yeah i've been slowly building a backup plan.
my state would be one fuckin hell of a cluster fuck.
i definately need plans and utilities....
so yeah.
Surviving the coming holocaust ?
Started By
Guest_hippie3_*
, Jul 17 2004 10:05 AM
268 replies to this topic
#22
Guest_hippie3_*
Guest_hippie3_*
-
- Guest
Posted 17 July 2004 - 10:05 AM
not claiming to be a 'psychic'
but i've been getting a growing feeling of impending disaster for america and the west.
kind of a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach,
worry.
i remember how 9-11 almost sent the nation into panic,
and i wonder if/when an even more devastating attack comes,
how will we all survive ?
what if 'osamas revenge' becomes reality,
and one or more american cities get nuked,
killing hundreds of thousands or even millions,
are we ready to make it in a post-holocaust world ?
anyone stock-piling food, water, ammunition ?
got a place in mind to bug-out to if the
fit hits the shan ?
i do, and i'm getting prepared too.
in the near future
i'll be posting a lot more of steps we can take to help ourselves and our families cope if the systems we all depend on go haywire
and it's every man for himself.
but i've been getting a growing feeling of impending disaster for america and the west.
kind of a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach,
worry.
i remember how 9-11 almost sent the nation into panic,
and i wonder if/when an even more devastating attack comes,
how will we all survive ?
what if 'osamas revenge' becomes reality,
and one or more american cities get nuked,
killing hundreds of thousands or even millions,
are we ready to make it in a post-holocaust world ?
anyone stock-piling food, water, ammunition ?
got a place in mind to bug-out to if the
fit hits the shan ?
i do, and i'm getting prepared too.
in the near future
i'll be posting a lot more of steps we can take to help ourselves and our families cope if the systems we all depend on go haywire
and it's every man for himself.
#23
Guest_taoist_*
Guest_taoist_*
-
- Guest
Posted 17 July 2004 - 11:34 AM
I don't think there's much one can do to prepare for the impending downfall of our society. When it happens, we will simply have to look around at what's left (which won't be much) and do whatever it is we decide to do. What exactly do you propose as to what will happen? The thing is, the only way we will really have a serious influence on any of this is after our government collapses or is overthrown, at which time we can rebuild or fight whatever it is that took us over and THEN rebuild. My guess is if it happened it would be very similar to Mad Max or The Road Warrior (minus the bondage gear...never understood that...), since everyone is crazy for oil. Once that nasty shit runs out and the fit hits the shan, as you put it, assuming we don't get hit as you and I both think we will, then we're going to have that can of worms on our hands.
Somebody's got to have a plan (I'll bet it's Bush - daddy, not dipshit). I doubt it's a very good one, but I'm sure it works for them and will help them personally come out on top. Sadly, we're all screwed. I think what we're all really about to find out is that this massive communication hub we have built for ourselves in that last two decades is our absolute undoing - the new revolution is that of information. Terrorism, which in some form will alter our society and will not ever be destroyed, works from within a society, that's why it's so effective and so hard to stop.
How about this - instead of a nuke hitting a city, Osama just takes 10 good shots and tells them to go D.C.-style on ten random "tri-city" areas around the country. It doesn't take much to scare the crap out of Americans and make a PROFOUND impact on their society - the second place of 9/11 hit thirty minutes later on purpose - had to give the news crews enough time to set up so we could all watch it go down on our prescious live cable.
We're screwed. Maybe not you and I (hehe), but I have a feeling most people are. Then again, I'm kind of a cynic.
Somebody's got to have a plan (I'll bet it's Bush - daddy, not dipshit). I doubt it's a very good one, but I'm sure it works for them and will help them personally come out on top. Sadly, we're all screwed. I think what we're all really about to find out is that this massive communication hub we have built for ourselves in that last two decades is our absolute undoing - the new revolution is that of information. Terrorism, which in some form will alter our society and will not ever be destroyed, works from within a society, that's why it's so effective and so hard to stop.
How about this - instead of a nuke hitting a city, Osama just takes 10 good shots and tells them to go D.C.-style on ten random "tri-city" areas around the country. It doesn't take much to scare the crap out of Americans and make a PROFOUND impact on their society - the second place of 9/11 hit thirty minutes later on purpose - had to give the news crews enough time to set up so we could all watch it go down on our prescious live cable.
