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#1 Il19z8rn4li1

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 12:05 PM

Ok friends and family...im sure some of you have heard of this, some might not.
Its pretty neat, and I have just read some things saying that this is a hoax
along with the Zeitgiest stuff... I dont believe its a hoax at all.. but if it was a hoax
hell they just gave us a pretty damn good head start on forming a new "system"


http://www.thevenusproject.com/

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#2 Bubasti

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 01:06 PM

OK did you have a specific question? Money is a hoax, the whole system is a joke. There is no precious commodity backing our currency. Therefore if a world government crumbles the money is worth less than the paper it is printed on. It is also more subject to manipulation. (e.g. artificial scarcity, futures, commodities, and the Federal reserve) I am excited for you that you are following the Venus Project.

Look into how the federal reserve works. Its not a federal institution nor does it contain reserves.

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*fun conspiracy theory that I am looking into* Lincoln and Kennedy were both assassinated after they tried to take power from the Federal Reserve and have the country print its own currency


I think we will soon see society moving away from Capitalism/ Socialism and looking into Distributism or a resource based economy. Of course this is not plausible with out total socio-economical collapse or revolt.

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Distributism
http://en.wikipedia....i/Post_scarcity
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 01:08 PM

Well i've seen this:
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Further research would be required to make an informed decision,
but I don't feel like watching the Zeitgeist series at the moment.

If I understand you correctly,
the monetary system should be eliminated?

#4 Il19z8rn4li1

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 01:11 PM

nope I had no question lol... im merely sharing information that MUST be shared :-D



on the subject of gov't COMPLEXITIES....no such thing as a CONSPIRACY in this gov't for conspiracy isnt real.
I have spent 6 years of my life studying the history of money.... the history of the world and the powers
that be... I KNOW quiet a bit about the world and its history... I studied back all the way to the start of the
universe...on my journey I have went all the way back to the start of the "world corruption" that be from Egypt.
Egypt turned into Greece Control... as greece fell...it moved to England..the power NEVER changed hands... the
HAND was merely a different "color" through the progress of TIME...BUT WHOA that is a completely different
subject and thread of its own :-D Dont derail the Venus Project that is the subject here,,, its far to important
to be clouded with the World Controllers. :-D

(The derailing comment applies to anyone that might comment in this thread, please
keep this one on point)

Cheers friends.


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Im sharing the Venus Project and the message that it delivers... the more
important thing IS THE MESSAGE... I know these fucks are most likely all talk..
why do i believe this? well they have been around for 5+ years now and have
dont NOTHING...and HAVE MONEY...so ya...

Thanks for that comment,, made me refine even more what this thread is about...
the MESSAGE that its possible to CREATE 100% RENEWABLE resources...
100% world free of hunger...
all the good stuff :-D
We just gotta DO IT... together... not tell "leaders" to do it.. they wont do shit lol

Careful saying those things... that will derail the MESSAGE of this thread.
I see now that the MONEY aspect is a little off base... so its merely the goodness.
You guys feel me now? hehe

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#5 Bubasti

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 01:21 PM

Well i've seen this:
L_er5qQP7mI

Further research would be required to make an informed decision,
but I don't feel like watching the Zeitgeist series at the moment.

If I understand you correctly,
the monetary system should be eliminated?


Well I think it should be eliminated but more over it will implode on itself due fractional reserve banking. A bank can loan out 10 times on an amount deposited (10 dollars becomes 100 dollars) once a loan for 100 dollars is secured with a promissory note (e.g. a home laon, car loan etc) the bank can lend out 10 times on that promissory note) 10 dollars becomes 100 then 1000 then 10,000 and so on. Each loan puts more money in circulation further deflating the dollar.

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The Venus project is a business, but it raises awareness and starts talks like the one we are having now. No institution is perfect. Personally I think Jacque Fresco has an enormous ego, and needs a reality check. Regardless he did a lot of godo in stirring up debates and raising awareness

“Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's needs, but not every man's greed.” ― Mahatma Gandhi

#6 Ilia

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 03:47 PM

What has the Venus Project got to do with Back to the Land ? I've looked at their plans and I never saw any food forests in there. Just pretty-looking cement and more cement, and a few ornamental bushes. Maybe this would fit in 'Life Styles'.

Saw them (Venus Project) first back in 2005 or so. The Project was started in 1975 though(getting close to 40 years old). Don't even see how Venus project can be a 'hoax'. A hoax is a recently fabricated lie designed to make you believe something ... they're just expressing their life philosophy. It's more of a political party than a hoax - sort of like the libertarian party.

I tend to ignore plans which do not start with food security. You can't survive in space if you are not profecient with ecosystems. Can't be getting re-supplied from Earth all the time if you want to live in space and travel from star to star. Gotta learn to do it right on Earth and then take that to space. Thinking long-term survival here.

