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Posted 23 January 2005 - 10:15 AM

Hallucinogenic Drug for Alcoholism Treatment?

Ibogaine Cuts Alcohol Craving in Study of Lab Mice

By Miranda Hitti
WebMD Medical News

Jan. 20, 2005 -- A naturally occurring drug called ibogaine may yield new treatments for alcoholism.

Ibogaine has been shown to reverse addiction to various drugs. Some reports have shown that even after a single dose cravings and withdrawal to cocaine and narcotics-type pain relievers such as morphine can be reduced, say researchers from the University of California San Francisco (UCSF).

According to the researchers, drug abuse/addiction activates reward regions in the brain. Despite the negative consequences of alcohol, addiction to alcohol manifests itself as uncontrolled drinking.

In lab tests, alcohol-addicted mice drank less alcohol after being injected with ibogaine. Ibogaine also helped the mice stay "on the wagon" after being weaned off alcohol.

That may sound promising, since there are few drugs to help treat alcoholism.drugs to help treat alcoholism. But there's a big catch.

Ibogaine is a hallucinogen, and at high doses it's toxic to certain nerve cells, which can lead to body tremors and difficulty walking, according to studies done on rodents. That's why ibogaine -- which comes from the root bark of an African shrub -- is not approved for human use in the U.S. Still, word has gotten around about ibogaine over the years.

The UCSF team -- which included Dao-Yao He -- tested ibogaine on mice. First, they trained the mice to drink enough alcohol to create an addiction. Next, they gave the mice a weekly injection of ibogaine.

Alcohol Cravings Curbed

After the ibogaine injection, alcohol consumption of the mice dropped sharply. The ibogaine injections also helped the mice resist the temptation to start drinking again after being deprived of alcohol for two weeks.

"Interestingly, human anecdotal reports also suggest a decrease in craving and relapse to addictive drugs after ibogaine intake," say the researchers in the Jan. 19 edition of The Journal of Neuroscience.

The key to ibogaine's influence seems to be its ability to boost levels of a growth factor called glial cell line-deprived neurotrophic factor (GDNF). It is found in reward regions of the brain linked to addiction. Evidence for that came by testing the brains of the mice for signs of ibogaine's impact on GDNF levels.

The researchers aren't suggesting ibogaine for human use. There is too much uncertainty about safe doses and the drug's hallucinogenic and other side effects, they say. However, the findings may lead to the development of other drug approaches to treat alcoholism without the undesirable effects of ibogaine.

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Posted 24 January 2005 - 02:43 PM

Pharmaceuticle companys aren't in any big hurry to research a 'one shot wonder drug' even with all the promise it has for alcholism and opaite addictions. Sad but true, it's all about profits, and they stand to make so much more with a drug that requires an endless prescription(methadone, Bodoxin<sp)If you do some searches on the web there are some really positive results on the drug Ibogaine......miracle drug in need of further research.
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Posted 24 January 2005 - 10:29 PM

same with studies that MAPs has done and has been trying to do for decades on the potential for psylocybin and mescalin for treating various mental illness like obsessive compulsive and anxiety disorders (obviously low dose and coupled with therapy sessions) Unfortunately the pharmeceutical companies just have too much to gain from the scrips they are currently handing out for these disorders because they are lifelong treatments that focus on popping a pill once a day instead of making a profound change in your life and the way you think. No big deal; those of us in the know can just keep on self-medicating [negative stigma attached to the term being laughed at]
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Posted 13 January 2005 - 05:24 PM


American Drug and Alcohol Addicts Are Going Abroad in Search Of
Ibogaine, a Purported Miracle Treatment That Is Banned in the United
States. Will the Drug Industry Ever Embrace a Substance That Causes A
Hallucinatory High?

