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#3601 hyphaenation

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 09:52 PM

Yes Azures are a bit different in their habitat. You are definitely on to something with the sandy, grass-filled dunes. In whatever ways you can replicate those conditions ... They will eat whatever they can but prefer some things over others. I'm guessing based on what you are saying that it is true they survive on decaying grass mats and other similar debris. Obviously they can tolerate woodchips but it may not be ideal... That's why i always add shredded straw to my woodlover beds in all the layers...being a grass it kind of acts the same. You could go ahead and cultivate the actual dune grass species from the area and that will be the cat's pajamas. The soil should be sandier as you mentioned and replicating what you saw in situ.  


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Posted 21 March 2019 - 09:57 PM

It’s gotta be the grass. Paul Stamets says they love it in there. Must be a reason.

Yeah, what hyphae said ^^^^

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Posted 22 March 2019 - 11:50 AM

Thanks Hyph!!!   Well I am on it.  I have 10 grass bundles I dug up from Cape Disappointment and will plant them today.  I will save the grass I cut and introduce into totes with the azures just to see how they like that.

.  Cape Disappointment not but  a stone's throw away from Dismal Notch..... where Lewis and Clark spent 8 miserable days in the rain and wind hunkered down with no food or water....or mushrooms?.20190321_0957251.jpg

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Posted 22 March 2019 - 12:10 PM

Hello everyone
Haven't been on the wood lover forum for some time.
I was blessed with some cyanescen and ovoid prints
a few months ago. I nocc'd up a few jars of grain
Well the cyanescen did not do anything but the ovoids
will be ready in a few weeks.
Question: I have some cannabus stems/branches
and wanted to add them in with usual wood lover
substrate egg carton, old leaves, wood chips.
Does anyone think the cannabus stems
is a bad idea?
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Posted 22 March 2019 - 01:14 PM

Cannabis stalk is very good for woodlovers. Also the root ball of Cannabis works amazing as substrate. In my studies I found that P. cyans does not like or colonize deciduous leaves. I only use leaves for mulch on top. 


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Posted 26 March 2019 - 08:58 AM

 Glad I dropped in and caught the deciduous leaves thing. I know very little about the cyans but have a syringe and some ovoids that im getting going as well. Ive had some chips soaking for a real long while. I should still use them right? they are still solid in texture ect. not odd looking or feel soft.. They look nice actually. Ive got the birdseed ready to go.  



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Posted 26 March 2019 - 03:41 PM

You should drain the chips and lay them out on a tarp to dry a bit so they don't go funky...then soak them to field capacity (well drained) before using.

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Posted 28 March 2019 - 02:32 PM

Thanks. I'll give that a try. I thought I remembered something about fermenting like straw in cold water that you didn't want it soaked too long as anaerobic bacteria may get a hold?

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Posted 29 March 2019 - 11:33 AM

Definite funk will start. Slime molds etc...



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Posted 03 April 2019 - 01:28 PM

Ok so here is just under 24 hours, with visible progression from 18 hours. I will take further images every 1-2 days (sorry about the blue side images).
 
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Posted 04 April 2019 - 07:59 AM

Here is my Azures today, visibly growth looks similar to growth from grain, however the speed is slightly slower (cellulose = slow release).
The Azure mycelium is producing radials where possible. Weak areas and mycelial debris have fully recovered.
 
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Posted 04 April 2019 - 09:52 PM

Just a little update:IMG_20190403_194044.jpg
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Posted 07 April 2019 - 01:52 PM

Just a little update:attachicon.gifIMG_20190403_194044.jpg

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That is the most lovely picture
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Posted 13 April 2019 - 05:12 PM

I have high Hopes that I'll be getting some WLn on. I tried to start last fall but a few things happened so mushrooms didnt. Cubes or spawn for WL. Ovoid. The spores were from a print and hydrated since last fall but they are going gang busters in karo LC. The cubes have been much slower and I added an extra couple mls spore water to hopefully help them.

