and the ability to
1) make beer
2) make soap <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
beer & wine making skills/gear i have,
working on soap now.
Surviving the coming holocaust ?
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Posted 17 July 2004 - 08:54 PM
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and the ability to
1) make beer
2) make soap <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
beer & wine making skills/gear i have,
working on soap now.
and the ability to
1) make beer
2) make soap <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
beer & wine making skills/gear i have,
working on soap now.
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Posted 17 July 2004 - 08:55 PM
btw-
cash on hand will be important too.
a couple thousand in cash on the day it comes down
so no trip to any bank is needed,
ATM machines may not work.
cash on hand will be important too.
a couple thousand in cash on the day it comes down
so no trip to any bank is needed,
ATM machines may not work.
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Posted 17 July 2004 - 09:01 PM
Cash?
For what?
What is cash worth without a government to back it up?
For what?
What is cash worth without a government to back it up?
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Posted 17 July 2004 - 09:06 PM
the sky isn't falling,
it will take time before cash becomes worthless,
on the day of disaster
folks will still be selling goods.
frankly i doubt that the anarchy will be permanent, and i think the government would recover and some degree of civil order will prevail in much of the country.
rural america can survive ok,
it's city-folk who'll be screwed worst.
esp. those near the disaster/s
it will take time before cash becomes worthless,
on the day of disaster
folks will still be selling goods.
frankly i doubt that the anarchy will be permanent, and i think the government would recover and some degree of civil order will prevail in much of the country.
rural america can survive ok,
it's city-folk who'll be screwed worst.
esp. those near the disaster/s
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Posted 17 July 2004 - 09:09 PM
remember-
the government has spent the last 60 years preparing itself for nuclear armageddon,
it will survive, so will much of the police and military in various un-affected areas
so it won't be a free-for-all like
'mad max', at least not right away.
and one will need to survive the short run
before long term becomes a concern.
the first weeks will matter most.
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the government has spent the last 60 years preparing itself for nuclear armageddon,
it will survive, so will much of the police and military in various un-affected areas
so it won't be a free-for-all like
'mad max', at least not right away.
and one will need to survive the short run
before long term becomes a concern.
the first weeks will matter most.
(Message edited by admin on July 18, 2004)
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Posted 17 July 2004 - 09:30 PM
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one BIG problem will be
the hundreds of thousands fleeing the disaster scenes/cities,
and those fleeing elsewhere 'just in case'.
rural america
is not ready to welcome and care for millions of panicked city-dwellers coming their way<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
Agreed fully and I do have few friends, each with their own abilities, which you mention intelligently further in your post, to add to the chance of survival. I know some places, that short term will provide adequate shelter, food, and hopefully water within a 50-100 miles. If you are going all out some great water purifier products are available to outdoorists which may prove handy in a worst case scenario. [email protected], I am talking politics again...ARRRGGGGG.
Peace.
one BIG problem will be
the hundreds of thousands fleeing the disaster scenes/cities,
and those fleeing elsewhere 'just in case'.
rural america
is not ready to welcome and care for millions of panicked city-dwellers coming their way<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
Agreed fully and I do have few friends, each with their own abilities, which you mention intelligently further in your post, to add to the chance of survival. I know some places, that short term will provide adequate shelter, food, and hopefully water within a 50-100 miles. If you are going all out some great water purifier products are available to outdoorists which may prove handy in a worst case scenario. [email protected], I am talking politics again...ARRRGGGGG.
Peace.
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Posted 17 July 2004 - 09:36 PM
I'll be highly surprised if there ever is a wide scale attack. If it is going to happen though, it will before November.
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Posted 17 July 2004 - 09:37 PM
This is something I've thought about since youth.
All of your strategies are excellent, stockpiling, shelters and firearms, something I will do too.
Strongly considering buying some firearms and ammo when I get a sufficient cash flow going, hopefully very soon.
My ultimate goal in life is near-total self-sufficiency...to "Unplug from the Matrix",so to speak, as much as I can...owning some land to grow my own food and produce my own energy with Solar Panels, Hydrogen Cells and Wind Generators.
I'm very intersted in studying Electronic Engineering, and Nikola Tesla and Wilhelm Reich in particular...I'd like to get as many books as I can (whatever hasn't been suppressed by the Man yet) and just seeing if I can figure out for myself what it was that made the Man move in on these folks and confiscate the stuff that has been said to have the potential to put the energy cartels out of business.
That's right up there with eating and defending oneself....the energy to power it all. Because if Gas becomes short in supply and high in demand, I'd like to have some alternatives. They may not be the best, but if they're workable in a state of Living Hell, they'd have to do.
Learn how to rig up a normal vehicle to run on Vegetable Oil, Steam, or Hydrogen Cells, for example....it's been done, and CAN and WILL be improved upon. I believe it!
All of your strategies are excellent, stockpiling, shelters and firearms, something I will do too.
Strongly considering buying some firearms and ammo when I get a sufficient cash flow going, hopefully very soon.
My ultimate goal in life is near-total self-sufficiency...to "Unplug from the Matrix",so to speak, as much as I can...owning some land to grow my own food and produce my own energy with Solar Panels, Hydrogen Cells and Wind Generators.
I'm very intersted in studying Electronic Engineering, and Nikola Tesla and Wilhelm Reich in particular...I'd like to get as many books as I can (whatever hasn't been suppressed by the Man yet) and just seeing if I can figure out for myself what it was that made the Man move in on these folks and confiscate the stuff that has been said to have the potential to put the energy cartels out of business.
That's right up there with eating and defending oneself....the energy to power it all. Because if Gas becomes short in supply and high in demand, I'd like to have some alternatives. They may not be the best, but if they're workable in a state of Living Hell, they'd have to do.
Learn how to rig up a normal vehicle to run on Vegetable Oil, Steam, or Hydrogen Cells, for example....it's been done, and CAN and WILL be improved upon. I believe it!
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Posted 17 July 2004 - 09:39 PM
this really isn't political,
republican or democrat,
green or rainbow
we'll all be in deep shit together
if things go wrong.
if anything
maybe a disaster would teach us to value each other more, and realize that political games just don't matter much
when life gets real.
(Message edited by admin on July 18, 2004)
republican or democrat,
green or rainbow
we'll all be in deep shit together
if things go wrong.
if anything
maybe a disaster would teach us to value each other more, and realize that political games just don't matter much
when life gets real.
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Posted 17 July 2004 - 09:42 PM
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I'll be highly surprised if there ever is a wide scale attack<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
that's the whole point,
you and everybody else too.
and that's when the panic starts
as folks realize how un-prepared they are
and how un-protected.
I'll be highly surprised if there ever is a wide scale attack<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
that's the whole point,
you and everybody else too.
and that's when the panic starts
as folks realize how un-prepared they are
and how un-protected.
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Posted 17 July 2004 - 09:47 PM
i've also started buying everything in bulk.
shop at costco and i get catsup by the gallon,
60 rolls of toilet paper, etc.
can't forget TP, i refuse.
shop at costco and i get catsup by the gallon,
60 rolls of toilet paper, etc.
can't forget TP, i refuse.
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Posted 17 July 2004 - 10:14 PM
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green or rainbow
we'll all be in deep shit together
if things go wrong.
; 60 rolls of toilet paper, etc.
can't forget TP, i refuse. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
hahahahhaa beat me to it.....
green or rainbow
we'll all be in deep shit together
if things go wrong.
; 60 rolls of toilet paper, etc.
can't forget TP, i refuse. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
hahahahhaa beat me to it.....
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Posted 17 July 2004 - 10:37 PM
another worry might be the threat of accidental full-scale thermo-nuclear war,
or perhaps opportunism by an old enemy
when they see us fall to our knees from the blow.
if a handful of major americans cities were more-or-less simultaneously destroyed by nuclear explosion i worry that the military might reflexively strike at russia or china, etc.
thinking that we had been hit by them.
or perhaps opportunism by an old enemy
when they see us fall to our knees from the blow.
if a handful of major americans cities were more-or-less simultaneously destroyed by nuclear explosion i worry that the military might reflexively strike at russia or china, etc.
thinking that we had been hit by them.
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Posted 17 July 2004 - 11:35 PM
There is an excellent book by Larry Niven called Lucifer's Hammer. Not many copies around but can be had on the secondary market fairly easily. Anyway, it is an extremely good book to get your mindset for what would become important in the case of a society shattering event (in the book's case was a comet or asteroid). Priorities have to shift and specific skills (beer yes, soap maybe) and knowledge (books) would become highly prized and guarantee a place in small groups. Farming knowledge would be at a premium. Niven is as close to a prophet as I need and even tho it is dated a bit, still some good stuff to gnaw on. Mentioned above is Alas Babylon which is good too, but Niven is my man! Hippie would likely dig the part about chemical weapons becoming a Necesity as there will be a struggle for resources. Always comes down to that with us monkeys. Might makes right and if we build a weapon, any weapon, we WILL use it.
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Posted 18 July 2004 - 01:15 AM
Yeah, i highly recommend Lucifers Hammer as well, it is an excellent book, and niven spent quite a bit of time working out what he thought would happen in this sort of mess.
