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#1 Guest_zap_*

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Posted 14 August 2003 - 11:40 AM

mite as well put a stamp on our heads or cars. thats not cool.

maybe we want lose much more mail now ? i remeber what happen to you mail hippie. this stamp chip could help?

#2 shroomzhilla



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Posted 14 August 2003 - 03:07 PM

I'm off to nazi-mart to buy lotsa psuedo ephidrine with cash, oh wait a minnit, I got no cash..........OFF TO NAZI-MART FOR A SHOPLIFTING SPREE THENPosted Image
I do use cash whenever possible unless my maxed credit cards get paid, then I only use that for beer, they dont bother trackin the drunks Posted Image
but this does disturb me cuz I get a lot of sterlite containers, jars etc. there wether I grow or not. but then cash is always best,
as for the 5 or six acres, try twenty or so to start, I know what 5 or 6 are even ten acres looks like and its just barely enough for mePosted Image

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Posted 14 August 2003 - 07:04 PM

zap, i don't know how/if a 'smart stamp' could stop a package from being ripped open and the contents stolen en route,
but even if it could, that would be little consolation to me.
i'd rather suffer an occasional loss than to have uncle sam know every one i send a letter to.
or get one from.
that's too much private info for the govt to get free with no warrant nor cause.

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Posted 14 August 2003 - 07:23 PM

Maybe these smart stamps are only intended for registered mail or insured expensive items. When I send a registered letter, a sticker is put on it with a bar code that can be scanned. Putting a microchip on it is just another step. I think the system would be too expensive for it to become compulsory on every letter posted.

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Posted 14 August 2003 - 07:29 PM

well, you know what the next logical step would be, don't you ?
they'll feed all the 'smart stamp' data into some supercomputers and start compiling lists of 'networks' of individuals connected like a spider-web by their mail.
that means us.
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#6 ridder


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Posted 14 August 2003 - 08:54 PM

this gave me an idea hip

starting a remailer service for an upcharge on the postage, people send packages to me and i resend them to their proper destinations.. completely confidential, no info kept.. might be a good service to provide.

#7 Guest_hippie3_*

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Posted 14 August 2003 - 08:57 PM

there's long been a strong demand for such services.
if one has the money there are firms that do it inter-nationally.
i agree, it would be a great home-business opportunity.

#8 Guest_zap_*

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Posted 14 August 2003 - 09:01 PM

ups, fedEX effected by this? or just USPS?

#9 Guest_hippie3_*

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Posted 14 August 2003 - 09:25 PM

no one knows yet, zap.
it's just in the planning stage now,
could still be years off if ever.

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Posted 15 August 2003 - 07:59 AM story

A government report that urges the U.S. Postal Service to create smart stamps to track the identity of people who send mail is eliciting concern from privacy advocates. The report, released last month by the President’s Commission on the U.S. Postal Service, issued numerous recommendations aimed at reforming the debt-laden agency. One recommendation is that the USPS aggressively pursue the development of a so-called intelligent mail system.