The first thing was a loud buzzing in his ears, as though a swarm of
bees was swirling around his head. Then the hallucinations kicked in.
The patterns in the blanket tacked to the ceiling above him glowed
vibrantly and then began transforming into the faces of members of his
family, faces that turned themselves inside-out and back again. He saw
his father finding him dead with a needle in his arm. He saw himself
in a beautiful field of flowers. He saw Jesus standing outside the
Earth, creating different races of men and placing them on different
continents. While Shawn's mind reeled through this visual cacophony,
his body lay quietly in a darkened room in a house near Tijuana,
Mexico, deep in the grip of a powerful psychedelic drug. The South
Sacramento house where he lived with his father was far, far away.
Shawn (who asked that his real name not be printed) was in Tijuana
because he was desperate. He was addicted to heroin and cocaine, a
suffocating habit that had landed him in jail several times and had
left him so wretched--even when he was out from behind bars--that he
wanted to die.

At 22 years old, he was going through three grams each of heroin and
coke every few days. "I had a needle in my arm every 20 minutes," he
said. "I was desperate, completely miserable." He supported himself by
selling, out of his car, what he told customers were stolen laptop
computers; after he pocketed their money and drove off, his victims
would learn that they had just paid hundreds of dollars for a
counterfeit computer box filled with junk.

Shawn had tried to quit drugs more than a dozen times, with the help
of everything from Narcotics Anonymous to detox programs. Nothing
worked. At the end of his rope, he found himself following a tip from
a junkie friend, slipping over the border to try a treatment that is
as much an urban myth as a scientifically proven medication--and is as
illegal as crack in the United States.

The treatment is a dose of a powerful hallucinogen called ibogaine. It
is derived from the roots of a shrub called Tabernanthe iboga, which
grows in western Africa. Local tribespeople have used it as a
peyote-like sacrament for generations. Since the 1960s, it has
circulated on the margins of Western drug culture, sustained by its
reputation as a potent healer. A single daylong trip on ibogaine, lore
has it, can help break an addiction to heroin, cocaine, alcohol or

Now, interest in ibogaine seems to be approaching a kind of critical
mass. The increasing number of anecdotal success stories has attracted
the attention of serious researchers. Although there is no rock-solid
proof, scientific consensus that this strange drug indeed may possess
potent addiction-thwarting properties is increasing.

Meanwhile, regardless of what science says, faith is flourishing. A
devoted community has grown up around ibogaine--a motley congregation
of former junkies, envelope-pushing academics and drug-reform zealots
helping to spread awareness and use of the drug. There reportedly are
at least two underground activists in the United States who will
provide it to seekers illegally. But taking ibogaine doesn't have to
involve breaking laws--it's legal in many countries. As a result,
clinics are popping up from the Caribbean to Pakistan, offering
ibogaine treatment for anywhere from a few thousand dollars to well
more than $10,000.

The clinic near Tijuana is, relatively speaking, among the most
reputable. It was opened in 2001 by Martin Polanco, a Mexican doctor
who was impressed with how ibogaine--obtained at an underground U.S.
clinic--had helped one of his relatives beat a cocaine addiction.
Polanco's facility, known as the Ibogaine Association, has
administered more than 350 treatments and currently has 10 to 15 new
patients a month, says program director Randy Hencken.

Hencken, a tall, thin 28-year-old with curly hair and little studs in
each ear, was one of Polanco's first patients. He had dropped out of
college at 21 to devote himself to cocaine and, eventually, heroin.
Throughout the years, he tried everything from 12-step programs to
methadone to get clean, but nothing worked. He discovered ibogaine on
the Internet, made his way to Polanco's facility and returned with his
addiction broken. He since has embraced the cause with a convert's
zeal, taking a job as the association's main organizer.

Last summer, Hencken invited me to follow one of the association's
patients through a full ibogaine treatment. I met Hencken shortly
thereafter in a San Diego apartment that doubles as the association's
U.S. office. The place fits naturally in the beachside
slacker-student-surfer neighborhood. The front room is furnished with
worn couches and a computer emblazoned with a Jane's Addiction
sticker. A bike and surfboards hang on hooks in the kitchen.