For my part, i live in a rural area that can support itself (not counting gas, and power once the oil reserves run out), with many clean creeks and such (our water uses no power to get filtered and delivered to us, only gravity).
We have a good selection of guns as well, a few .22's, including one that could double as a sniper rifle (you wouldn't believe how accurate it is, it's scary) and shorter range ones, handguns. etc.
Mostly we're missing a long term food supply.
A couple 55 gallon drums of fuel would be good as well.
I've been having feelings of inpending DOOM for about a year now, but they have started slacking off recently, i don't know why.
For my part, i live in a rural area that can support itself (not counting gas, and power once the oil reserves run out), with many clean creeks and such (our water uses no power to get filtered and delivered to us, only gravity).
We have a good selection of guns as well, a few .22's, including one that could double as a sniper rifle (you wouldn't believe how accurate it is, it's scary) and shorter range ones, handguns. etc.
Mostly we're missing a long term food supply.
A couple 55 gallon drums of fuel would be good as well.
I've been having feelings of inpending DOOM for about a year now, but they have started slacking off recently, i don't know why.
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Posted 18 July 2004 - 03:50 AM
i think, that if something like that happens (pray it doesn't) that many americans will band together, and help eachother, in a crisis.. that's what happens when a town is ravaged by a tornado, or a state smashed with a serious hurricane, people help eachother out
lol i can just picture hippie three sitting and waiting in his homemade fall out shelter suiting up like in rambo part one when stallone breaks into the guns and ammo store and loads up on machine guns, ammo, gernades, gasoline and gun powder.. lol guarding his food and other resources that will be scarce, like TP
lol, its far too late at night for me to seriously think about how to prepare for inpending DOOM
lol i can just picture hippie three sitting and waiting in his homemade fall out shelter suiting up like in rambo part one when stallone breaks into the guns and ammo store and loads up on machine guns, ammo, gernades, gasoline and gun powder.. lol guarding his food and other resources that will be scarce, like TP
lol, its far too late at night for me to seriously think about how to prepare for inpending DOOM
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Posted 18 July 2004 - 08:03 AM
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accidental full-scale thermo-nuclear war,<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
Whoopsiedaisy, did I just push all those big red buttons?
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i can just picture hippie three sitting and waiting in his homemade fall out shelter suiting up like in rambo part one<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
hahaha...like me waiting for those bastard possums that keep digging up my pot plants...different story entirely (I don't think these are the kind of invaders we're talking about)...
accidental full-scale thermo-nuclear war,<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
Whoopsiedaisy, did I just push all those big red buttons?
<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>
i can just picture hippie three sitting and waiting in his homemade fall out shelter suiting up like in rambo part one<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
hahaha...like me waiting for those bastard possums that keep digging up my pot plants...different story entirely (I don't think these are the kind of invaders we're talking about)...
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Posted 18 July 2004 - 08:08 AM
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Alas Babylon which is good <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
read that
a long time ago,
good book.
i've been interested in survivalism
at least 30 years now.
just the boy scout part of my personality,
i have a full propane tank on my porch,
several barrels of water, several tanks of gasoline, etc.
tents, camp stoves, fishing tackle by the truckload, you name it,
odds are i got it already.
lol
no rambo tho,
way too old.
i'll let my younger cousins handle that part.
Alas Babylon which is good <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
read that
a long time ago,
good book.
i've been interested in survivalism
at least 30 years now.
just the boy scout part of my personality,
i have a full propane tank on my porch,
several barrels of water, several tanks of gasoline, etc.
tents, camp stoves, fishing tackle by the truckload, you name it,
odds are i got it already.
lol
no rambo tho,
way too old.
i'll let my younger cousins handle that part.
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Posted 18 July 2004 - 08:30 AM
I have 10,000 acres of nature sanctuary right behind my property with one of the largest populations of wild turkeys in the south-east. I'll probably get sick of eating turkey Is anyone stocking up on canned cranberry sauce? Maybe we can work out a deal? LOL
Is anyone stocking up on canned cranberry sauce? Maybe we can work out a deal? LOL
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Posted 18 July 2004 - 08:32 AM
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Is anyone stocking up on canned cranberry sauce? <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
lol
i'll put up a few cases next trip to costco.
seriously,
if it goes REALLY BAD
some of us here ought to get together
somewhere safe.
Is anyone stocking up on canned cranberry sauce? <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
lol
i'll put up a few cases next trip to costco.
seriously,
if it goes REALLY BAD
some of us here ought to get together
somewhere safe.