THOUGH DETAILS REMAIN sketchy, an intelligent mail system would involve using barcodes or special stamps, identifying, at a minimum, the sender, the destination and the class of mail. USPS already offers mail-tracking services to corporate customers. The report proposes a broad expansion of the concept to all mail for national security purposes. It also suggests USPS work with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to develop the system.
Such a system would not only allow the postal service to provide better mail-tracking information to consumers, the report said; it could give law enforcement authorities new investigative tools in the event of a mail-related terrorist attack such as the anthrax-tainted letters that killed five people and sickened more than a dozen others in 2001. The authorities have yet to solve that case.
Intelligent mail has the potential to improve significantly the security of the nation’s mail stream, particularly if the postal service fully explores whether it is feasible to require every piece of mail to include sender identification, in order to better assure its traceability in the event of foul play, the report said.
Privacy watchdogs worry, however, that requiring sender identification for all mail presents serious risks to civil liberties.
We have a long history in this country of anonymous political speech, said Ari Schwartz, associate director of the Center for Democracy and Technology. Any change that removes anonymity from the public mail system is making a major change to political discourse in this country, he said.
Such a system could also facilitate expanded government surveillance powers, said Chris Hoofnagle, deputy counsel at the Electronic Privacy Information Center.
For instance, the FBI is already allowed to photocopy the outside of unopened letters and packages sent and received by suspected criminals in order to monitor their communications, Hoofnagle said. An intelligent mail system could make conducting such mail cover activity easier, enabling the FBI to build databases tracking communication among people on a broader scale, he noted.
Hoofnagle and Schwartz also questioned the cost and effectiveness of a system that hinges on proving the identity of millions of individual mail senders. Even an overhaul of the entire postal system may not thwart stamp-swipers and identity thieves, they said. In order to close those holes, you have to move toward a police state, Hoofnagle said.
The commission’s report notes briefly that issues of privacy should, of course, be noted and balanced with the value of enhanced safety. A representative of the commission wasn’t immediately available to explain how the postal service might actually strike such a balance.
A USPS representative said the agency is still reviewing the report and declined to comment on its recommendations. However, the USPS already has been investigating intelligent mail technology for at least two years. It made development of the system part of a transformation plan it issued last year.
USPS has also assigned its chief privacy officer, Zoe Strickland, to set up a working group to examine and incorporate privacy considerations into intelligent mail programs, according to a document on the agency’s Web site.
The commission that released the report is overseen by the U.S. Department of the Treasury and was established by an executive order from President Bush last year. It’s led by Harry Pearce, chairman of Hughes Electronics, a subsidiary of General Motors, and James Johnson, vice chairman of Perseus, an investment banking firm.
Major high-tech companies, including Canon, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Lockheed Martin, Pitney Bowes, Symbol Technologies and, are pushing the Postal Service to adopt intelligent mail systems. Each participates in a special committee on intelligent mail run by the Mailing Industry Task Force, a cross-industry group formed in 2001 with the support of Postmaster General John Potter.

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#11 Guest_hippie3_*

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Posted 15 August 2003 - 12:05 PM

thx for the info
scary still
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#12 kwy



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Posted 21 August 2003 - 09:35 PM

"We could have best bud contests, most aesthetic mushroom, biggest mushroom, and then we feast on the winners lol."

I wouldn't want to be the winner of that contest Posted Image lol jk

#13 Guest_hippie3_*

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Posted 13 August 2003 - 05:29 PM

yep, that's right.
the government has asked the post office to begin working on 'smart stamps' that will identify who bought them, where they were mailed from, where they went, etc.
how's that grab you ?
every letter, parcel in a record book for uncle sam to trace all your activities via mail.

#14 herman



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Posted 13 August 2003 - 06:17 PM

In the words of Norm McDonald "NAZI GERMANY"

Extremely creepy, the smart stamps will be referred to as "Gastappo Stamps"

Very disturbing but I'm curious on how a smart stamp will function. Having to show an I.D. to purchase stamps is ludacris..Please post anymore info you find Hip......BIG HerM

#15 Guest_myco_*

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Posted 13 August 2003 - 07:05 PM

how 's that gonna work with stamps from overseas ? sounds like an invention to catch the small 'criminals' , all the others use fake id's anyway...they're really obsessed with controlling everything

#16 Guest_diotch_*

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Posted 13 August 2003 - 08:01 PM

well i guess the us postal service won't be geting any more business from me. i would boycott!!!!!!!1

#17 Guest_mycos_*

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Posted 13 August 2003 - 08:17 PM

Yes! Boycott! If these things are implemented, you can count me in for sure!

#18 ridder


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Posted 13 August 2003 - 08:57 PM

i virtually do now.. i pay 100% of my bills thru online services.

#19 Guest_rodger_*

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Posted 13 August 2003 - 09:03 PM

"i virtually do now.. i pay 100% of my bills thru online services".

That's even a better way for them to track you.

#20 Guest_dung_*

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Posted 13 August 2003 - 09:59 PM

how would they make these "Smart Stamps" hippie3?
Couldn't they just keep a log of all the too and return addresses on an envelope or package.

I thought about this in the past, but If they wanted to they could just keep track of all the addresses that a spore supplier.

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