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#4161 ElPirana

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Posted 22 April 2021 - 09:44 AM

I love seeing the progress on this jar Arathu!
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Posted 22 April 2021 - 11:16 AM

Debated where to post this, but I'm treating it like a woodlover for now. For awhile I've known I need to set up a better labeling system and today it bit me in the ass...

I've been labeling Panaelous Cyan variation wild coast (PC WC) and Psilocybe Cyan (PC)...So I treated my dungloving PC WC to some wood instead of supplemented substrate...Well can't tell if it's overlaying or actually consuming the wood...It's a fine grit wood but none the less didn't expect it to overtake the wood at such a fast rate. Has the classic tomentose/marshmallow growth I associate with panaelolus. Psilocybe seems to be way more rhizo/ropey. 

Anyway's here the photos sorry about the dyed lids. PC (psilocybe) on left and PC WC (Panaelous) on right

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#4163 Arathu

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Posted 25 April 2021 - 10:33 AM

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I have  a good amount of Ps. Cyanescens mycelium on rye grain. I was hoping to get a bed started this spring, but I think it's getting rather late. Should I sterilize, or pasteurize some hardwood to get it to grow onto wood? If all goes well, I'll probably just continue expansion on wood until next spring, when I put a bed outside. Does this sound like a good plan? All suggestions greatly appreciated.

 

IMHO it's never too late to create a bed outdoors somewhere as long as ones expectations are tempered. A carefully chosen spot, sheltered from both sunshine and wind that remains damp works like a charm..... Pasteurized wood chips and woody debris work well and your paths forward with a "good" amount of spawn are possibly multiple. Cyan is aggressive with a wide palate for foods, and also quite forgiving. Getting chip spawn going before making beds definitely helps reduce digging and disturbance of beds by the grain eating rodents and other critters. The less grain in a bed the better IME.... Birds will also tear up a bed digging after insects.....some things to keep in mind.....

 

They will overwinter just fine with proper care too.....mulching is your friend in this endeavor.......

 


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#4164 Arathu

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Posted 27 April 2021 - 07:53 AM

I think it's just going to eat the jar and all....... :biggrin:

 

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Fungus amongus....

 

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Posted 02 May 2021 - 07:38 AM

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If it were able to eat the glass and plastic......I bet it would......

 

Knots would be cool to see on the rhizomes.........

 

Ant farms.....meh......grow fungus....

 

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Posted 03 May 2021 - 05:10 AM

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Rhizomes........

 

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Posted 06 May 2021 - 04:53 PM

So, moving forward with these tubs, Allenii, Ovoideocystidiata and Serbica, should I use a serrated bread knife to cut off the section that has grain from spawn in it? Maybe just put it as is in its new home and start slowly covering it with compost, straw and bark? Maybe lay some larger pieces of wood on top to jump to? Patches in the ground would be tough for me so eventually, I think I'd like 15gallon pots of mushy goodness. If they'd cohabitate with my large potted plants, then even better!

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#4168 Arathu

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Posted 06 May 2021 - 09:10 PM

If you're going to large pots anyway, transfer the entire thing and expand some. You could easily build a well draining bed from soil and add new foods, put the fungus right on the dirt and bury with more, case with Naturescapes and keep damp...

 

That ovoid I would make sure got hardwood chips and windfall branches broken up, new wood soaked for a day and well drained, mixed with soil and made the same as above but a casing of cut grass with shredded hardwood mulch mixed in .....also kept damp....

 

Not sure of the particulars but the serbica looks to grow from fallen timber/branches and etc.....same thing, bed built of soils with some food materials mixed in kept damp....

 

They look mature Yoshi.....

 

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#4169 YoshiTrainer

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Posted 06 May 2021 - 09:53 PM

Thank you for the great advice Arathu!
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#4170 smellitstinknot

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Posted 07 May 2021 - 04:32 AM

Love the moss covered jars Arathu! I did this a couple years ago with P.subaeruginosa. Ate through the soil and moss in a hurry but never fruited and after sitting for months it eventually succumbed to trichoderma.

 

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I did have more success with Psilocybe alutacea cased with moss. Not a woodlover but perhaps a good example of what can be expected from a moss cased substrate

 

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#4171 Arathu

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Posted 07 May 2021 - 05:16 AM

There you go man! Those are beautiful......It truly is a path of learning to understand, communicate if we dare, with these organisms......

 

Figuring out what they want/need to fruit can be challenging indeed.....very nice work!

 

Something makes them decide to fruit, but they, the fungi, do have multiple strategies for reproduction and survival.....