Hencken, dressed in a black T-shirt and pants, with a thick wallet
chain, hopped into an unmarked van and drove to a dingy airport motel.
Waiting in the parking lot was Craig, a trim, compact man wearing
loafers, khakis and a Nike T-shirt.

"I've got to admit this is a little weird," said Craig, a 50-year-old
restaurant owner from Salt Lake City who flew in the night before. "I
feel like we're doing a drug deal." And, in a sense, they were. Craig
got into the van, and they rolled south.

Craig was highly motivated to undertake this bizarre journey. He was
an alcoholic for years, with the smashed cars and nights in jail to
show for it. He quit drinking 16 years ago and has stayed sober. But a
few years ago, he was prescribed painkillers for a knee injury and
discovered that he liked them. He began downing fistfuls of pills
daily, scoring them from one of his employees. "At first it was
recreational," he recalled. "But then you find yourself doing them
just to get from point A to B, and you know it's a problem."

Last year, he checked himself into a rehab center and went cold
turkey. "It was horrible," he said. "You hurt from your bones in. I
couldn't sleep. I cried like a baby. I'd take hot baths all day and
eat ibuprofen like candy." He stayed clean for six weeks and then fell
off the wagon. "I can't stop myself. But I know I can't go down that
road again like I did with alcohol," he said. "But when you're on
opiates, it really hurts to stop." So, when his dealer, who had been
scouring the Internet for unconventional ways to kick drugs, told
Craig about the Ibogaine Association, he decided he had little to lose.

"I just need to get this stuff out of my system," he told me as we
drove through Tijuana, "and I'm looking for an easier, softer way."

Ibogaine, as even its most ardent supporters say, is not a cure for
drug dependence; however, it apparently can play a potent role as an
addiction interrupter. The drug has two powerful addiction-fighting
effects. The first is biochemical: It seems to act on serotonin and
opiate systems in the brain, physically nullifying a person's craving
for drugs and smoothing his or her withdrawal symptoms. That's a huge
boon for those addicted to heroin and other opiates, many of whom
shrink from the physical pain of detox.

"It has been proved to alleviate the pain and physical discomfort of
drug withdrawal with animals," said Dr. Stanley Glick, a
neuropharmacologist at Albany Medical Center in New York who has
researched the drug for years. "And there are lots of reports of it
doing the same with humans. You hear the same story a few thousand
times, you've got to believe there's something there."

After a few weeks, this craving-blocking effect generally fades. But
by then, users have been able to detox relatively painlessly, and then
they have a month or more free of drug cravings in which to seek
therapy, join a support group and do whatever it takes to stay clean.

"It was the easiest detox I've ever had," recalled Shawn. "It was the
first time I had a window of time without my head screaming at me to
get high."

Shawn stayed clean for eight months, but then he relapsed during a New
Year's Eve bacchanal in Los Angeles and soon was back to his old
habits. He wound up trying ibogaine again the next year.

"One dose of ibogaine is not a magic bullet," stressed Dr. Deborah
Mash, a neurology professor at the University of Miami who has done
the most extensive research on ibogaine's effects on human beings.
"But it can be a powerful first step on the road to recovery."

The second effect is less tangible and more controversial: In many
users, ibogaine induces hours of hallucinations of a staggering force
and strangeness--though the patient appears to be simply sleeping.
Many ibogaine users say they gained profound insights from this
experience, which helps them to understand why they became addicts.

Shawn is one of them. "It touched me like nothing else," he told me,
two years after his first experience. "It wasn't enjoyable, but it was
powerful." Shawn had been brutally battered by the stepfather he lived
with as a boy in Tacoma, Wash. The ibogaine brought some of those
memories painfully back to him and helped him understand how much the
trauma of those years had to do with his urge to escape into drugs.