Everything is ready to expand any spawn for the Ovoids. There are several natural areas around that should do well for them. Water run off areas and branches and leaves ect. I also have some P. Cyancens (hope that's right) that I'll try on agar but also wbs and woodchips for a less sterile outdoors project as well. The spring fall combo would be nice

If I find any or can afford it , I think I'll try some morel slurry on woodchips around the yard. I've seen a couple cool vids on the Tube and I'm planning on getting tons, literally, of wood chips (and horse manure) spread on the lawn and garden areas this year. As a soil and garden builder but mushrooms would certainly benefit from that situation.

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Posted 17 April 2019 - 07:57 AM

On conjecturing regarding the relationship (facultative not obligatory) of  woodlovers to plants ( which may be incidentally ectophytic, endophytic , mycorryzal)  I asked the editor of Fungi magazine for his opinion.  This is what I received:in response: 

 

 

 

 

"You pose a very interesting question. Might these "well-known" saprobic fungi really be mycorrhizal? or partly mycorrhizal/saprobic? I expect 99% of mycologists asked this (if they dare to even talk about Psilocybes!) would reply with: "absolutely not!...they're either one way or the other!" and then storm off, harrumphing.
 
In actuality, they are only known, currently, to be saprobic. But you pose an interesting question. My answer is "we don't know" and "it would not surprise me at all if you are correct." Consider Hygrocybes (or at least the group of wax caps that we called collectively Hygrocybe until recently. What could be more common and more understood than those, right? They're very common and on lawns. And known for centuries to be saprobic with grasses. Turns out there is more to the story...some were recently shown to be endophytic with lawn plants! yep, they grow inside the plant, presumably as a symbiont. They come out of the plant to reproduce. And in other examples, more and more mycorrhizal spp (Amanita, Cortinarius, Laccaria, etc etc) are found to have some enzymes to do some saprobic function (that is, they have some cellulase enzymes and can then presumably do some breakdown of plant debris). Probably not enough to be free living, but no doubt this trait could be of benefit them and to their plant partners. We do know of a few free living Amanita species...they do exist entirely sapropically.
 
So, you have an intriguing question."

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Posted 19 April 2019 - 05:45 AM

I'm going to have to agree, although I don't think all lignicolous mycelium do it, many do, here is a succulent cacti being devoured alive.

The mycelium came from the compost, the cacti was likely re-potted (a gift), else the cacti would already be dead.

 

The pathogenic fungi is inside the cacti, which is obvious in image 4, it's decaying live tissue.

 

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The compost is dry, the cacti is full of water and nutrients.

 

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Here is Summer oyster benefiting from nitrogen fixating blue-green algae on low nitrogen cottonwood.

It's likely the oyster is devouring some weaker-dead algae cells, or stealing nutrients.

 

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When Mushrooms Attack < Kills tiny insects, protein source (nitrogen).


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Posted 24 May 2019 - 11:12 AM

First pic is grain spawn a few days ago. I got it mixed with the woodchips substrate only 2 days ago and found heavy growth already. I see more expansion coming soon and maybe all summer! Who couldn't use some woodchips around their favorite garden plants and trees?



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Posted 25 May 2019 - 06:51 AM

Informative exports, quotes. For educational purposes.

 

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AzzA said:

 

Image 1  Image 2  Image 3

 

That's actually very a clever test, notably the ice reduced the surface temperature significantly, later increasing, and then a fruit.
If you had done that to a fully colonized colony, you would undoubtedly see much more fruits than just one.
 
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Ferather said:

 

Here is some additional data:

 
King oyster, as mentioned in previous posts, fruits at the same general temperature Azures and Cyans do. The strain I used aborts above 18°C.
I assembled WL-Tek (plain, no wood) using 4% spawn (like the images in my recipe), once colonized it was placed at 16.8°C.
 
After some time the King oyster did not want to fruit, most likely due to the higher temperature, or hydration.
I poured cold tap water (about 7-8°C, pH 7.4 CaCO3) onto the surface, and left it for ~8 hours.
 