There is also a strong lack of psychedelics within the venus project. That right there may tell you a lot...

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 04:29 PM

The Venus Project calls for a dynamic allocation of resource calculated and tabulated by computers rather than human bartering so greed and human emotion are removed. "You get what you need not what you say you need." (obviously there would be fail safes)

If you look at some of their city build concepts food and a civic services are located at the center of the city.

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Food would be grown hydroponically, eliminating 75% of the water demand. The building structures could be made through extrusion and using 3d concrete building

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 05:35 PM

The Venus Project calls for a dynamic allocation of resource calculated and tabulated by computers rather than human bartering so greed and human emotion are removed. "You get what you need not what you say you need." (obviously there would be fail safes)

If you look at some of their city build concepts food and a civic services are located at the center of the city.

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Food would be grown hydroponically, eliminating 75% of the water demand. The building structures could be made through extrusion and using 3d concrete building

I am wondering - did you listen and watch that video carefully? He says the department of agriculture will be located at the center and the food will be located there. So essentially an office and a food storage place(like stores without cashiers). A store does not equal food security - where will you replenish that store from when a drought hits and your farms are done? He mentions briefly a strip of agriculture in there and that's about where it stops. Good old monoculture farming has failed us for thousands of years. And if you grow a food forest not only will you not need to water it further - it will actually increase local rain fallout giving water back to the system. If you note the kinds of trees he also plans to put all around the suburbs - all sorts of 'pretty'(his words..) plants and things. No edible plants in the suburbs - he isn't concerned with how far you gotta travel for food or how great fresh food is (only conerned with how far you gotta travel for social functions). On top of that he has lawn all over the place. Lawns are a huge waste of land and take a lot of water and manpower to maintain.
He plans to monitor and clean the air and the water via computers and recycling tech - instead of using permaculture methods and wholesome designs of bioremediation and other such tricks (which are already being used slowly but surely in places like Florida) which do not leech energy (a topic which seems to be avoiding alltogether - solar is not going to provide you manufacturing and recycling power - only sustain the housing units) and connect us to the land.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 06:53 PM

I dont think that 5 minute video does justice. Have you watched the Movie on Netflix or gone to any lectures?

A while back I found my self tired of all the grim doom sayers so I decided to seek out peeps that had a potential solution. After all its really easy to tear down a system, its very hard to propagate an alternative

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 10:17 AM

The hole concept of the Venus Project is def skewed a little bit. There most certainly can
be some changes made.

But ultimately what i like about this guy is that he mentions we have had
the tech to live in abundance since the 1920s-1930s.

Geothermal Power is huge and should be utilized by now.

I believe some of the main points dude is trying to make is the fact that we
have so much technology available to us and we merely let it sit and
waste away... never use it.

Shit, I could develop a food system that can provide immense amounts of food.
All in greenhouses that are all sustaining so man power is VERY limited, but not done
away with.



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Posted 07 March 2012 - 11:40 AM

I am wondering - did you listen and watch that video carefully? He says the department of agriculture will be located at the center and the food will be located there. So essentially an office and a food storage place(like stores without cashiers). A store does not equal food security - where will you replenish that store from when a drought hits and your farms are done? He mentions briefly a strip of agriculture in there and that's about where it stops. Good old monoculture farming has failed us for thousands of years. And if you grow a food forest not only will you not need to water it further - it will actually increase local rain fallout giving water back to the system. If you note the kinds of trees he also plans to put all around the suburbs - all sorts of 'pretty'(his words..) plants and things. No edible plants in the suburbs - he isn't concerned with how far you gotta travel for food or how great fresh food is (only conerned with how far you gotta travel for social functions). On top of that he has lawn all over the place. Lawns are a huge waste of land and take a lot of water and manpower to maintain.
He plans to monitor and clean the air and the water via computers and recycling tech - instead of using permaculture methods and wholesome designs of bioremediation and other such tricks (which are already being used slowly but surely in places like Florida) which do not leech energy (a topic which seems to be avoiding alltogether - solar is not going to provide you manufacturing and recycling power - only sustain the housing units) and connect us to the land.


well, he claimed a hydroponic system in the center for one of his designs, however...