But for some, the visions are harrowing, and the treatment a failure.
"It's like acid times one million," writes an anonymous naysayer on
one of the many Web sites devoted to ibogaine. "I saw God alright--I
talked to him. And I was so sure it was real. But it wasn't. It was
someone who messed with me and scared the daylights out of me." This
person's account says that others who took the treatment at the same
time saw themselves being crucified or raped. "It didn't work for me,
and it didn't work for anyone else that I personally met who took it,"
the writer concludes. (Hencken says this person was not treated at the
Ibogaine Association.)

One thing everyone agrees on: Ibogaine is no fun. It's too emotionally
unsettling, mentally exhausting and physically stressful to be any
kind of a party drug. Its side effects can include nausea, vomiting,
loss of coordination and a potentially dangerous reduction in blood
pressure and heart rate. There have been several documented deaths in
connection with the drug. But, because the ibogaine was not taken in a
clinical setting, the cause of death was never firmly established.
Some fatalities may have been caused by pre-existing heart conditions
made lethal by ibogaine's effects. Mash is confident that there are
more that have gone unreported. "There are some pretty unethical
people" giving clandestine treatments, she said. "They just leave
patients for dead in hotel rooms."

"That's why ibogaine needs to be legal and available in safe
settings," Hencken said. "It needs to be in the hands of someone who
can judge your health, your dosage and provide a safe

The Ibogaine Association requires clients to submit a medical history
as well as undergo testing before treatment can begin. A doctor
administers the drug. Still, the procedure seems remarkably casual.

From San Diego, Craig was brought to the association's treatment
facility, a rented house on a well-kept residential street near
Tijuana. Only the dining room, which has been converted into a
medication-equipped office, and the oxygen tanks under the stairs
indicate that it is a medical establishment, of sorts.

The doctor treating Craig was Francisco Canez, a calm, round-faced man
who splits his time between the association and a hospital emergency
room. Craig sat with his arms crossed, looking more than a tad nervous
as Canez reviewed his file and calculated his ibogaine dosage. From a
small jar, he shook out three gelatin capsules filled with white
powder and handed them to Craig.

Craig looked speculatively at the first pill, which he was to take to
make sure he wouldn't have an allergic reaction. "Well, I've put all
kinds of things in my body," he said, shrugging. Down the hatch. Half
an hour later, having evinced no untoward initial responses, he
swallowed the other two pills.

Canez then took him into a bedroom--where sheets of Styrofoam covered
the windows and a CD softly played rainforest sounds--and attached him
to a heart monitor next to the bed. The monitor's graph fluttered
peacefully as the ibogaine gradually pulled Craig away. After a while,
he just lay there silently, engulfed in a hallucinogenic hurricane.

After several hours, the visions gradually started to subside. Craig
sat up, nauseated and dizzy. "That was a wild ride," he muttered.
Although he hadn't had a painkiller in several days, he found he
didn't crave one.

He lay down again and dropped back into his head for another hour.
Finally, he revived enough to be moved to another house, where he was
to spend the next day recovering. He tottered out to the van with
small, jittery steps.

Ibogaine's addiction-fighting potential was discovered only
recently--and accidentally. It was sold as a stimulant in France
during the middle decades of the last century, and an American
psychologist and a psychiatrist dabbled with it in the 1950s and
1960s. It was so obscure it couldn't even be considered a curiosity.

But in 1962, Howard Lotsof, a 19-year-old New York student with a
heroin habit and an appetite for other pharmacological kicks, scored
some powder that he was told would give him a 36-hour trip. Lotsof and
some of his junkie pals experimented with it and, to their
astonishment, found that it knocked out their heroin cravings.

Mightily impressed, Lotsof tried to drum up street interest--and a
little cash for himself in the process. It never caught on in a big
way, but it did find a place in counterculture lore--and got banned by
the federal government in 1970. It was memorably cited by journalist
and psychedelic connoisseur Hunter S. Thompson, who speculated that "a
bad ibogaine frenzy" was the likely explanation for Democrat Ed
Muskie's oddly emotional behavior in the 1972 presidential campaign.

