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#1 riseabovethought


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 02:48 PM

So, Ive been working on the palatable problem with cactus and Ive tried to make lemonade out of lemons, or better put -bloody marys and margaritas out of cacti. In my search for answers, Ive found it abundantly necessary to drink lots of REAL juice. Live enzymes are killed by processing involved with store- bought juices so a juicer is necessary, but only after 2 initial stages.

First, I soak the foot of bridgesii in real squeezed lemon and grapefruit juice overnight 12-24 hrs. The sliced cactus can be frozen beforehand and defrosted in the juice as well, which works great. Or it can be soaked fresh, which I always do when it first arrives. This pull is mixed with tomato juice from the can but freshly juiced tomato juice woulda been better. It really finishes cutting down that foul taste. A lot of salt and cayanne pepper are also added. Then I drink the first pull. Tastes kinda like a bloody mary. :thumbup:

Next I soak it in lime and orange juice over the next 12-24 hrs, then poured into a glass again adding generous helpings of sea salt and cayanne pepper. Drink the 2nd pull without the tomato juice if you can tolerate it. Tastes kinda like a margarita.
3rd, I use the juicer - Juice the remaining cactus material and add half (wheat grass or) green juice (romaine lettuce, swiss chard, any green leafy vegetable of your choice (discard the plant material which is now spent), & then sweeten it up with plenty more lime and orange juice, along with excessive sea salt and cayanne. Add tomato juice again, if needed.

All 3 stages will send you flying. Its far more efficient than the classic tea, reducing one foot cactus down to one cup for just one ride. Reduction and heating are not necessary with cactus and in fact degrade some of the things that work in synthesis with the goodies. I feel like this method far surpasses the tea, which requires cooking and smells and offers just one experience.

I can get a LOT out of just a foot of cactus with this method and I also get all my vitamins, minerals, and micronutrients simultaneously. You could technically live off this stuff!:cacti:

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 02:58 PM

Cool thread rise, I'm gonna have to give this a go. :)

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 03:23 PM

I really like that idea.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 03:43 PM

So got a question for ya, How is mescaline compared to Mushrooms, Is it more visual? less of a sudden onset? Can it be much more enjoyable and comfortable than mushrooms?

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 05:31 PM

Still sounds gross, rise. lol Maybe I'll give it a whirl sometime.

@ iatebadshrooms, I think mescaline is quite a bit different from psilocybin. Mesc is like launching in a rocket for four hours then psychedelic for the next ten.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 06:39 PM

Sounds delicious!
I like the bloody mary idea, I'm going to have to try that sometime.

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 12:20 AM

I have some questions Rise. Are you using the 12 inches of cactus to get three rides? My cat recently just straight up juiced 1790ish grams of cactus(bridgessi) and drank half after reducing. He had a great time but it was nowhere near what he felt the first time he had made tea and reduced.

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 10:10 AM

I have some questions Rise. Are you using the 12 inches of cactus to get three rides? My cat recently just straight up juiced 1790ish grams of cactus(bridgessi) and drank half after reducing. He had a great time but it was nowhere near what he felt the first time he had made tea and reduced.

Well, the sky's the limit. You can drink as much as you want, for as far down the rabitt hole as you want to go, but it doesnt take long to realize its power. It puts you in your place and demands respect quick.

If you juiced a foot I bet it was real slimey, eh? - thats prolly why you reduced it further... But if you hadnt reduced it and drank a FULL foot of juiced cactus, I bet you'da been swimming in outer space. But the problem is the taste, I tried but even my stomach cant take that much punishment. So I tried adding the juice and I think it may boost its effectiveness a little.

Anywho, it appears to me that its best to juice it after soaking it a while in citrus juices. If you drink the juice, after each pull, you get a coupla free rides. Then, soak it some more, keep it soaking in the fridge and put a shot or so in another fresh glass of juice whenever you're in the mood. After its been soaked thoroughly, is the best time to juice it, and it stretches out the usefulness of the cactus material from one cup reduced, to a week of space traveling, at your whim. The juice-soak appears to reduce that slime -effect, so by the time its been soaked so much, the juiced cactus isnt so slimey or so bad tasting at the end stage, but still packs a punch! Of course when its juiced its strong and foul tasting so its still necessary to add a generous glass of green juice mixed with citrus juices freshly squeezed this time, when the cactus is actually juiced through the juicer. The best trip is saved for last.

