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Posted 12 June 2006 - 08:54 PM

I think Hippie should start a religion!! :hippie:

#42 Hippie3

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Posted 12 June 2006 - 09:07 PM

ever read the book 'Dune' ?
in it they mention in their 'future history'
that mankind eventually merged and distilled all the old holy writings
into one universal 'bible' which was the basis for all human faith.
i hope that prophecy might some day actually be fulfilled,
i think mankind is literally killing itself over religion,
but a good religion could be so positive for mankind
if only we could free it from our
superstitious past
and bring it into the modern world.
a 'bible' that was based on truth, provable facts
not ancient misunderstandings of the universe.
a religion with 'sacraments' that actually worked
to inspire the divine nature within us.
it'll come,
just got to keep the faith.

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Posted 12 June 2006 - 09:17 PM

AMEN!!:eusa_pray

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Posted 12 June 2006 - 09:21 PM

Every Catholic church I went to everyone drank communion wine, often from the same cup, and every service. The catholic churchs here do communion with wine and wafers every week. In fact there is a hand motion where you place your right hand across your chest if you would like to skip the wine/blood after the wafer/body. When traveling across the country my experience has been similar elsewhere.

The Protestant chuch I went to once actually had grape juice and used individual shot glass looking thngs for each person. They did communion once a month.

you were obviously raised by a protestant
not a catholic.
how do i know ?
because the protestants drink the wine,
in catholic churches
only the priest drinks the wine,
not the parishioners/congregation.



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Posted 12 June 2006 - 09:23 PM

ever read the book 'Dune' ?
in it they mention in their 'future history'
that mankind eventually merged and distilled all the old holy writings
into one universal 'bible' which was the basis for all human faith.
i hope that prophecy might some day actually be fulfilled,
i think mankind is literally killing itself over religion,
but a good religion could be so positive for mankind
if only we could free it from our
superstitious past
and bring it into the modern world.
a 'bible' that was based on truth, provable facts
not ancient misunderstandings of the universe.
a religion with 'sacraments' that actually worked
to inspire the divine nature within us.
it'll come,
just got to keep the faith.

better still, collection plates need not apply!

Every Catholic church I went to everyone drank communion wine, often from the same cup, and every service. The catholic churchs here do communion with wine and wafers every week. In fact there is a hand motion where you place your right hand across your chest if you would like to skip the wine/blood after the wafer/body. When traveling across the country my experience has been similar elsewhere.

i took communion (out of respect.)
at my grandfather's funeral a few weeks ago. just the host.
there's never been wine involved save for at the alter,
where the priest drinks from the cup. as far as i can remember, we never drank.
maybe theres a difference between Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, etc..dunno

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Posted 12 June 2006 - 09:24 PM

i went to mass every day but saturday for several years
[ was even an alter boy :lol: ]
and the only time we ever got a sip of wine was on special holy days,
the rest of time just got communion wafer.
but i haven't been in like 30 years
they were still speaking mass in latin
and i certainly haven't been to every catholic church
so i can't contest your experience,
just know my own.

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Posted 13 June 2006 - 04:36 AM

boink :D


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* Don't let worry kill you. Let the Church help.

* Thursday night-Potluck Supper. Prayer and medication to follow.

* Remember in prayer the many who are sick of our church and community.

* For those of you who have children and don't know it, we have a nursery downstairs.

* The rosebud on the altar this morning is to announce the birth of David Alan Belzer, the sin of Reverend and Mrs. Julius Belzer.

* This afternoon there will be a meeting in the south and north ends of the church. Children will be baptized at both ends.

* Tuesday at 4PM there will be an ice cream social. All ladies giving milk will please come early.

* Wednesday, the Ladies Liturgy Society will meet. Mrs. Jones will sing "Put Me In My Little Bed" accompanied by the pastor.

* Thursday at 5PM there will be a meeting of the Little Mothers Club. All wishing to become Little Mothers, please see the minister in his private study.

* This being Easter Sunday, we will ask Mr. Vassilas to come forward and lay an egg on the altar.

* The service will close with "Little Drops Of Water". One of the ladies will start (quietly) and the rest of the congregation will join in.

* Rev Merriwether spoke briefly, much to the delight of the audience.

* The ladies of the church have cast off clothing of every kind and they may be seen in the church basement Friday.

* A bean supper will be held on Tuesday evening in the church hall. Music will follow.

* At the evening service tonight, the sermon topic will be "What is Hell?". Come early and listen to our choir practice.

* Weight Watchers will meet at 7 PM at the First Presbyterian Church. Please use large double door at the side entrance.

* Remember in prayer the many who are sick of our church and community.

* The eighth-graders will be presenting Shakespeare's Hamlet in the church basement on Friday at 7:00. The congregation is invited to attend this tragedy.

* Ushers will eat latecomers.

* 8 new choir robes are currently needed, due to the addition of several new members and to the deterioration of some older ones.

* Scouts are saving aluminum cans, bottles, and other items to be recycled. Proceeds will be used to cripple children.

* The Lutheran Men's group will meet at 6 PM. