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#101 OZ

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:59 PM

well hippe, i guess you have me sunk, becaause the only pic i have of a paper towel casing cake is the one that golly posted.

"exactly the same as uncased cakes" i think for multispore, thats quite a generalization

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 09:00 PM

and yes, i've done enough cakes
to know that a straight pf tek cake
averages 2 dry g's on 1st flush,
that's exactly the same as i was
getting 6 years ago
when i posted my invitro results.
that average was calculated on 48 cakes,
a statistically significant sample, i'd say.

no double end cased cakes that yeild 2gs? no undacsed cakes that yeild more? no doucle end casings that yeild less?

sure,
there are always special cases, 'exceptions'-
but we're talking
on average,
a meaningful distinction.
so while i'm sure there are DE cased cakes that get even less than 2 gs,
and uncased cakes that get 4-5.
on average
the DE cased cakes yield more
both per flush and in total.

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 09:02 PM

is that number with or without dunking?

and im assuming you know the average of 48 DE cased cakes grown side by side with an isolate?

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 09:10 PM

lol i will i guess 2 verm and 2 paper towels and 2 with nothing just for shits but in my opinion how you get from point a to point b doesnt really matter as long as theres a good trip at the end

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 09:10 PM

shimmy-

while i'm sympathetic to
your distress
at seeing this hashed out
in your thread,
nevertheless
this debate IS topical
as it directly relates
to the use of paper towels
as a casing substitute
and so
this debate will be helpful
and instructive
for many others
who will read all this
and judge for themselves
the merits
of our respective arguments.
there is good being done in this.
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Posted 25 April 2006 - 09:11 PM

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 09:13 PM

is that number with or without dunking?
and im assuming you know the average of 48 DE cased cakes grown side by side with an isolate?


that number is first flush without any dunk.

your 2nd question is unanswerable
as it would ultimately depend
on which isolate was chosen.
so since one cannot even that out
the next best bet
is purely random,
i.e. multispore
and large enough samples
to average out the freak fringe results.

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 09:15 PM

lol it was rhetorical. so wahts the average flush of a DE cake with no dunk?

i guess shimmy's experiment will not be statistically signfigant, but it would be fun to see.
My next batch of cakes, will be with paper towels as a casing. Was a pleasure arguing with you hip

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 09:17 PM

:lol:
hell,
why am i apologizing to shimmy anyway ?
this thread was started by mushit,
so shimmy went off-topic first
when he entered mushit's thread
to post his own stuff.
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Posted 25 April 2006 - 09:18 PM

so wahts the average flush of a DE cake with no dunk?


about 3.5 dry g on 1st flush.

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 09:20 PM

Was a pleasure arguing with you hip



likewise,
good clean fun.
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j/k

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 10:03 PM

He..he...My thoughts are that wet paper towels do provide an excellent balance of air and moisture on the substrate surface ,which would help to maximize the potential pinset...I grew maybe half a dozen of those towel cakes...I was very pleased with the end results but like i stated earlier -a pita to make the holes....In this pic u can see some of the paper still stuck to the caps - these ones broke thru by them selves...

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 10:19 PM

i bet
if we looked under
those papertowels
we'd see
most of those shrooms
are coming from the cake surface,
but the surface is hidden
so who can tell ?

paper towels are a wicking system,
and a water conservation/humidity boost
but they are not a casing,.

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 10:24 PM

:kewl:
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Posted 25 April 2006 - 10:30 PM

btw
it bears repeating
that golly's pix are not pf cakes,
they are poo nuggets

a glob of worm poo and mulch that was fruited under a plastic grocery bag


a paper towel
in its function
is closer to being
a fruiting chamber of sorts
than a casing.
a soft flexible semi-invitro container
that supplies water/humidity.

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 11:02 AM

here they are 2 straight cakes 2 dec paper towel and 2 dec verm let the games begin (also i aquired some perlite and tyvec so either way results should be much better)

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 11:06 AM

would you say the cakes performaed fairly equally on their first flush?

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 11:20 AM

yeah it was disturbing how equal they were

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 11:39 PM

verm vs paper towel who will prevail

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 12:08 AM

for the record,
this aint an experiment...not by a longshot..
2 jars (shot up MULTISPORE!) is nice to look at, but should NOT be used to judge which is best
verm is best for the PF Tek. period.
its properties are damn near perfect.
new growers must go with what is proven to work,
posts like these just confuse newcomers IMHO
if you want to experiment beyond a standard pf tek look into casing and bulk teks IMVHO
tinkering with whats known to work best after years and years of trial and error by many,
is an excercize in futility.
the only thing you will achieve in the end is
less yield.
well, thats my 2 cents, at least..dont spend it all in one place now..

here they are 2 straight cakes 2 dec paper towel and 2 dec verm let the games begin

PAPER TOWEL IS NOT A D.E.C.!
geez, after all hippie spouted on it, ya'd think the term would be used a bit more conservatively
lol

(also i aquired some perlite and tyvec so either way results should be much better)

whats the tyvek for? is that what you have underneath the cakes?
where do you guys come up with these teks?!
a jar lid filled with verm or even a piece of aluminum foil would be better than just
DUMPING verm directly onto the perlite...or whatever you did there..
hopin for a nice hefty yield for ya.
and btw, no hard feelings here :)
I just want this to work for ya, and dont want onlookers (we all were at one time)
to be mislead or misinformed in any way...things are tough enough for newbs as-is
keep the great photography a comin :) and be well




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