This is still in the research phase of course, and still not refined yet at all, but I believe the lime, orange, grapefruit, and lemon juices (and the green juice as well) add helpful catalyst phytonutrients and its pH devours the mescaline and dilutes it into the liquid, which is then assimilated in the body instantly upon ingestion. But if its cooked, reduced and ingested, it may be fun, but it also sets off an immune response in the body, proven by Dr. Kouchokoff, and who's research we could take a lesson from, IMHO. The fresh juices are the catalyst and the micronutrients act like rocket fuel for the buzz, in my humble opinion. Fresh is best.
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More and more I am coming to realize that the bulk of the food that we eat should not be cooked. That is one of the main reasons why drinking one quart of vegetable juice is so important to obtaining and maintaining your health.
I would encourage you to obtain at least 50% of your food as uncooked. The vegetable juicing and a salad at lunch will easily put you over that volume.
The raw egg yolks in the juice are an important part of the raw food approach. If you are healthy and have large amounts of vegetables, the salmonella is not going to be an issue for you, especially if the eggs are free range and organic.
In some cases daily juicing might cause some loose stools, which are easily resolved with some good bacteria.
I am still in the process of increasing my percentage of raw food eaten to over 90% of my total daily food intake. My nutritionist, Jim Marlow, recently encouraged me to start eating raw ostrich meat and I have found that to be quite enjoyable and not really much different than the way I would normally prepare my meat at medium rare. -Dr. Mercola


Kouchakoff, Paul, M.D.; "The Influence of Cooking Food on the Blood Formula of Man"; First International Congress of Microbiology; Paris, 1930.

Edited by riseabovethought, 22 June 2012 - 12:42 PM.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 10:26 AM

So got a question for ya, How is mescaline compared to Mushrooms, Is it more visual? less of a sudden onset? Can it be much more enjoyable and comfortable than mushrooms?

IMHO, there is no contest; Mushrooms win hands down for level of awesomeness yielded from a magical substance consumed. Cactus for me, is something I like to visit from time to time just like Ayahuasca. I like to dabble of course, in whatever appears to be helpful in my journey. And it is the journey, not the destination, right? So, I want to both enjoy its richness to the fullest while upholding my responsibilities in the present, so I dont feel behind, but rather right dead square on target - Its like when your aim is perfect, youre in the zone... thats the feeling I want! And then couple that confidence with exploring into a realm where limitations are few and imagination rules...:headbang:

Cactus feels like a tranquilizer while mushrooms feel like fun:space: Ahhhhhhh, but the mushroom is my favorite helper of all. With Cactus and DMT and Ayahuasca, you are taking more of a risk in it might lead you down a difficult path for awhile until you straighten it out, which is excellent experience (life's best teacher) but some lessons are hard to (L)earn so it might be a bit of rough waters... so you gotta just be prepared for that.

:dance:But mushrooms dont feel that way to me. wherever it leads, its always fun, always welcoming and comfortable. Its a gift from God, as they all are, but I guess I truly claim mushies as my fav of all. Maybe thats why this is Mycotopia instead of cactotopia or spice-atopia - because its the one that resonates best after all is said and done, our ace up the sleeve, at least for me. But my opinions change with the wind so dont hold me to that, now.:eusa_naug

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 09:35 PM

Thanks for the info Rise!

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 03:15 PM

I just juiced a thick foot plus of bridgesii that rocked my socks off all day yesterday. I kept thinking about how wonderful cactus is; a magical entheogen. God damn!! It was nothing short of just as awesome as any trip Id ever had, nothing but goodness all the way through. Who hoo!!!

After 2 stages of citrus juice soaks, which each were downed and delivered its own ride: TRIPple the pleasure; best trip for last.:headbang:

Edited by riseabovethought, 25 June 2012 - 03:35 PM.

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