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#61 shimmy

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Posted 19 April 2006 - 02:28 PM

about 10 sheets folded and stacked up and cut into a circle works just fine imho i have had the results to proove it as well but i have it just to show you can when recourses are unavailable which they are at the moment

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 03:14 PM

these are pretty mushrooms i wonder how im doing?http://mycotopia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23968&stc=1&d=1145823205

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 05:45 PM

these are pretty mushrooms i wonder how im doing?

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#64 Hippie3

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 06:41 PM

one mushroom is success
but not proof that a paper towel 'casing' is good,
that would require doing better than a normal uncased cake.

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 07:05 PM

This cake cased with paper towels did pretty well...i think it was 2 layers..

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 07:17 PM

hehe,
you're not helping, golly.
you know as well as it do
that is a very atypical flush
which cannot be attributed to the
paper towels.
show me a bunch like that...

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 07:30 PM

kind of a loose term for a cake i guess -more like a glob of worm poo and mulch that was fruited under a plastic grocery bag..but the paper towels did help to create a microclimate for primordia...

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 07:43 PM

so you assert
but it'd be impossible to prove
the pins aren't coming from the paper
but from the cake,
who's to say that cake
would not have flushed
just as well without the papertowels ?
in any event
you don't have the evidence to demonstrate
that a paper towel makes a decent casing
compared to a real casing
[one picture of a freak flush
is not enough,
show me 10 more cakes
just like it
then i will believe.]

which is the point in dispute here.
paper towels give moisture and trap some humidity
but that's it.
show me a mushroom farm that
cases with paper towels
and your point in made.

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 09:00 PM

The reason i quit using paper towels as a casing was that i had to make a hole for every pin to grow through ,cause they would just push it up otherwise...i Tried toilet paper too,, but it just got messy...
I have no point to make ,i just happened to have a pic of a paper towel casing that did well....s'all...

#70 Hippie3

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Posted 24 April 2006 - 07:05 AM

a paper towel is not a casing,
that's my point.
it's better than nothing,
but it's not a casing.
a casing is where the proto-pins begin forming
before the flush,
that cannot occur in a paper towel.

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 05:45 PM

here is the first flush from 4 cakes at around 80 + something grams not that great but definatly cant complain they got a tad case of the verticillium and i finnaly came across some verm so a dunk and a casing is were the future lays


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Posted 25 April 2006 - 05:54 PM

who's to say that cake
would not have flushed
just as well without the papertowels ?


We could say the same for verm casings, or just about anything in this hobby, since there hasnt been much lab testing with a control and all that good stuff for most of the things we take for "fact".

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 07:06 PM

we have many hundreds of photos showing the benefits of casings
versus 1 photo of an awesome paper towel flush,
gee, i dunno how you weigh evidence
but as for me
i can see the difference.

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 07:56 PM

ive seen 129435 awesome flushes form uncased cakes. Now if i just started plopping paper towels on top of cakes from now on, and took pictures, would you credit the paper towels as much as the DE casing?

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:00 PM

obviously not,
as your 'evidence' would be fraudulent.
but the same is not true for the DE casing,
no one just heaping verm onto already flushing cakes
just to try to prove
a falsehood.
anything you post
would be cross-checked and verified by others,
just as the DE casing has been,
and only if they confirmed similar results
would the case be made.
so you go right ahead
and try proving that paper towels are better
if you can.
i'll be watching.
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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:04 PM

im not trying to prove that paper towels are better, but when you say that its a 'piss-poor substitute', that is what i am disagreeing with. Wet paper towels can provide a hell of a lot of moisture to a cake

and i didnt mean putting paper towels on to already flushing cakes, i meant using it as a casing, and taking pics of the flush that ensued

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:06 PM

but
giving/conserving moisture is not the sole function
of a casing.
there are many other aspects of a good casing layer
that a paper towel
just cannot provide.

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:09 PM

yeah, a casing in a cased sub i can see what youre saying about the micro-climate and stuff.
But for a PF style cake, what else does the casing do besides providing moisture

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:12 PM

well, it triggers pinning for one thing.
i can point to hundreds of photos
that show a clear correlation
between pinning and the verm. layer itself.
in fact in the majority of cases
most of the flush comes from the
cake/verm. interface.
http://mycotopia.net...achmentid=24030

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:15 PM

i understand that, but whose to say that the pins wouldnt have popped up there regardless of the verm/cake interface?
we can go on and on about this, because you say that you wont believe paper towels are an able substitute without "proof". What kind of proof would you like? Pictures? we've seen those. I think theres the same amount of proof that paper towels can work as a casing for cakes as the amount of proof that verm triggers pinning on a cake.




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