We're screwed. Maybe not you and I (hehe), but I have a feeling most people are. Then again, I'm kind of a cynic.
#24
Guest_cleanjar_*
Guest_cleanjar_*
-
- Guest
Posted 17 July 2004 - 12:16 PM
ive had a gut feeling that if/when something happens again, it will be in either seattle, miami, la, or dc (again).
one of the four corners of the country.. or all of them at the same time.
i completely dont need to be thinking about this; id rather not.
one of the four corners of the country.. or all of them at the same time.
i completely dont need to be thinking about this; id rather not.
#25
shedthemonkey
-
- Expired Member
- 1,455 posts
Mycotopiate
Posted 17 July 2004 - 12:21 PM
Been having the same feeling for a while myself.
I have never owned a firearm but lately have been itching to start a collection of ammunition and a few reliable handguns, along with lots of small chunks of gold, silver, platinum, precious and semi-precious stones for trade goods for when we implode.
I think the spector of total annialation is no longer as big a possibility (tho glitches may still launch some MIRVS) but smaller scale killing off of some of our larger cities is still a real possibility.
My favorite book on post apocolypse US/Canada is called Heiro's Journey. Anyone else a fan of this book?
We may end up losing a sizable part of the population and then those who have the ability to defend themselves and do what is necessary to survive will continue on.
I refuse to be easy meat.
I have never owned a firearm but lately have been itching to start a collection of ammunition and a few reliable handguns, along with lots of small chunks of gold, silver, platinum, precious and semi-precious stones for trade goods for when we implode.
I think the spector of total annialation is no longer as big a possibility (tho glitches may still launch some MIRVS) but smaller scale killing off of some of our larger cities is still a real possibility.
My favorite book on post apocolypse US/Canada is called Heiro's Journey. Anyone else a fan of this book?
We may end up losing a sizable part of the population and then those who have the ability to defend themselves and do what is necessary to survive will continue on.
I refuse to be easy meat.
#26
Guest_odin_*
Guest_odin_*
-
- Guest
Posted 17 July 2004 - 12:47 PM
Good weapon choices in my opinion:
12 guage pump, good close in weapon, good for hunting small game when food is short, common as hell.
.22 caliber guns, common as hell, ammo would be in supply for a good long while. Cheap and easy to obtain the weapon. Will kill you just as dead as anything else. It won't be as effective as arms the military will be carrying, but my two cents says you won't want to get near any surviving military if martial law is in effect.
12 guage pump, good close in weapon, good for hunting small game when food is short, common as hell.
.22 caliber guns, common as hell, ammo would be in supply for a good long while. Cheap and easy to obtain the weapon. Will kill you just as dead as anything else. It won't be as effective as arms the military will be carrying, but my two cents says you won't want to get near any surviving military if martial law is in effect.
#27
Guest_the_*
Guest_the_*
-
- Guest
Posted 17 July 2004 - 01:02 PM
I've got my 12ga pump, my Ruger .22 w/ 30 round clip,
plenty of shrooms and the ability to
1) make beer
2) make soap
from just about anything.
I should be a pretty popular guy post-apocolypse,
at the very least I'll be clean and drunk
soliver
plenty of shrooms and the ability to
1) make beer
2) make soap
from just about anything.
I should be a pretty popular guy post-apocolypse,
at the very least I'll be clean and drunk
soliver
#28
Guest_i_am_me_*
Guest_i_am_me_*
-
- Guest
Posted 17 July 2004 - 01:07 PM
I'm in one of the 5 largest cities in the US. Maybe I should....get out. Heheheh.
Heheheh.
#29
billyboy
-
- Banned Member
- 352 posts
Former Member
Posted 17 July 2004 - 01:11 PM
my 4-10 shot gun is for -- (if this ever happened)
hunting small game, and for my intrusion killing system.
lol
It can take a nice 44 round if needed.
I know how to make beer,
Perhaps ill barder and trade my alcohol for everything.
- BB
hunting small game, and for my intrusion killing system.
lol
It can take a nice 44 round if needed.
I know how to make beer,
Perhaps ill barder and trade my alcohol for everything.