After 24 hours the colony produced pins and then some fruits, later aborting to 20°C.
 
 
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Some data here (wood, phenols, temperature): Psilocybe cyanescens
 
 

 

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MacMerdin said:

 

Here is a small bed that I buried ovoid pf style cakes.  You can see where the cakes were buried.

 
 

Ferather said:

 

I like the style you chose, pretty much what I am doing, I have a few questions about the recipe and setup if you don't mind.

 
1. When you say 'pf style' do you mean, wood + flour, or vermiculite + flour, or similar?
2. Was it already suitable fruiting conditions when the cakes where potted?
3. How long after the cakes where potted did it take to fruit?
4. Would you say you got a good total yield?
 

MacMerdin said:

 

1. I use a 1:1:1:1 ratio of vermiculite: aspen pet bedding: brown rice flour: water.

2. It was my sister's back yard in Pennsylvania. No ovoids were ever found or observed there prior to me.
3. I buried them in late August. Fruited the following spring.
4. For just an experiment it was great. I didn't get a final weight.
 
I'm going to make a grow log this year to Chronicle everything.

 

Ferather said:

 

So something like: 50g verm, 50g bedding, 50g BRF, 50g water. And ~6 months until fruiting after potting.

 

I have a few pointers if it helps your log and project.

 
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Ignoring the verm, the dry weight is: wood + flour (example: 50g + 50g, 100g), 100g dry + 100g water = 200g, 50% water.
50-50 wood + brown rice flour, is roughly a 60:1 carbon-to-nitrogen ratio, up from 500:1 (the aspen wood).
You should be able to pot the cake closer to, or in winter, shaving a few months off the total time.
Adding some CaCO3 to the mix can also help, around 4-8g per 100g of dry media.
 
The colony should go from room temp, to below 8°C, then up to 14-16°C.
 
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You might also find 25kg of wheat bran cheaper.
 
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l0wbob said:

 

So read about feather's WL-Tek with paper-pallets, CaCO3 and some extra nutrition.

 
I decided to give it a try and came on my first problem of finding the right water-pallets ratio.
 
After several tests,  i got a maximum water content of 32g water on 20g paper-pallets.
 
So i had some spawn rdy and wanted to do some experiments. I also had some woodchips < 5mm alrdy soaking in water for 4 days.
 
I took 150g paper-pallets and 50g woodchips, 200ml , added CaCO3 and some nutrition ( it is pretty light, and liquid alrdy, so slightly different than the tek ) and microwaved it 4 minutes.
After adding the spawn, i had some mixed pallets over so i decided to do 2 small containers and add a small layer of coir on the other one to fill it up.
 
So now it is more than 2 weeks later and maybe it is just the fact that i didnt saw much till yet, but that works best for me at the moment.
It grows very fast, wasn't sterilized, did not contam at all, i can not even see the famous "metabolites" i am reading a lot of.
 

 

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Mycelium is looking vibrant and healthy l0wbob. 

Hope your projects reward you with a lot of fruits.
 
I also like the 50/50 paper pellets and pine mix. These active gyms are fruiting from this mixture enriched with powdered dog food. 

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 08:14 PM

A tip for keeping your woodlover beds from drying out in the summer: Cover partially with cardboard that keeps the moisture in and take a gallon plastic jug and put a pin hole or two  in the bottom and it will be watered gradually.

Pictured is a flourishing Azzie mycelium beneath the cardboard.  You may want to put more than one gallon on top if the Summer is really dry. .  All this saves babysitting time with those patches.

 

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 08:53 PM

]A tip for keeping your woodlover beds from drying out in the summer: Cover partially with cardboard that keeps the moisture in and take a gallon plastic jug and put a pin hole or two  in the bottom and it will be watered gradually.

Pictured is aflourishing Azzie mycelium beneath the cardboard.  You may want to put more than one gallon on top if the Summer is really dry. .  All this saves babysitting time with those patches.

 

Looking Good! I can't wait to see the pics after summer!






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