Ibogaine's legend grew as a constant trickle of adventurous addicts
tried it. In the mid-1980s, Lotsof managed to patent ibogaine as an
anti-addiction palliative, and he set up a company to try to bring it
to market. An early series of treatments in the Netherlands looked
promising, although there were a couple of ibogaine-related deaths
elsewhere in Europe.

Undeterred, Lotsof continued his crusade. In the early 1990s, he and
other activists persuaded a federal agency to cough up several million
dollars for ibogaine research. He recruited Mash, and the two began
working together. (They since have parted ways.) By 1993, Mash had won
Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval to begin testing ibogaine
on human subjects. But then one of Lotsof's informal patients in the
Netherlands died. In 1995, the National Institute on Drug Abuse
decided not to proceed to clinical studies. "Committee members were
not all that impressed with its efficacy, but the safety issue stopped
them in their tracks," said Frank Vocci, a federal researcher who has
followed ibogaine's progress. "What you have are a lot of interesting,
colorful anecdotes. But the plural of anecdotes is not scientific data."

A number of researchers around the country, however, have become
sufficiently intrigued to continue experimenting with animals. Dozens
of articles have appeared in scientific journals, most of them
reporting promising results that buttress the anecdotal evidence.

Mash is doing her own part to advance the cause. In 1996, she helped
to launch an ibogaine clinic on the Caribbean island of St. Kitts.
During the next five years, she gathered data on more than 300
patients who sought treatment there--the largest body of serious
clinical research on ibogaine ever collected.

Mash presented her findings at a medical conference last fall in San
Francisco. Granted, her sample wasn't representative of America's drug
users: Most were white men between 20 and 40 years old, the sort of
addicts who can afford to spend several weeks and several thousand
dollars detoxing in the Caribbean. Still, she declared that her
research proves that ibogaine can be administered safely and does help
break addictions. "We saw people with big methadone habits lose their
cravings after just a single dose of ibogaine," she said. "One month
later, both cocaine and opiate addicts reported cravings were
significantly lower. And at one year, drug use was significantly down
among testees."

At this point, perhaps the major obstacle to Ibogaine's mainstream
acceptance is its scrofulous image. This isn't a medicine developed by
white-coated scientists; its anti-addictive properties were discovered
by a junkie, and some of its promoters are folks more likely to
interest the attorney general than the surgeon general.

One of ibogaine's most energetic boosters is Marc Emery, founder of a
clinic in Vancouver, Canada. Emery is a verbose, middle-aged man with
bushy hair and corporate-casual clothes. You'd never guess that he
heads the British Columbia Marijuana Party and is, by his reckoning,
one of the world's largest sellers of pot seeds. It has been his
personal mission to bring ibogaine to the masses since the drug helped
his adopted son kick methadone and heroin. Until this spring, Emery
offered free treatment in the Iboga Therapy House, a clinic that
consists of a plush one-bedroom apartment in a Vancouver high-rise.
With his cash flow crimped by business and legal troubles (he just
spent two months in a Saskatchewan jail for passing a joint at a
pro-pot gathering), he has stopped funding the clinic, putting its
program on hold, but he remains supportive. "It was a very worthwhile
investment," he said. "The improvements I saw in our patients were
significant and astonishing."

Still, Emery's enthusiasm is unlikely to change the minds of skeptics
such as Dr. Herbert Kleber, head of the substance-abuse division at
Columbia University's school of medicine. "I'm in favor of anything
that works, but there needs to be proof that it does and that it
doesn't endanger patients," he said. "I've been in this field 35
years, and I've seen a lot of magic bullets. They often turn out to be
worse than the disease."

