalito and this plant in which it was contained were the same; the plant was the centre of overt manifestations of respect, the recipient of profound veneration. Don Juan firmly believed that under certain conditions, such as a state of profound acquiescence to Mescalito, the simple act of being contiguous to the cactus would induce a state of non-ordinary reality.

But Mescalito did not have a rule, and for that reason it was not an ally even though it was capable of transporting a man outside the boundaries of ordinary reality. Not having a rule not only barred Mescalito from being used as an ally, for without a rule it could not conceivably be manipulated, but also made it a power remarkably different from an ally.

As a direct consequence of not having a rule, Mescalito was available to any man without the need of a long apprenticeship or the commitment to manipulatory techniques, as with an ally. And because it was available without any training, Mescalito was said to be a protector. To be a protector meant that it was accessible to anyone. Yet Mescalito as a protector was not accessible to every man, and with some individuals it was not compatible. According to don Juan, such incompatibility was caused by the discrepancy between Mescalito's 'unbending morality' and the individual's own questionable character.

Mescalito was also a teacher. It was supposed to exercise didactic functions. It was a director, a guide to proper behaviour. Mescalito taught the right way. Don Juan's idea of the right way seemed to be a sense of propriety, which consisted, not of righteousness in terms of morality, but of a tendency to simplify behavioural patterns in terms of the efficacy promoted by his teachings. Don Juan believed Mescalito taught simplification of behaviour.

Mescalito was believed to be an entity. And as such it was purported to have a definite form that was usually not constant or predictable. This quality implied that Mescalito was perceived differently not only by different men, but also by the same man on different occasions. Don Juan expressed this idea in terms of Mescalito's ability to adopt any conceivable form. For individuals with whom it was compatible, however, it adopted an unchanging form after they had partaken of it over a period of years.

The non-ordinary reality produced by Mescalito was utilizable, and in this respect was identical with that induced by an ally. The only difference was the rationale don Juan used in his teachings for eliciting it: one was supposed to seek ' Mescalito's lessons on the right way'.

The non-ordinary reality produced by Mescalito also had component elements, and here again the states of non-ordinary reality induced by Mescalito and by an ally were identical. In both, the characteristics of the component elements were stability, singularity, and lack of consensus.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 06:27 PM

Ive never tried any cacti of any sort but ive heard people refer to the underlying grid of energy that links all people who have ever tried mescaline as mescalito

Hope I can meet him at some point in my travels :)

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 07:06 PM

he is you, he is me, he is the ground you stand on. that makes three, so im calling him "we"....

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 07:07 PM

Rick Griffin made a an artist rendition..see my avatar ...The original is going for 20 grand or so.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 11:47 PM

I'm going to move this over to Storming the Gates for you.

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 10:28 AM

"Is Mescalito your ally?"

"No! Mescalito is another kind of power. A unique power! A protector, a teacher."

"What makes Mescalito different from an ally?"

"He can't be tamed and used as an ally is tamed and used. Mescalito is outside oneself. He chooses to show himself in many forms to whoever stands in front of him, regardless of whether the person is a brujo or a farm boy."

- Don Juan spoke with deep fervor about Mescalito's being the teacher of the proper way to live.

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