- BB
#30
Guest_hippie3_*
Guest_hippie3_*
-
- Guest
Posted 17 July 2004 - 05:41 PM
gasoline supplies would be one of the first major problems, imo.
even if the PANIC phase is of relatively short duration, the government would likely seize what it needed to operate and the local distribution nets we depend on would run dry
or be diverted by greedy bastids who want it all
or exhorbitant prices.
and of course once gas is rare
the supermarkets are the next to get hit
as everyone grabs what they can.
that was 9-11 feeling,
everyone running here and there
buying gas, food, water, etc
but 300 million americans can't all go shopping
on one day, there won't be enough for everyone.
even if the PANIC phase is of relatively short duration, the government would likely seize what it needed to operate and the local distribution nets we depend on would run dry
or be diverted by greedy bastids who want it all
or exhorbitant prices.
and of course once gas is rare
the supermarkets are the next to get hit
as everyone grabs what they can.
that was 9-11 feeling,
everyone running here and there
buying gas, food, water, etc
but 300 million americans can't all go shopping
on one day, there won't be enough for everyone.
#31
Guest_taoist_*
Guest_taoist_*
-
- Guest
Posted 17 July 2004 - 06:27 PM
But what can you do?
You're screwed.
You can't keep your house stocked like a grocer all the time.
The best bet for a person wanting to avoid all of this,
would be to get the hell out of here
before this shit gets crazy.
Like there's somewhere to go where war will never find you.
Otherwise, you take your chances with the rest of us.
You're screwed.
You can't keep your house stocked like a grocer all the time.
The best bet for a person wanting to avoid all of this,
would be to get the hell out of here
before this shit gets crazy.
Like there's somewhere to go where war will never find you.
Otherwise, you take your chances with the rest of us.
#32
Guest_odin_*
Guest_odin_*
-
- Guest
Posted 17 July 2004 - 06:48 PM
One horrid factoid is that any/all major cities are tied into the transit systems for their survival. All items necessary for a daily existence need to be brought in via air, rail, or truck. (about the only thing not hauled in is water, but the chemicals that process it are) Cut off these sources and any large population quickly consumes all food within 5 days. So if things seriously fall apart and transport systems break down, it will be the food that goes first, and rather quickly. There aren't vast amounts of things stored in warehouses, it is the pipeline of transit that constantly replaces goods. The first thing interrupted WILL BE FOOD!
#33
Guest_hippie3_*
Guest_hippie3_*
-
- Guest
Posted 17 July 2004 - 07:00 PM
<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>
You can't keep your house stocked like a grocer all the time. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
why not ?
people used to,
i remember my grandma's cellar was stocked to the ceiling with canned goods and sundry items,
people who grew up after the Great Depression-era or during the early Cold War fallout-shelter craze did it too,
why can't we ?
at least, the essentials.
20-30 gallons of water for each member of the house, say 50 gallons of gasoline per vehicle,
canned meats and veggies.
esp. if you live in a large urban area.
i'm lucky,
i'm just about 90 minutes away from a small midwestern town where i have friends/family that we could ride out the storm with,
i'm keeping my vehicles gassed up
and ready to rock if needed.
i could be loaded and out the door in a few hours
with enough gear and supplies to last a dozen people a month.
i figure that's about enough,
order should be back in some form within a few weeks of a major disaster.
it's kinda like hurricane season,
we've all seen the videos of people rushing into stores buying everything off the shelves when a storm comes, batteries, flashlights, generators, candles, fuel oil, etc. all go very fast.
don't be the last guy on your block in line.
think and plan ahead.
You can't keep your house stocked like a grocer all the time. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
why not ?
people used to,
i remember my grandma's cellar was stocked to the ceiling with canned goods and sundry items,
people who grew up after the Great Depression-era or during the early Cold War fallout-shelter craze did it too,
why can't we ?
at least, the essentials.
20-30 gallons of water for each member of the house, say 50 gallons of gasoline per vehicle,
canned meats and veggies.
esp. if you live in a large urban area.
i'm lucky,
i'm just about 90 minutes away from a small midwestern town where i have friends/family that we could ride out the storm with,
i'm keeping my vehicles gassed up
and ready to rock if needed.
i could be loaded and out the door in a few hours
with enough gear and supplies to last a dozen people a month.
i figure that's about enough,
order should be back in some form within a few weeks of a major disaster.
it's kinda like hurricane season,
we've all seen the videos of people rushing into stores buying everything off the shelves when a storm comes, batteries, flashlights, generators, candles, fuel oil, etc. all go very fast.
don't be the last guy on your block in line.
think and plan ahead.