It would be far more efficient to use solar, wind and hydro-power, and recycled organic material to run larger farms outside the city then the methods currently used....... mind you, as a vegetarian and with a cold and calculated mind, I view the world being a much( MUCH) better place without livestock. cows alone destroy so much farmland, and that is just cows, not to mention all the corn (that they shouldn't be eating, or for that matter, corn in general is a horrible thing in our society) that needs to be grown just to feed all this livestock.... i personally think it would be better for the environment, better for the animals, and better for us, and would yield more food, if instead of focusing so much on livestock the world focused on plants. but i do understand that people love meat for some reason... but really and honestly, the world would benefit greatly from switching over to minute livestock farming and primary fruit and veggie. (I'm not saying to get rid of it all the way, i am just saying fruit and veggies are better for the world, grow more edible product per space needed to produce)

and building a system that would clean up the ocean and harvest energy.... i mean come on.... that would be great!

imagine, you harvest energy, clean the ocean, (promoting wildlife to flourish in the ocean) and lift a big weight off our reliance on crude oils, giving us less of a reason to drill in the ocean... I am all for all of this.... and i honestly do believe it is doable.

in these designs there is easily enough room to put up a LOT of solar panels, and it would be lead by technological advancement. think about that.... instead of pumping our efforts into war... we could pump it into making sure every single house had the absolute best solar panels science can make, with all the extra energy from every house and building you could easily power manufacturing plants, and if you planned out the designs of things well enough, the entire recycling processes could be changed from a struggle to a easy simple procedure (like glass soda bottles, just re send and they are re-used after being cleaned.)

i honestly think this is doable..... however i don't think society is ready for it or will accept it. not yet.... this is kind of like living like a machine.... id be willing to do it, just out of my love for science and knowing it would make the world healthy again, and id probably be happy as hell! even if they took away all doable narcotics...... and that's saying something.... i love my weed, but if giving up my weed meant the world could live as it should again i would do it.... probably try and sneak weed in though... just saying.

and hell, just like Il said, not hard to produce a LOT of food on a farm. ESPECIALLY if you have a means to design a system with no limitation from lack of money.
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#12 Il19z8rn4li1

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 11:57 AM

^^^^ Oh ya that's righty..im feeling the vibes now :-D

See that's better then I could have said it...this is the message...

Very nicely done my friend, rep for you ;-)


I know that the air battery will be what powers every home.
A device that is about the size of a normal furnace, that will
easily power a home. Static generator ;-) ZERO moving parts.
ITS GENIUS, Tesla discovered it i believe. I'm building protos
to see how to get it working efficiently...but yes FUNDS are
what limit me.. but surely not for long :-D


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Posted 07 March 2012 - 11:57 AM

fun conspiracy theory that I am looking into* Lincoln and Kennedy were both assassinated after they tried to take power from the Federal Reserve and have the country print its own currency

I didn't look at your link but unless Lincoln was in a weird time warp, he didn't try to take power from the Federal Reserve, as it was created December 23, 1913. Just sayin.
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#14 Il19z8rn4li1

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 12:07 PM

I didn't look at your link but unless Lincoln was in a weird time warp, he didn't try to take power from the Federal Reserve, as it was created December 23, 1913. Just sayin.


off topic but to add ;-)
he just doesnt have all the "facts" yet, August, he probably didnt know that.

BUT to help him out :-D The point he was most likely trying to make there was
that both presidents were making plans to print their own new currency.
AB had the Green Backs that he was going to print...
and Kennedy was going to get out of the gold standard and start using Silver Certs instead.

The powers that be...aka people that make the money...DID not like this ;-) So they took um out.
They have done it to anyone that has ever attempted such an action.

Tis why people have to STOP USING money all together...just dont use it and it will have ZERO
value. Its possible... and probable ;-) Gotta use your mind to develop a new "system"...saying
one is impossible to create is silly.. lazy and irresponsible... if you ask me lol Id want to help
the world as much as I can... why would I think up crazy thoughts like that and throw out
that kinda energy...hit the bricks lol

:-D Cheers

On point now please ;-)


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Posted 07 March 2012 - 12:22 PM

^^^^ Oh ya that's righty..im feeling the vibes now :-D

See that's better then I could have said it...this is the message...

Very nicely done my friend, rep for you ;-)


I know that the air battery will be what powers every home.
A device that is about the size of a normal furnace, that will
easily power a home. Static generator ;-) ZERO moving parts.
ITS GENIUS, Tesla discovered it i believe. I'm building protos
to see how to get it working efficiently...but yes FUNDS are
what limit me.. but surely not for long :-D


tesla did so many great things, I literally am a tesla coil freak, i have 13 in my garage and im currently working on them on a project, trying to make music with them, but its not a topic that really fits well in this forum and i never really talk to anyone about it anymore, all my friends tell me to shut up when i start talking about tesla XD. im a energy freak, there are so many alternatives from hydrogen to some reallly crazy stuff out there.

im assuming your talking about zinc air battery designs? those would be GREAT but would need a (honestly speaking) LOT of refining in order to power a house, if its not that could you elaborate?

speaking about all of this.... XD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI0-c9O0jCI

thought id leave this here.... XD

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 12:43 PM

Maybe I didn't look into this Venus project closely enough but my impression at the time was (Star Trek) TNG style futurist utopianism with some cultish seeming elements.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 12:59 PM

Maybe I didn't look into this Venus project closely enough but my impression at the time was (Star Trek) TNG style futurist utopianism with some cultish seeming elements.


me thinks more like stark expo, but achievable.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 02:25 PM

Ya I am referring to the Zinc Air Batteries.

