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#1 LotRev

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Posted 22 April 2006 - 02:45 AM

Hey I'm about to get a bunch of HBWR seeds in and I'm going to extract the toxins with Ronsonol Light Fluid, in the hopes to avoid stomach cramps - how many times should I soak them? This will be my first experience with LSA, but it sounds interesting...however, my experiences have always proven to me that when things are legal, there is a reason for that, its not that great - any opinions?

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Posted 22 April 2006 - 03:44 AM

2-3 times, accordingly.


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#3 LotRev

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Posted 22 April 2006 - 01:34 PM

Thanks Elf -

Think those soaks should be overnight? hours? or days?

Is it cool to eat the seeds after the toxin extraction? or should I do a full alcohol extraction as well?

All of this to avoid what sounds like pretty bad stomach crams...

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Posted 22 April 2006 - 01:47 PM

A Method for the Extraction and Usage of LSA from Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds or Morning Glory Seeds (15 medium doses)

HBWR: To dose, you don't have to remove all the shell, but just take a pocket knife and scrape all the "dark-brown" stuff off until the seed is completely a "creme" color.

Items you will need:
128 HBWR seeds (No hulls); seeds only. Or 3,500 MG seeds.

A 50ml liquor bottle. These are the small 'airplane'-sized ones. It should state 50ml on it.
A quantity of non-polar solvent. Coleman's White gas is perfect.
190 proof Everclear, or Vodka. Ethanol. (Bacardi 151)
A small funnel comes in handy.
A couple small jars with good lids.
Some coffee filters.

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Extraction Instructions:

Grind the seeds to a powder in a coffee grinder. Place the powder into a small jar and pour in enough of the White gas to fully cover the seeds. You can't really use too much, but leave enough room so it shakes well. Screw on the lid and shake well for a few minutes. Let it sit for an hour or so, shaking every so often. Shaking is good.

Pour the seed / solvent solution through a coffee filter and let it drain. Putting the coffee filter into a funnel first works well. The solvent is no longer needed but can be re-used, so save it. Spread out the seed mush on the coffee filter which it is in, on a plate or something, and let the seeds fully dry out. You should smell no solvent when it's fully evaporated. It may take a couple of hours. Don't breathe the solvent fumes, if you can help it.

Once the seeds are fully dried place the powder into a clean small jar, with a good tight fitting lid. Fill the 50ml liquor bottle with your Ethanol (this is to measure it) and then dump that amount into the small jar with the seed powder. Shake well. This should sit for 3 days and shake it whenever you think of it.

Okay 3 days have passed, it's almost time. Again, stick a coffee filter in a funnel and then pour the Ethanol / Seed solution into the filter. Let it drain thoroughly. Once it's close you can squeeze out excess alcohol, but be careful not to break the filter. You can now discard the seeds, as the good stuff is in the alcohol solution that's left.

Now pour the solution into the 50ml liquor bottle and let it sit for a couple of hours. Any seed powder remaining in the solution will settle to the bottom. Once it has, pour off the alcohol, rinse the seed crap out of the bottle, and pour the alcohol solution back in. Add enough of the clean alcohol to fill the bottle and you're done. You now have 50ml of drinkable alcohol containing the extract from 150 HBWR seeds, which should be a yellowish, clear liquid, that looks much like tequila.

Normal dosage of HBWR is 5-12 seeds, MG about 200-400 seeds and it's easy to measure. You can either get an oral syringe at any drug store that has a 1-5ml gradated gauge on the side, or use measuring spoons. 1tsp=5ml of liquid. 1ml of the 'tincture' = 3 seeds. I've found that 3ml of the liquid works very well. Mix with water, or anything else.

This method works very well, is easy to dose, easy to prepare, and you should not experience any nausea. Also, because the LSA's are extracted they take way less longer to start working. Expect to feel the effects within an hour.

Keep your little bottle in the fridge. Heat is bad for all tryptamines.
Something to note: You can evaporate off the alcohol and you will be left with the alkaloids which you can put into gel caps etc. But, this is harder to dose, etc. I've found the alcohol method very easy and precise



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Posted 22 April 2006 - 01:49 PM

http://mycotopia.net...read.php?t=5080

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http://mycotopia.net...read.php?t=3560

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Posted 22 April 2006 - 01:54 PM

Haha, its funny how after a couple weeks of research, I kept making it to those threads over and over again - the best of the best I guess. However I would still like to know if anyone has done the toxin extraction and eaten them thereafter.


Thanks again Hippie

#7 LotRev

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Posted 22 April 2006 - 01:57 PM

Well I spoke too soon, one of those I have not seen -

thanks!!