#34
1dumbmyco
-
- Expired Member
- 469 posts
Mycotopiate
Posted 17 July 2004 - 08:20 PM
<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>
i remember how 9-11 almost sent the nation into panic,
and i wonder if/when an even more devastating attack comes,
how will we all survive ? <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
I rarely voice my political views, opinions like assholes and elbows nearly everyone has one, but I wondered the same thing. I have seen signs that further my initial mental ramblings, to which I am prone, and I think it is a good idea to prepare as best you can for the possibility. I never bought into the Y2K thing, though I did purchase a weapon prior to the nonevent just in case. I was raised around hunting and went through a target practice phase in the mid 80's for fun though I have never killed an animal myself intentionally, I know I can. I have lived in the 'burbs all my life but was fortunate enough to have a father who took me out and taught me to hunt, gather mushrooms, and eat "live edibles" as he grew up in the 30's depression. I was a late in life baby and have benefited a great deal from the morals and knowledge of those who have truly suffered and survived. As I post more you will come to know the understandings I have and probably correct me on my noble misconceptions. To sum up: "People get ready, there is a change a-comin'" but it still may not be all that bad in our few tours around the sun. Here's to hope!
i remember how 9-11 almost sent the nation into panic,
and i wonder if/when an even more devastating attack comes,
how will we all survive ? <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
I rarely voice my political views, opinions like assholes and elbows nearly everyone has one, but I wondered the same thing. I have seen signs that further my initial mental ramblings, to which I am prone, and I think it is a good idea to prepare as best you can for the possibility. I never bought into the Y2K thing, though I did purchase a weapon prior to the nonevent just in case. I was raised around hunting and went through a target practice phase in the mid 80's for fun though I have never killed an animal myself intentionally, I know I can. I have lived in the 'burbs all my life but was fortunate enough to have a father who took me out and taught me to hunt, gather mushrooms, and eat "live edibles" as he grew up in the 30's depression. I was a late in life baby and have benefited a great deal from the morals and knowledge of those who have truly suffered and survived. As I post more you will come to know the understandings I have and probably correct me on my noble misconceptions. To sum up: "People get ready, there is a change a-comin'" but it still may not be all that bad in our few tours around the sun. Here's to hope!
#35
Guest_hippie3_*
Guest_hippie3_*
-
- Guest
Posted 17 July 2004 - 08:27 PM
one BIG problem will be
the hundreds of thousands fleeing the disaster scenes/cities,
and those fleeing elsewhere 'just in case'.
rural america
is not ready to welcome and care for millions of panicked city-dwellers coming their way.
the hundreds of thousands fleeing the disaster scenes/cities,
and those fleeing elsewhere 'just in case'.
rural america
is not ready to welcome and care for millions of panicked city-dwellers coming their way.
#36
Guest_hippie3_*
Guest_hippie3_*
-
- Guest
Posted 17 July 2004 - 08:32 PM
<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>
12 guage pump, good close in weapon, good for hunting small game when food is short, common as hell.
.22 caliber guns, common as hell, ammo would be in supply for a good long while. Cheap and easy to obtain the weapon. Will kill you just as dead as anything else. It won't be as effective as arms the military will be carrying, but my two cents says you won't want to get near any surviving military if martial law is in effect.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
both are very good choices,
a person will want to select COMMON calibers like the .22 which will be abundant and easy to find for quite some time even after disaster strikes.
not to mention that 500 rounds of .22 LR is only about the size and weight of an ordinary brick,
easy to stock a few thousand rounds as it's cheap.
12 ga. shotgun ammo is much the same,
very common.
but don't neglect at least one rifle with a scope as hunting for food ain't as easy as one might think.
12 guage pump, good close in weapon, good for hunting small game when food is short, common as hell.
.22 caliber guns, common as hell, ammo would be in supply for a good long while. Cheap and easy to obtain the weapon. Will kill you just as dead as anything else. It won't be as effective as arms the military will be carrying, but my two cents says you won't want to get near any surviving military if martial law is in effect.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
both are very good choices,
a person will want to select COMMON calibers like the .22 which will be abundant and easy to find for quite some time even after disaster strikes.
not to mention that 500 rounds of .22 LR is only about the size and weight of an ordinary brick,
easy to stock a few thousand rounds as it's cheap.
12 ga. shotgun ammo is much the same,
very common.
but don't neglect at least one rifle with a scope as hunting for food ain't as easy as one might think.
