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[ConsciousFeeder]

How many spore syringes do you think it would take to start a good sized cyanofriscosa cooler or garden, I'd say about 3'x4'? Was gonna just buy a single syringe but the only reason I ask because ralph is currently doing 4 friscosa syringes for $75 in one of their specials versus one for $25.

[Arathu]

Assuredly one could generate significant amounts of spawn that would easily create a 3X4 bed with that number of syringes. Following WLJ's woodlover TEK's, in one case, grain spawn is used to expand/produce hardwood chip spawn which is then again expanded to produce a layered outdoor bed. But again, one spore print alone and working with agar plates could theoretically produce truckloads of spawn, as could expansion from spore solutions and so forth. It depends on ones skills I suppose. If LC is generated and used to inoculate pure wood spawn the risk of contamination and spoiling of the projects is likely an absolute minimum. So for example, it seems pretty apparent to me that this Naturescapes mulch could be used to do exactly as you have asked. Once the creation of spawn is understood, and the expansion of spawn is also understood the limits are beyond most home growers capabilities.

Stamets stated that one colonized petri dish of agar made into a slurry can effectively inoculate 40 to 100 quarts of grain spawn........that's a ton of spawn man.

[ConsciousFeeder]

That is indeed a ton of spawn. Thanks Arathu. Most of the spawn expansion techniques I understand and get the concept of just don't have any experience with, like LC, cloning, and agar. Took some spore prints this last grow and want to try and work some stuff with them in the future, one idea being a super soaker and my local neighborhood. Having a syringe that I can bank on if all else contaminates is a good life line for me but four is kinda overkill.

I have a connection at a lumber company I'd like to acquire my own chips if possible. Naturescapes is a good sound alternative. WLJ just posted back in his woodlover substrate thread about information he acquired about that product too.

[hyphaenation]

Waylitjim has an auction for Friscosa prints going right now...

https://mycotopia.ne...hlight=Friscosa

[Uncle G]

Made feel like total newbie. Really I still cant wrap my mind around the time table. Its almost full blown winter here. Got the print coming from mah of Ps. Cyan. Assuming wbs can be used to start with. Here is a question cant I just expand the wbs doing g2g to wbs get a good amount up then do the tub with woodchips? While this is going get the outside bed dug and supplies up. Might be the coldest months when it is time to add to the bed. Maybe I am confussed.

[waylitjim]

Made feel like total newbie. Really I still cant wrap my mind around the time table. Its almost full blown winter here. Got the print coming from mah of Ps. Cyan. Assuming wbs can be used to start with. Here is a question cant I just expand the wbs doing g2g to wbs get a good amount up then do the tub with woodchips? While this is going get the outside bed dug and supplies up. Might be the coldest months when it is time to add to the bed. Maybe I am confussed.

You don't want to have much grain spawn in your outdoor bed. Animals will dig it up looking for food. I like to start with a small amount of popcorn. Once it's colonized start introducing small woodchips. Once you're on wood, just keep adding more until you have a good amount colonized. Use this to create your outdoor bed in the Spring.

[mithrandiir42]

I'm excited to say, I'm going to join in the fun with the woodlovers:) I've got some Ps. Friscosa started on popcorn. It's going really slow but steadily growing and no sign of contam after about 3 weeks.. I wish I had used a smaller jar though. It's a whole quart and at the rate it's going right now it seems like it'll be at least another month before it fully colonizes.

[waylitjim]

I'm excited to say, I'm going to join in the fun with the woodlovers:) I've got some Ps. Friscosa started on popcorn. It's going really slow but steadily growing and no sign of contam after about 3 weeks.. I wish I had used a smaller jar though. It's a whole quart and at the rate it's going right now it seems like it'll be at least another month before it fully colonizes.

You don't need to wait. If you have some healthy white colonized kernels, dump the jar out. Carefully seperate the kernels. Place the colonized pieces in a small container and cover with woodchips and go from there.

[Uncle G]

Then start pasturizing wood chips then add to the grain. Do this in a inside tub? Wait till spring to start ouside bed. Follow a tek for the outside bed. If so I got my mind around it and could be a very dangerous outside woodlover unc.

[hyphaenation]

Yah inside tubs is good for colonizing the woodlover mix.

The tubs have small holes to allow a bit of FAE but keep flies out.

The colonizing tubs are good at room temps or slightly lower , no need to baby them with 80F like cubes. Set and forget for awhile and let them do their thing until the snow melts.

Then you can fruit the tub outside for the next fall , like Waylitjim often does , removing the lid and letting it pin/fruit as summer wanes.

Or you can make a layered bed of woodchips/straw/sawdust/soil ect and mix your cololozized spawn in there.

[Arathu]

Here we go, before the snow, a peek at the fungus eating everything it can find.




This is a nice chunk of sloppy wet maple log sticking down into the surface of the bed and you can see a piece of knot weed in the lower left too, ovoids don't care what they eat apparently.......yum yum yum


Here the mycelium is tearing up woody materials mixed with the soil


This is another chunk of wet rotted maple that ovoid seems to really love.....look at that rhizome! :teeth:


And finally we can clearly see that the ovoid mycelium is tearing into the Naturescapes casing layer too.
I figure by spring it will be breaking out of the bed and eating all of the woody materials around it. I think I'll make a counterpart project to Hyphae's massive woodlover spread.