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Posted 22 April 2006 - 01:58 PM

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Posted 22 April 2006 - 03:15 PM

Hey guys, I hope someone is interested to hear more about this stuff -
I just now received the seeds, and I am going to start the extraction process with lighter fluid first -

HBWR Extraction Pictorial

I will post all the pictures, starting right now...here is the process in order with the pictures:
  • Got the package in the mail, some seeds and a card for Iamshaman.com
    hbwrseed.jpg
  • Not For Human Consumption :eusa_shhh
    donotconsume.jpg
  • The supplies needed for this extraction:
    Seeds, a glass, wick lighter fluid (Ronsonol here), a lighter, coffee filters, a grinder (in my case some plyers and sandwich bags) -
    sorry for the blurry picture, oh and who knows how that other stuff got in there, but trust me, it's needed
    supplies.jpg
  • 4 doses of 8 seeds each removed from bag
    32seeds.jpg
  • Proceed to flame each of the seeds with the lighter for a couple brief seconds to remove any hairiness on the shell
    flame.jpg
  • I did not have a grinder, so I put the seeds in a double sandwich bag and crushed them up with plyers from the outside of the bag
    crushing.jpg
  • Placed crushed up seeds and anything stuck in the bag into cup
    crushed.jpg
  • Take your Ronsonol/Zippo wick lighter fluid that contains Naphtha (they all do)
    fluid.jpg
    and cover the crushed seeds with enough fluid that they are all submerged and soaking
    hbwrsoak.jpg
  • Let the seeds soak and stir occassionally
OK, so thats where we are so far, I will continue to photograph and update, any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Posted 22 April 2006 - 03:28 PM

:cool:

#11 LotRev

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Posted 22 April 2006 - 03:30 PM

Also, does anyone think it would work to burn the lighter fluid off the seeds after each soak? Lighter fluid tends to burn it self up very quickly without transferring the heat...unless its soaked in, so I'm thinking it may burn them up.

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Posted 22 April 2006 - 03:43 PM

I would think they would be saturated and probably best not to light them.

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Posted 22 April 2006 - 05:12 PM

Here is what came next:

It has been a 2-3 hours and I am doing the first strain
  • Mixture was poured into a cup filtered by one coffee filter - the filter is held with a rubberband
    strain.jpg
  • Here is the product -
    strain2.jpg
    Let it drain out until the lighter fluid has evaporated, I put it in the sunlight through the window

I may be heading out of town tonight. If so, I will soak the seeds in the lighter fluid overnight.

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Posted 22 April 2006 - 06:38 PM

cool, nice to see pix.
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Posted 23 April 2006 - 02:33 AM

So I am back in town - left for the evening and arrived back now around 2:30

As I said in last post, the seeds have been in a second soak since I left, but I will not leave them all night, instead I am going to strain them in the coffee filter all night...

After that I will soak them in lighter fluid one more time for the whole day tomorrow, seeing as where I live you cannot buy liquor on sundays...lame

By the way, the only thing missing from the first picture set is the liquor, I will be using everclear as the second extractor.

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 04:23 AM

:crazy1: :teeth:

I like where this is going!


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Posted 23 April 2006 - 06:31 AM

:cool:
edited for format.

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 06:40 AM

wow that looks really nice!
well done write-up, Lotrev :)

i'm not one for the subject matter, LSA extraction isnt my cup o tea, but ill be damned if it aint well laid-out

good stuff here, great formatting job, too hip--you make miracles, sometimes :D

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 08:38 AM

Interesting - I'm curious to see how it turns out,
especially the final dosing.

I've heard varied reports on this stuff,
it'll be cool to have a firsthand pictoral
with results.

thanks!

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#20 LotRev

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 01:08 PM

OK, thanks guys for checking this out, its great to have some interested people watching this thing - I am very interested to see the turn out as well - heres where we are...

I woke up this morning and the seed substance was completely dry from the fluid (thats good) - I let the cup sit in the window for the sun to hit it in the morning, so the fluid evaporated quickly.

As I said in the last post, I have a problem. I cannot go out to get any liquor for the next step, so now I have the seeds soaking ONE more time in the lighter fluid (same as the steps above). The plan is to finish the soak throughout the day, occassionally stirring - at that point I will strain it all out one more time, then on Monday, I will get the grain alcohol to extract what I want from this -

I am hoping this thread can end all threads of people needing to extract at home - we will see how this thing turns out, and if I come up with stomach cramps we will know the myth.

If you are wondering what the fluid should come up with, it will look something like this...
a sort of brown looking misty substance floating in what could be considered just a cup of lighter fluid I suppose.

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