Getting that kind of proof requires controlled experiments on human
subjects, which is what Mash is working toward. She has isolated a
molecule called noribogaine, which is produced in the body as it
metabolizes ibogaine and which she believes is the key agent that
blocks drug cravings. She is trying to get FDA approval to start human
testing. On a parallel track, Dr. Glick has synthesized a chemical
cousin of ibogaine dubbed 18-MC, which he also hopes to market.

Both Mash and Glick think their ibogaine derivatives will give users
the drug-blocking effect without the hallucinations--something both
believe is necessary if the FDA is to approve their products.

But would eliminating ibogaine's psychedelic side diminish its
effectiveness? No one knows. "For me, the ideal would be for people to
take ibogaine in a controlled environment and use the experience as
part of their psychotherapy," Mash said. "Then, slap a noribogaine
patch on them."

Mash and Glick also face a more prosaic obstacle: money. Funding
comprehensive clinical trials for a new drug is colossally expensive,
and so far, neither has found anyone willing to pony up the full cost.
In October, a Los Angeles philanthropist pledged to give Mash $250,000
to restart research at the University of Miami, but that's only a tiny
fraction of what eventually will be necessary if ibogaine is ever to
be brought to market.

"The pharmaceutical industry has never wanted much to do with
addiction medicine," Glick said. "It's not very profitable, and it's
bad public relations."

Although there are millions of people addicted to various substances
in the United States, many of them don't want--or can't
afford--treatment. Worse, from a bottom-line standpoint, an
ibogaine-based treatment drug would be used only once--a feeble
investment for companies accustomed to cash-cow refillable

And that leaves people like Shawn knocking on the doors of unregulated
ibogaine clinics in a desperate search for something that will help
defeat their addictions.

"All these clinics popping up all over the world--it's become almost a
cult-like phenomenon," Glick said. "All the hype and politics around
ibogaine just make my job harder. It means the scientific
establishment and regulatory agencies take a dim view."

But the ranks of the believers keep growing. Six months after his
ibogaine treatment, Craig says he's staying clean and feeling great.

Shawn had another brief relapse following his second ibogaine
experiment, but he says he has been clean for a full year now. He's
back living with his father, going to school and trying to get
licensed as a real-estate agent. Despite his post-trip slips, he still
credits ibogaine with helping him stay straight.

"What I really learned from ibogaine is that I have a choice," he
said. "If you take advantage of that window it gives you, you can get
clean. It has so much potential to help so many people. I just wish
people would look past the psychedelic part and look at the value of

Pubdate: Tue, 06 Jan 2004
Source: Sacramento News & Review (CA)
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Copyright: 2004 Chico Community Publishing, Inc.
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Posted 13 January 2005 - 05:54 PM

i read the whole thing, i swear.

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Posted 14 January 2005 - 05:04 AM

I want to try some of that.

I think there were some successful studies
done in the US before [because?]
it was banned.

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Posted 14 January 2005 - 11:04 AM

For more info, check Heroin Times (online mag). Quite alot of stories & places where it has been used successfully. Still alot of questions about it, not 100% recovery rate from addiction.

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Posted 14 January 2005 - 05:04 PM

is it supposed to be a harsh trip like sally or dmt, or what, just stoned or opiate-like high...?
what is going on here?!?!?!?!?

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Posted 14 January 2005 - 07:33 PM

that was long, but a well written article

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Posted 15 January 2005 - 01:16 AM

Interesting article. Jasontokes:

But for some, the visions are harrowing, and the treatment a failure.
"It's like acid times one million," writes an anonymous naysayer on
one of the many Web sites devoted to ibogaine. "I saw God alright--I
talked to him. And I was so sure it was real. But it wasn't. It was
someone who messed with me and scared the daylights out of me." This
person's account says that others who took the treatment at the same
time saw themselves being crucified or raped. "It didn't work for me,
and it didn't work for anyone else that I personally met who took it,"
the writer concludes. (Hencken says this person was not treated at the
Ibogaine Association.)