HELLS YEAH! :headbang:

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[Uncle G]

Pretty cool reading here. I miss growing but at the moment it is what best for me. This sounds like a plan. Get outside bed going. Thx and keep up the good work

[psycheholic]

:kewl:Arathu!

[iatebadshrooms]

BUMP...

[Arathu]

I'll be harvesting a little bit of mycelium for starting some new spawn tomorrow........I'll take pictures............. :teeth:

[Arathu]

Ovoid mycelium has escaped and is now growing around the outside of the bed...I have a funny feeling I'll be finding ovoids everywhere from now on.



No need to dig now...it's everywhere.



The mycelium running through the Naturescapes right under the leaves. This is some ropy stuff right here. I now have two more trays of Naturescapes colonizing thanks to a donation from this bed. I'll wait about a month before I peek at those so just about Yule I'm hoping to spawn a large tub and additional Naturescapes spawn trays. In this manner it appears that building many beds will be quite possible. Once you have mycelium on wood contamination is almost not an issue. This is mushroom growing for those that are not into sterilization. You just have to get your mycelium onto/into wood and run it from there.

:headbang:

[Arathu]

Ovoid spawn, colonized wood chips taken from the outdoor bed added to field capacity Naturescapes sitting on top of soaked cardboard.


Here is an example of some really aggressive mycelium that has begun running the mulch. Blessed are the rhizomes!


You can see other patches breaking through as well.
NOTE: There are actually 12 pinholes in that Press-N-Seal for gas exchange even though they are hard to see. The top is not completely air tight (IME cob-web will set set in if you seal these trays up airtight) I also pay attention to the moisture level and add water as necessary to keep the cardboard nice and wet but not create puddling.


These are my woodlover spawning trays (PP5 shoe-boxes) And I just follow the TEK's and general advice posted by the other woodlover enthusiasts here at Topia that have lead the way. So for sure the advice is sound and I highly recommend studying the archives of this great Library at Alexandria to apply.

Another really cool thing is that these spawn trays are made of absolutely nothing but wood products and wood-loving mycelium. NO sterilization, no pasteurization, open air transfers with a pair of tweezers actually. Contamination is not likely an issue. I've decided to warm these up a bit, into the (upper 60's/lower 70's F) as well.

These are made with a layer of soaked and peeled corrugated cardboard on the bottom, then a thin layer of field capacity Naturescapes mulch, about 10 donor chunks of colonized wood chunks from the outdoor bed, another thin layer of the same Naturescapes, another 10 colonized chunks, and a top layer of Naturescapes. As you can see the mycelium is starting to run it. When these are fully colonized a large mono-tub of fruiting substrate will be created that includes mostly the Naturescapes but also additional hardwoods and organic soils. I also intend to build the mono tub with a lining of stones in the bottom and drainage so that I can make it "rain" on them.

So the woodies are calling me and I am answering them...................:hugs:

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Edited by Arathu, 23 November 2012 - 11:40 AM.

[Arathu]

This is an update photo of the wood to wood transfer, ovoid colonized wood chips from the outdoor bed to pure Naturescapes brown mulch on wet cardboard in shoe-boxes (two boxes are running now and this one is the more aggressive of the two but the other is also colonizing nicely). This isolate of the Ovoid mycelium has wild hairlike rhizomes that come poking up and out of the mulch into the air. It's definitely not a cubensis. The temperature is running steady middle to upper sixties for this spawn run and I'm predicting really nice colonization by the Yuletide. By the first of the year I'm hoping to have it mixed into a nice sized mono-tub of the final fruiting substrate and once that has colonized I will give it to some winter exposure and then move it back into the steady middle fifty degree temperatures and starting adding some artificial Yankee spring rains............. :headbang:

Here come the woodies, in more ways than one!

:teeth:

[iatebadshrooms]

hey arathu, NICE!
I went to Hore depot and all they have is NAture Scapes with WATERADVANCED SHIT IN IT, and its sierra red.......OR Black........and they are both died......Is that the same stuff your using, if you could post a pic of the bag of nature scapes u used that would be helpfull,
I have seen the older nature scapes used by waylit for cyan , fricosa, but IDK if this new stuff is the same,
I would hate to waste a bunch of azure and cyan and weillii spawn on seirra red nature scapes if it wont take to it.....let me know.
Great work

[Arathu]

Right on man thanks.....it's Scotts Naturescapes Advanced Color Enhanced Mulch, the 2 cu-ft bag from LOwez for $4.59....it says it's made from 100% forest products, with no recycled wood and no DANGEROUS chemicals (I don't know what that means) but it does have the Wateradvanced in it. Every place the ovoid mycelium is coming into contact with it there is evidence of serious colonization. The outdoor bed is showing very nice patches of mycelium making it to the surface now, growing in the freezing Yankee fall weather. I have no doubts at this time that this will become a block of mycelium and I intend on expanding it at least 3X wood plus organic soil. The mycelium seems to love it. Thanks again WayLit....... :hugs:Five bucks.......hell Imma wind up buying about $100.00 worth and making beautiful "landscaping" projects all over the place. So now I'm wondering what happens if I milch the Bundleflower garden...............