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#4241 Arathu

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Posted 13 November 2021 - 10:58 AM

A "bed" can sometimes be dug up and put in a tub if one is careful not to crumble it.......

 

A tub can just be made and left out until fruiting is induced then taken inside too.....

 

Many ways to slip around the winter death and sleep......but frost and freeze will effectively end the fruiting....

 

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Posted 13 November 2021 - 05:00 PM

Lazy. I'll be expanding chips out and just revise the beds. Going to play with hugelkultur. Maybe compare lions mane, oyster, and cyan or ovoid in the hugelkultur beds.
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This guy is so fat. Hopefully more frequent watering and cover helps. Nice cluster!


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Posted 13 November 2021 - 05:52 PM

Today is the day! Lil 8 cup containers are all colonized and solid
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Picked all the chips out.. kind of tedious but just kept telling myself I had to do it once lol
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Boiled some new chips and made one layered and the other mixed to see which does better
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Gonna see how the spawn recovers and maybe I’ll just throw some chips on top and roll like that until it stops colonizing them
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I think it’s gonna expand exponentially from here out.. gonna have a shit load before I know it. These are stupid easy.. if/when I do it again from grain spawn, I think I’ll use much less spawn and thicker layers of chips.. I didn’t know they would colonize so well/fast

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Posted 13 November 2021 - 06:50 PM

If I can do it…I wonder how a clean syringe would work directly to hydrated wood. 


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Posted 13 November 2021 - 07:39 PM

That’s how it happens in the wild heh.. I have almost a full SW syringe.. I’ll give it a shot next time I grab some chips

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Posted 13 November 2021 - 08:25 PM

Thanks I’d try it but dunno if I’ll get prints this season.

Maybe use more of the finer wood particles and stringy bits. You probably noticed how diff sizes colonized quicker.
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Posted 13 November 2021 - 08:40 PM

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Posted 13 November 2021 - 08:59 PM

When can we get you pan cyans (yeah wrong place), but I want to see your magic on something different and quicker to satisfy our vicarious needs. 


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Posted 13 November 2021 - 09:52 PM

Lol.. I really need to set up the proper chamber.. I’ve got too much on my plate atm but maybe right before summer when it’s warmer and then I can grow em through the summer
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Posted 13 November 2021 - 10:07 PM

Over you know where, baba is working on coir and unmodded tubs I believe.
Yeah with all you're projects, woodies make the most sense for hands off. 

With how many tubs you run I wonder how a martha or tent would treat you with the same real estate. 


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Posted 14 November 2021 - 08:24 AM

Just keep doing what you're doing.....straight to wood even from a hearty LC produces single and sometimes a couple of clusters.....you want/need the nitrogen source(s) in there too.....

 

It is very slooow that way but will work if you're knocking up landscaping beds and such......making good consolidated chip spawn and then a bed or possibly better a mobile tub is the way to go IMHO

 

They love the "weather" that used to be classic of the US PNW states....FREEZING is bad news...

 

Take your time and let the woodies sink deep into the chips, stems, and branches.......grasses and roots, straw of various types too with soil(s) mixed in.......

 

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A tub/tray/bag outside is a surrogate membrane...... it must breathe well and it must also drain well.....

 

 

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Let MOM induce the pinning for you at the major seasonal changes ......then provide the TLC after she helps.....again freezing is BAD for fruits...

 

 

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50F/10C to 60F/15.5C seems to be the sweet range for nice meaty growth.....

 

Waylit showed a sweet cooler/tub in his threads that is absolutely perfect for doing this....

 

Woodies can be watered directly via misting from spray bottle (i.e. you be the GENTLE rain maker and NOT the climate change kind of rain)

 

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Posted 14 November 2021 - 09:57 AM

Nitrogen sources... I make compost so I need to figure a good green source. I haven't really messed with soil either. Next beds will be slightly hugelkultured.

I have hay but that's slow release nitrogen. Been mixing random stems, hay, dried grasses, twigs, etc. Tons of green leaves on top of the brown leaves now. 

Heard some people have used manure I'd be quicker to use my compost. I'll let these beds ride and learn from my mistakes. 

Thanks for all the wisdom A. I always try and take the easiest path. 

 

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Stupid age restriction for this video.I went based off just simple landscaping beds that seem to work in the PNW. Fun botanist that has now made a video with Alan. 


