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#81 Hippie3

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:17 PM

show me the proof then,
show me a row of 10 cakes
with no casing except paper towels
with better yields than
10 with DE casings.

only problem is
there is no such proof,
if there was
i'd know it
because i know this site better than anyone,
i see every thread that has been thru here
over the last 6 years
and i sure haven't seen
the evidence to merit
placing papertowel casings on par
with real casings.

so
show me...

#82 OZ

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:21 PM

we truly can go about this forever. We have differing opinions, neither of which have been proven, or will be proven any time in the near future.
Yeild can depend on so many things OTHER than the casing method. Any way we slice this, you think one thing, and I think another, and neither of us can prove our point. You cannot prove that paper towels are no good, and I cannot prove that they ARE good.
I dont have the time or the resources to grow out an isolate on 30 cakes, 10 with DE, 10 without, and 10 with paper towels. even if i COULD do that, the yeilds could still not be concrete proof.

#83 Hippie3

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:23 PM

still not be concrete proof.


it'd be better than nothing
which is where you are at the moment.
the evidence to prove my point
is already here.
i'll be ready
if and when you ever are.
;)

btw
it's not incumbent on me to

prove that paper towels are no good

one cannot prove a negative like that,
you are the one arguing the case,
asserting that papertowels are a casing,
the burden of proof is on you.

#84 OZ

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:26 PM

how am i at nothing at the moment? if anyone is at nothing it is you. What is your point? that paper towels is a bad substitute for verm in a DE casing? I haven't seen you prove that, or any point

all you've done is point to pictures of someone using a Verm casing, and saying its been used for hundreds of grows.. ect.... yeah tahts all well and good. That doesnt have any bearing on paper towels being a piss poor substitute

#85 Hippie3

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:28 PM

i already posted 1 pic
showing a clear correlation
between the verm. layer
and the shrooms.
i can pull up as many as you want.
http://mycotopia.net...08&d=1145925428
you, on the other hand,
haven't posted any pix at all.
i can see the difference,
can't you ?
;)

give it up, dude.
at this point
you're already beaten
and just can't bring yourself
to lay down the sword.

#86 hogwild

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:30 PM

What is your point? that paper towels is a bad substitute for verm in a DE casing? I haven't seen you prove that, or any point



The point is that there is no proof, as you can see from the above cakes its apparent that paper towel casing may work as a suitable casing material, however without side by side experiments there isnt any way to prove that its better than verm in any way. Paper towel casings work fine in my opinion, but my opinion is just that... an opinion.

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:31 PM

one cannot prove a negative like that,
you are the one arguing the case,
asserting that papertowels are a casing,
the burden of proof is on you.


again, i call upon you to PROVE that verm is a good casing. can you PROVE that cold shocking doesnt do anything for cubies? no to both, but you state both as fact. I could jsut as easily state as fact that paper towels would make a fairly good casing on a cake. Proof? just as much proof as you have

I agree hogwild, it works fine, and i never said it was better than verm. I just said it would work, and it is not a piss poor substitute

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:32 PM

haha this has stirred up quite the little battle lets all just shroom and be happy

#89 hogwild

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:32 PM

on the other hand verm is tried and true. I do not want to stop anyone from experimenting with different innovative things to make this hobby better but people here like consistant proof

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:33 PM

haha this has stirred up quite the little battle lets all just shroom and be happy


no doubt hijacked indeed

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:34 PM

hip, make this into a new thread? our arguement and see what others think?

#92 Hippie3

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:35 PM

i still haven't seen any pix
from either of you.

show me...

here's one more
for my side-
http://mycotopia.net...19&d=1145926306
that's 3 to zero.
even golly admited
the shrooms did not form on the papertowels
while anyone can see
here the shrooms forming on the verm layer.

point, set, match.
:bow:

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:38 PM

This cake cased with paper towels did pretty well...i think it was 2 layers..

and lets see how shimmy's stuff turns out

#94 Hippie3

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:43 PM

i can still read deleted posts, oz.
to prevent that
first wipe the text
then delete.
;)

as for shimmy's papertowel casing
here's what he got
from 4 cakes-
http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1146004665

barely 8 dry grams,
or an average of 2 g per cake on 1st flush,
exactly the same
as uncased cakes.
no benefit at all.

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:51 PM

no verm, but still has pins

so is it fair to say that without the verm there would have been no pins, therefore reducing overall yeild? i dont know about that

so you're saying that 2g's dry is the yeild for uncased cakes? no double end cased cakes that yeild 2gs? no undacsed cakes that yeild more? no doucle end casings that yeild less?

it had nothing to do with genetics, but purely the paper towels that led to the 2gs?

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:51 PM

im crushed:cry: lol this one really went to far

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:53 PM

what did i delete hippie? i dont even remember what i put....

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:55 PM

shimmy wuld you be willing to DE case with verm half your cakes, and use paper towels for the other half for the sake of expeimentation?

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:56 PM

can you PROVE that cold shocking doesnt do anything for cubies?

yep.

#100 Hippie3

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:57 PM

so is it fair to say that without the verm there would have been no pins,


of course not.
that is not what i said at all,
not even close.
what i stated, correctly,
is that a casing triggers pinning.
cubies still will fruit without a casing,
we all know that.
i have shown a clear correlation.
shimmy got exactly the same
with his papertowel casings
as uncased cakes,
there was no benefit.
the pix you post
do not show any paper towels, friend.
that is the topic, right ?
show me some pics of papertowel casings
where there's a benefit visible.

btw
both of those cakes you posted
have a verm layer...




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