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#1 night_ryder

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Posted 06 June 2006 - 07:45 PM

blending popcorn

would blending popcorn so its 1/4 of its size be ok, or will there be problems, the reason i ask is i think cracked corn is corn broken up, so i thought i could just blend some popcorn into smaller pieces so theres more innoc points when spawning

i wonder if you can make a flour out of popcorn, or blend it so small and mix it with some verm like you do with brf.

#2 Hippie3

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Posted 06 June 2006 - 07:55 PM

breaking the kernels releases large amounts of starch
which when mixed with water
turn to glue,
very bad.
better to leave it intact.
or buy cornmeal if you want it ground to powder.

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Posted 06 June 2006 - 08:50 PM

I've had good results using cracked corn per this comment to a cracked corn post at the other big shroom forum. The first boil and rinse takes care of the starch issue, and the second hot soak gets the moisture right. It is important to pressure cook as specified; I've gotten wetspot when I skimp on this. Also note that starting with the amount measured to get jars half full will result in full jars once the corn swells and you add a small percentage of vermiculite.

[I] measure (dry) the amount I need to fill the jars half full. Then bring a large pot of water to a rolling boil. Dump in all the cracked corn. Boil for 5 mins like this. You will notice the water has turned milk white, and the corn feels sticky to the touch. This is when you drain the corn. Rinse it well with cold water, getting as much of the starch off as you can. Then put it back in the pot, cover it with water, bring the water back up to boiling and turn the heat off. Let the corn sit in the hot water for 20 mins. Drain and rinse one more time (cold water). Let it drain 45 mins. I like to add dry verm to the corn and add more untill i can no longer feel any moisture. Then load the corn into jars and cook 15 psi 90 mins. I really like this stuff.



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Posted 06 June 2006 - 08:53 PM

Oh, yes. Also note that cracked corn, which starts with a cheaper grade of grain, can be gotten much more cheaply than popcorn. I've seen 25# sacks for $5 in the birdfeed section of big suburban hardware stores, but even the 5# for $2 I got beat Orville's prices all hollow.

#5 Hippie3

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Posted 06 June 2006 - 08:56 PM

the cheapest isn't often the best.
you're right, it can be done
but wet spot is very common with cracked/wet corn
as you know.
hardly worth saving a few cents a pound
to do all that extra rinsing, boiling and soaking, imo.

#6 Raul del Angelo

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Posted 06 June 2006 - 09:21 PM

Like I said the other day,

Jimmie crack corn

but I don't care

I just threw out a bunch
of cracked corn with wet spot

It is a waste of time money and
expectations

If some one had told me not
to do it I would be much happier
right now.

I think what is hard for beginners
to understand is that the shrooms
to not tolerate high levels of
nutrition. They like low levels and
thrive on things like small amounts
of brown rice flour and straw.
Cracked corn seems like it would
be better because its nutritional
component is more available but
infact it's more difficult to colonize
than the more stark popcorn.

The other problem with cracked
corn is that it is often infected
with wheat weevils. Now if your
feeding cracked corn to your chickens
the extra protein is great but if
those suckers get loose in your
house you will pay hell to get
rid of them.


Peace, Raul

#7 alpiner

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Posted 06 June 2006 - 11:36 PM

just get it, it's easier to cook correctly, fruits better and its easier to break up if you go to bulk

#8 night_ryder

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Posted 07 June 2006 - 04:00 AM

what is wetspot, i thought it was something to do with bateria or something

#9 night_ryder

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Posted 07 June 2006 - 04:01 AM

might try some cornmeal with verm see what happens lol

#10 Hippie3

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Posted 07 June 2006 - 07:32 AM

what is wetspot, i thought it was something to do with bateria or something


correct
wet spot bacteria
nasty stinky
grows when not enough air + too much water

#11 Hippie3

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Posted 07 June 2006 - 07:33 AM

alpiner-
your post was deleted
your advice was
off topic
this thread is about corn,
not WBS.

#12 OZ

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Posted 07 June 2006 - 07:38 AM

hip, how does wetspot originate?if all the endospores are killed while being sterilized? do they just come from nowhere? just something i never understood about wetspot

#13 Hippie3

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Posted 07 June 2006 - 07:54 AM

if all the endospores are killed while being sterilized?


IF, for just two letters, is a very big word in this case.
you never get every single one,
no matter how long you PC.
the few that survive will multiply if
given favorable conditions.
as i've said before elsewhere
colonization is always a race
between the good spores you inject
versus the bad ones already living there.

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Posted 12 June 2006 - 12:11 PM

i've found some cornmeal grits(im guessing by the look of it, finely blended/chopped popcorn, don't know if this can be used, maybe if i soak it and mix it with 1/3 verm?

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Posted 03 November 2006 - 10:59 AM

about a year ago mom was going to costco and she called me up to see if i needed anything i asked her to get me some popcorn so she shows up with this 90 lb bag lol and im still using it i dont know what it coasted she wouldn't let me pay her

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Posted 03 November 2006 - 11:19 AM

so she shows up with this 90 lb bag lol



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Posted 03 November 2006 - 12:42 PM

if you wanna add some more innoc points you might wanna consider mixing your popcorn with some WBS.. it mixes the faster colonization times of popcorn with the more innoc points of WBS. personaly i think popcorn makes good enough spawn as it is. just thought i'd suggest it.
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Posted 05 November 2006 - 11:33 AM

i have found when it comes to popcorn the mycelium loves aged sterilized corn...

Lately ive been Pressure cooking my jars and letting them sit for 5-7 days before innoculating....

I see even faster results when doing this in conparison to innoculating my jars within 8 hours or so after they come out of the cooker...

I also have never had much luck with cracked corn..

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Posted 05 November 2006 - 02:28 PM

Lost has got it!
I have been doing 50/50 popcorn/wild bird seed for a couple of years and it is great!
PC moisture problem disappears cause the WBS carries most of it until one pressure cooks. Lot's more innoculation points when it is ready and lot's of pockets for growth right after innoculation. Try it you'll like it!

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Posted 05 November 2006 - 07:57 PM

I am finding mixing dry Coir in small amountsI(1/4-1/3 cup dry per quart) prior to PC'ing.
Mixing the p corn with WBS works ok, but there is still the problem of finding the proper moisture content.
IMO Coir is way better than vermiculite or WBS for Keeping te moisture content in P-corn jars




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