One thing everyone agrees on: Ibogaine is no fun. It's too emotionally
unsettling, mentally exhausting and physically stressful to be any
kind of a party drug. Its side effects can include nausea, vomiting,
loss of coordination and a potentially dangerous reduction in blood
pressure and heart rate. There have been several documented deaths in
connection with the drug. But, because the ibogaine was not taken in a
clinical setting, the cause of death was never firmly established.
Some fatalities may have been caused by pre-existing heart conditions
made lethal by ibogaine's effects

I think that kinda leaves this stuff exclusively for people looking to detox.....

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Posted 19 January 2005 - 12:30 PM

I've done it for opiate addiction and it wasn't like you take it and you're all better, but pretty close. I was on methadone which is a much longer acting opiate. It is much harder to come off of then shorter acting opiates like heroin. Many heroin users report that they feel fine after the trip.

The trip lasts for 24-36 hours, where you are in like a dream state. I puked a whole lot because the ibogaine actually squeezes toxins out of your liver, so a lot of bile comes up. I ain't talkin a big puke, I'm talkin like hours of puking with periods of visions. It's different for everyone, though, so many people don't go through such a bad purging and a few don't puke at all.

After about 36 hours of crazy visions. I was out of the major trip but felt kind of chilled and sneezy, but wasn't really jonesing. There were more reflections after the trip than during for me, because my visions didn't make much sense to me, like some people describe.

It's best to stay very still during the whole trip, because the slightest movement causes terrible nausea, plus you'll need a lot of help getting to the bathroom.

It took me about two weeks of minor flu-like symptoms and about two months until I felt really good. I had tried detoxing about 6-7 times and finally got on methadone before trying ibogaine. The longest I had been clean before the ibogaine was about 3 weeks, and my clean time was shorter each subsequent time, even after Buprenorphine.

The ibo does help you want the change, it resets your tolerance levels(for me I was more sensitive then when I first started using), and gives you a window from 3 days to 3 months where your opiate receptors are filled or partially filled with the metabolite nor-ibogaine. I even tried using once after I came back because of the minor symptoms but after doing a bag I got almost sick from it and I didn't want another setback. So, I said screw it and left the crap alone, besides it didn't even feel the same.

So, you can return to using if you don't make some big changes but it is the best tool to use in fighting addiction, IMO, for people who really want to be clean for themselves.

I have been clean for almost 10 months and I have even taken some Vicodin when I broke my wrist, yet I gave them away as soon as my wrist stopped hurting, with no withdrawal. I have no desire to use heroin ever again or any opiates unless I am in some kind of major pain. I finally feel normal but I still don't sleep all that well. I don't feel tired much, though.

I used cannabis to help me through the minor symptoms and found that a supply of high grade herb will take away all the aches and depression that most people feel after detoxing from a long-standing opiate habit. I also can eat as much as I want and I don't seem to get full so I have gained about 10-20 pounds and am now at a decent weight for my height. I haven't kept gaining, just mostly right after returning from my trip.

I have also stopped drinking soda(unless I have a mixed drink) and cut much of the sugar out of my diet. I just quit smoking cigarettes about 8 days ago and I don't have any desire for them either, now. The iboga did make me more spiritual and I would love to do it again just for the insights.

Yes, it is powerful but I liked it, although I was a bit overwhelmed, I would gladly do it again. I did about 5 grams of whole plant extract which contains all of the plants alkaloids, but they say about a gram of pure ibogaine is what most need for detoxing.

I would recommend iboga/ibogaine to anyone looking for a powerful, spiritual experience and who has some experience with psychedelics.

If anyone has any questions about it or if they want the cheapest place to go with an excellent shaman-type woman, just let me know. I'm happy to share whatever I can about it and my experience.

(Message edited by PissyBee on January 19, 2005)

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Posted 19 January 2005 - 05:43 PM

That is awsome it could be a very powerful tool for many addicts to get off drugs and avoid the physical discomferts of detox.