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Posted 14 November 2021 - 11:44 AM

A friend gave me some of these with the mycelium and wood chips still attached.. and also a few handfulls of woodchips with mycelium.  What should I do if I want to start my own patch?  Should backtrack and try to isolate some clean mycelium on agar and build up spawn on grain, and the mix with woodchips?  Or can I just mix these woodchips with more woodchips and begin like that?

 

I feel better about starting with the woodchip that is obviously attached to the stipe of the mushroom because there is always the chance that the unattached woodchips might be harboring mycelium from some other species??  

 

Where should I start?

 

Thanks everyone and happy fall, yall!

 

 

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Posted 14 November 2021 - 12:50 PM

I’d save a small colonized piece of wood to go on agar.

Throw the rest and the fruit to more wood chips. If cap is printing remove that and print it. If not printing I’d wait to see if it can keep going on the wood you got.

Wait for A he has more experience.
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Posted 14 November 2021 - 01:42 PM

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A great way to capture/expand from stem butts and chips is as shown......

 

You can definitely segregate and expand each stem butt and chip cluster plus another with the donor chip pile if you're unsure of what they are....

 

What species are these? Get a spore print and put them under a good microscope......

 

The idea above is to give the chip spawn a nice environment to expand from...start with the cardboard in the bottom of the container dry....PLENTY of FAE so loose goose on the poly...

 

Add pasteurized field capacity woody materials to the cardboard around the donor spawn and incubate....keep adding materials and expanding as it grows and consolidates...

 

Each can then be used as "puck spawn" in larger expansions of chips to whatever size you desire..... NOTE: let them consolidate the wood chips well between each expansion....

 

Adding moderate amounts of fertilized potting soil once deeply into the wood is quite useful...feed them a mix of wood types (except ones they obviously avoid)..

 

If you're going to try and go back to agar I suggest taking a clone from nice material INSIDE the top of one of those stems.....

 

In the stream or SAB, with gloved hands tear a stipe open and using a sterile scalpel transfer material to agar of choice.....chips from a bed will be loaded with bacteria and other flora and fauna...

 

If the cardboard and chips start drying out use syringe and sterile water drops on the bottom liner....normally the new chips at field capacity take care of hydration... . 

 

Good woody vibes...... :meditate:

 

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Posted 14 November 2021 - 02:25 PM

I feel daft. Didn't see how many fruits you have. Yeah def. grab from those stems. Appears to be bluing. Are those Allenii?

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Woodchips will def. be very bacterial. They are so aggressive that within 1 transfer they are reasonably clean IME.


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Posted 14 November 2021 - 02:38 PM

Corrugated boxes and packing materials from China work like a freaking charm for making bottom liners......

 

Trace the bottom of whatever you're using....cut it small enough to fit in....build the culture on top.....

 

Dumpsters behind the dollar stores and wally world should be pretty unlimited I would imagine.....

 

I started putting them in dry to allow for the condensation that rolls down the sides of any container with wet substrate in it to be absorbed and hopefully not pool.....

 

Never hesitate to dump out any water that pools in the bottom of a tub/tray/jar and even bags in some cases.....hold the colony in place and tip....coolers with drains are ideal....

 

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Posted 14 November 2021 - 05:10 PM

A WEALTH of information in this thread guys... I need to get in gear on some Woodies.  Ps Cyan's been calling me Almost as long as the Pans.  Bad ASS guys.   :thumbs_up:


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Posted 15 November 2021 - 10:13 AM

I knew I would find some great answers here!  Thanks @Arathu!  

 

I think I will try to expand on wood chips in a food storage container like Arathu explained... for a guaranteed outcome.  And as a side experiment I will try to clone a piece of stem on agar.  It's probably crawling with all kinds of bacteria and fungi so hopefully I can get a clean isolation.

 

What species?  It was given to me as P. allenii.  and it looks very much like it... but I'm no expert.  Can someone help me confirm if they are allenii?  Before I eat one?  or invest months of my life growing it on wood chips?

 

Here is a spore print.  I will also have access to a good microscope tomorrow or the next day.

 

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Posted 15 November 2021 - 12:56 PM

I can't ID worth crap. Allenni stuck out. Bluing, the caps look right, print should be more purplish I'd imagine though. Wait for better ID...


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