 

Keepers of the sacred medicines......indeed!

 

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#4172 rockyfungus

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Posted 07 May 2021 - 12:08 PM

P. cyan beds were a little more work then I expected. Got into the 70's by 9am and we're expecting rain and snow in a day! I think they can take it.
My soil is very compact, clay heavy and crappy overall. Decided to dig near a lilac. Shade heavy and has a fair amount of fallen leaves and twigs. The soil was really nice comparatively for my lot, but I added some hay and vermiculite just to be safe.

 

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on the left side is my wood box that was labeled PC WC (used for my pan cyan dung lovers...), it took so well to wood and quickly, but it has the classic copelandia/pan cyan look....decided to chuck it in to see if I mislabeled stoned.

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Here's my various projects. Agar with naturscapes added directly, agar with grain/wood mix, grain with dirt/wood, and my weird marshmellow wrong pan cyan (?)

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Bed is:
Naturscapes random snapable twigs

dirt/hay/vermiculite

spawn

dirt/hay/vermiculite

brick with drain holes and passages so myc can explore outside the box, top of a mound


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#4173 YoshiTrainer

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Posted 07 May 2021 - 12:18 PM

As always Stinknot, bee-a-yoo-T-full!!!

Looking good Rocky!

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Posted 08 May 2021 - 06:46 AM

 

brick with drain holes and passages so myc can explore outside the box, top of a mound

I can assure you the mycelium will penetrate completely through the bricks, over them, around them, and in between them..... and run out into the world as it chooses.....

 

Slow drip irrigation tubes or even old towels wicking water from a reservoir can help to keep the bed damp/moist........CONSISTENT watering is a must...do not let the bed(s) dry out...

 

Many of these wood-loving fungi absolutely LOVE terracotta pots, with mixes just like you describe, too.....very versatile organisms and yet they can be quite picky when it comes to fruiting......

 

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Posted 08 May 2021 - 11:35 AM

1/4 inch hardware cloth painted black and placed on top of that bed will go a long way in keeping critters from digging.....

 

A gap of several inches between the barrier and the top of the mulching will stop almost all insect eating birds as well.......

 

Fermenting grain in the ground IS another rodent's seed stash....mouse and rat traps make quick work of it (make sure you wire them to something solid and DON'T forget they are there)

 

Insects WILL move into the beds and share in the bounty for certain......

 

Salt and sand are the slugs and snails bane......trick is to keep the salt OFF the fungus, water rolls downhill with the g vector.....

 

So said a FOAF......... hahaha Woodlovers RULE..........

 

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Posted 08 May 2021 - 06:19 PM

Will it knot.......

 

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Will it may......

 

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#4177 rockyfungus

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Posted 09 May 2021 - 06:25 AM

A, are those jars kept outside and set up to try and induce fruiting in a jar?


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#4178 Arathu

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Posted 09 May 2021 - 07:14 AM

Indeed that is the thought rocky.......since mid February in fact.......

 

The fungus does not seem to care about being "frozen" or winter (it is native here)..... Seems quite happy actually...

 

The lid is on the jar just loosely, sitting on top to keep the rain out......

 

I'm thinking there should be high C02 in the bottom and a lovely O2 up top....almost like Mother makes.....

 

If this works I'll publish the woodie in a jar TEK......I'd like to see our "tropical" brothers and sisters with some woodie jars......

 

I'm thinking that a filter patch bag could function in a similar manner and might even be easier to give "winter" conditions to......

 

Ovoids seem to fruit on the cold -> warm transition of the soil itself.... cyans the opposite warm -> colder (freezing seems to shut the wavy fruiting down)........

 

Unknown if the photo period affects it, I'm thinking bacteria in the soils probably play a role as well.....(speculations of course)

 

Freezing is bad news for either of their fruits, ovoid or cyan......needs far more study to be definitive....any grad students out there???

 

Both fruit on the respective seasonal transitions for sure..........

 

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Posted 09 May 2021 - 09:06 AM

These jars are so interesting, and awesomely beautiful Arathu.

I am expecting to see a ladder shaped rhizome chain going over the edge to the ground any day now.....

Those little alien faces looking for an escape route.

 

Jokes aside, this has to be the coolest experimental environment set up, showing a micro slice of mothers living kitchen....

Observation seems to have taught the "dirtmaker" quite well....................

 

I am really hoping you get at least one jar to fruit !


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Posted 15 May 2021 - 11:08 AM

Here's some PC on master's mix. Really slow growth but it'll get there.

 

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