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Posted 19 January 2005 - 09:14 PM

props on the detox pbeester
isn't it nice that the kind herb helps so many things in life? I'm glad you guit smoking cigs too,
right around the same time I did.... kind of a delayed new years resolution Posted Image

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Posted 25 January 2005 - 01:36 PM

Yeah it's cool, but as soon as I quit smoking cigs I got a cold and a cough worse than any smokers cough I've ever had... Go figure!

#16 shroomzhilla



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Posted 26 January 2005 - 01:04 AM

I'm happy to hear of your success PB. I might be in the market before long to get rid of this booze monkey on my back. then I can post here and remember the next day lol.

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Posted 26 January 2005 - 12:44 PM

LOL, yep, works for alcohol...

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Posted 13 December 2005 - 09:43 AM or

First US Ibogaine Arrest

This article from the Casper Wyoming Star Tribune (December 9, 2005) describes what appears to be the first ibogaine arrest ever in the U.S. Thanks to Jon, who often writes for The Entheogen Review, for the initial tip. Note, that no importation actually occured. Rather, the arrest and federal charges appear to be premised on an alleged "conspiracy" to import the drug in an effort to treat their own addiction to other drugs.

Couple to be held in jail

Star-Tribune staff writer

A federal prosecutor and defense attorneys agreed on Thursday afternoon that a man and woman charged with conspiring to import an illegal drug need to begin an addiction treatment program as soon as possible.

They disagreed about whether Jack Brian Hout and Karen Sue Hout should be released from jail in the weeks it could take for them find space in a suitable program.

U.S. Attorney Kelly Rankin said he believed the risk that the husband and wife would use controlled substances if they are allowed to return home outweighs any possible benefit.

The Houts were ultimately denied bond in a case marked by a number of twists. Rankin said a federal investigator spoke with the Houts in 2004 about suspicions they were abusing the prescription painkiller Hydrocodone.

The affidavit filed with the complaint against the Houts describes a pattern of purchasing Hydrocodone on the Internet and swapping the drug, at times, for methamphetamine, hallucinogenic mushrooms and other drugs.

The Houts were then arrested for conspiring to import Ibogaine, a drug some claim to be a sort of panacea for all manner of addictions.

The charge carries a penalty of up to 20 years in prison.

Rankin said during Thursday's hearing that he believed the Houts were trying to buy Ibogaine "to ease their drug issues."

Ibogaine, which is derived from an African plant, is legal in some countries. While there is some ongoing research on its use in treating addiction, it is classified a Schedule One controlled substance in the United States.

Dana Beal, who has co-authored a book on Ibogaine and who advocates for its legalization, said he believes the arrest of the Houts may be the first to be associated with the drug.

Friends and family members of the Houts appeared in U.S. District Court on Thursday. They voiced support for keeping the two in jail until they can enter a treatment program.

"We are extremely concerned for their lives and those of their children," one said after U.S. Magistrate Michael Shickich asked for their input.

Thursday's proceeding focused on the issue of detention after the Houts waived their right to a preliminary hearing. It is not clear how any drug treatment programs might interfere with future hearings.

In addition to the conspiracy charge, Jack Hout is also charged with violating federal law by possessing firearms in spite of being a "user of a controlled substance," the complaint says.

The latter charge carries a penalty of up to 10 years in prison.

The conspiracy charge stems from an investigation that reportedly revealed efforts to have Ibogaine shipped to the Central American country of Belize, where the Houts have a condominium. From there, an affidavit says, they planned to have the drug carried or sent to the United States.

Reporter Anthony Lane can be reached at (307) 266-0593 or at [email protected].

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Posted 13 December 2005 - 10:03 AM

Jeez. Thanks, bee.

#20 viraljimmy



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Posted 13 December 2005 - 02:42 PM

Is everything a "Schedule I" drug now?

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