I believe I have quiet the design that should give off some damn
decent power.

The thing is though...its very expensive...but if it works how I believe it should work..
its worth every penny....no moving parts :-D Nothing to ware down.

These are the magnets ill be using.
Design and SHAPE is KEY.

http://www.magnet4le...products_id=215

To give you guys a little idea of how ill be constructing it, ill be keeping the shape
of the torus energy field in mind ;-) Hence why I believe SHAPE in design is
very important.

Torus_alone2.jpg


This is the ultimate way to go back to the land :-D Utilize magnets in such a way
that their "PULL" can be used to "PULL" energy from around it in unlimited amounts.



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Posted 09 March 2012 - 05:16 AM

I got into the zeitgeist movement & the venus project a few years ago. It still kinda reminds me of that movie "Biodome", but without the fart jokes & awful acting.

I get the feeling most of the media released by these folks is a marketing campaign. An increasingly common advertising tactic is the "guilt appeal", especially with environmental issues. We as a society have been burning dinosaur farts faster than a junkie can go though a crack rock. It's no secret that we're turning the atmosphere into poison, & killing the oceans with floating islands of plastic & oil sludge. Hell, we're blowing whole mountains apart to get coal and shattering layers of bedrock to extract natural gas. People demand that someone fix the problem, all while they haul ass down the interstate in a private hollow hunk of metal & plastic the size of a rhinoceros. Since there are no real alternatives, consciously or subconsciously, we feel guilty when knowingly contribute to the problem.

The advertisers goal is to make us feel good about buying or buying into things that are laden with terms like "green" or "renewable". Unfortunately, the details often reveal that a "green" buy like a new electric car, may need a battery made out of limited rare earth metals requiring 10 times their weight in oil to manufacture. After you add in a few more barrels of oil to produce the circuitry, insulation, body paneling, tires, seats, motor and just about everything else can you still call that renewable or green? bah.

The venus project also seems to ignore the energy input requirements needed to make their "sustainable" model work in the first place. For a model to work, efficiency needs to increase, consumption needs to decrease, and the quality and makeup of materials needs to come from truly sustainable sources as well.

Additionally, I think any system worth building to that scale HAS to fully involve the major elemental cycles for environmental and social stability. (carbon cycle, nitrogen cycle, soil cycle, water cycle) Large scale hydroponics would demand entirely too much power to run bubblers & pumps and there would also be time and energy invested in manufacturing the liquid fertilizers with unnecessary waste as a byproduct. Even if natural geographic features could be utilized to reduce a dependence on power (like a natural waterfall for aeration), those places would be limited in number, and still not safe from failure. (drought/water contamination)

For electricity, if not fusion, another tech I've taken a personal interest in (and so has google inc.) is liquid Fluoride Thorium. When they were developing nuclear energy, it was originally written off as being a sub-standard element since it can't be enriched to make a bomb. Thorium is a mildly radioactive element with a slower decay rate than it's high energy counterparts. It is a pretty common element here on earth too. There is little danger of a meltdown, since you can instantly kill the reactor. Even better, the reactors would be inexpensive to build, and the nuclear waste from thorium is easier to dispose of without catastrophic environmental impacts.
This guy can tell you more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHs2Ugxo7-8

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 09:50 AM

Hells ya Dinix :-D

Great post my friend.
Those are most of the points that REAL people see...when I mean REAL.. i mean
people like you and I, people that feel that its SAFE to be FAIR... lol know what I mean ;-)

There are def points to be adjusted...but so many of us know that its very practical....for the possibility is their
and right in front of our faces :-D

This will happen within the next 100 years :-D I will assure this thank you very much.

I just wish people with "MONEY" would actually do something useful with their funds...
for someone that has 1million dollars to use...would change the world with just that, and
it would start with a single community. I feel this at least...
If I had the money in hand...id spend the rest of my days planning my lot to build on :-D

The transition IS going to cost A LOT...but in the beginning what pays for the COST
will be able to pay for NOTHING in the end, wont need anything to pay with beside
community interaction... it will be FUN to go help out in the garden :-D


PS>>>
After watching some of that video... you know one thing that
I do not like about this energy
Dinix? The fact that you can put
a meter on it still..
THIS METER needs to get the fuck out of town lol...
METER = CONTROL... in my mind at least...

Edited by Il19z8rn4li1, 09 March 2012 - 10:35 AM.





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