#37
Guest_cowboy_*
Guest_cowboy_*
-
- Guest
Posted 17 July 2004 - 08:39 PM
since 9/11 my family has become much more self sufficient.Its one of the reasons Im here.Ever read "Alas Babylon"?
Ive embraced "applied science" in a big way.
Were stocked up good,with several weeks rations.Armed to the teeth with lots of high end ammo?
Maybe
Can y'all ride a horse any? They dont need gas,ride all day on grass and oats.
Some people think we're living in a "golden age" like the Renaissance before the dark ages.
Oh yeah,Im far more scared of bio weapons than nukes.
Ive embraced "applied science" in a big way.
Were stocked up good,with several weeks rations.Armed to the teeth with lots of high end ammo?
Maybe Can y'all ride a horse any? They dont need gas,ride all day on grass and oats.
Some people think we're living in a "golden age" like the Renaissance before the dark ages.
Oh yeah,Im far more scared of bio weapons than nukes.
#38
Guest_taoist_*
Guest_taoist_*
-
- Guest
Posted 17 July 2004 - 08:43 PM
The problem is, if you stockpile, you have to defend your pile. One shotgun and a bunch of .22s will not do anything to a newly-formed gang of your hungry ex-neighbors. Our country has lots of guns, and I'm sure every asshole with a hand will have one if something we're all thinking of happening happens.
The second problem, after that, becomes when a person runs out of food. You either rob your neighbor that was smart enough to prepare, or you get ready to go to the countryside to rob a farmer. So that's part three - even after figuring out how you personally survive, becoming Farmer Brown in the mid-west, you still have to deal with all those pricks that are still back dealing with their #2 problem - you now have to defend a farm from people trying to take it from you.
If, suddenly, the entire structure of our country broke down, there would be absolute anarchy, with very fast feudal systems emerging before some other country comes in and takes all of us over (I wonder who that would be?). If we just sit around with no direction, everyone acting like tribal people, it could very well take us a century to get ourselves back to something our current selves would define as "civilized."
The second problem, after that, becomes when a person runs out of food. You either rob your neighbor that was smart enough to prepare, or you get ready to go to the countryside to rob a farmer. So that's part three - even after figuring out how you personally survive, becoming Farmer Brown in the mid-west, you still have to deal with all those pricks that are still back dealing with their #2 problem - you now have to defend a farm from people trying to take it from you.
If, suddenly, the entire structure of our country broke down, there would be absolute anarchy, with very fast feudal systems emerging before some other country comes in and takes all of us over (I wonder who that would be?). If we just sit around with no direction, everyone acting like tribal people, it could very well take us a century to get ourselves back to something our current selves would define as "civilized."
#39
Guest_hippie3_*
Guest_hippie3_*
-
- Guest
Posted 17 July 2004 - 08:49 PM
<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>
you now have to defend a farm from people trying to take it from you.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
pretty much true,
which is why families and friends
need to band together to make their stand.
i've given it some thought,
and where i'm going i'm related to
half the county and we're dating the other half.
lots of young big strong bucks to man the barricades, and i'm supplying the brains and the tools they need so we both need each other.
plus since it's blood i know they will stand by me longer than strangers i just run into.
plenty of sweet young things too,
to entertain and go forth with to multiply...
family and friends-
there's your support network,
each bringing what it can to
build a stronghold.
you now have to defend a farm from people trying to take it from you.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
pretty much true,
which is why families and friends
need to band together to make their stand.
i've given it some thought,
and where i'm going i'm related to
half the county and we're dating the other half.
lots of young big strong bucks to man the barricades, and i'm supplying the brains and the tools they need so we both need each other.
plus since it's blood i know they will stand by me longer than strangers i just run into.
plenty of sweet young things too,
to entertain and go forth with to multiply...
family and friends-
there's your support network,
each bringing what it can to
build a stronghold.
#40
Guest_hippie3_*
Guest_hippie3_*
-
- Guest
Posted 17 July 2004 - 08:53 PM
<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>
Oh yeah,Im far more scared of bio weapons than nukes. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
now THAT is the truly most terrifying [dangerous]
scenario
as it would force folks to keep strangers at bay
which would undoubtedly lead to violence.
Oh yeah,Im far more scared of bio weapons than nukes. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
now THAT is the truly most terrifying [dangerous]
scenario
as it would force folks to keep strangers at bay
which would undoubtedly lead to violence.
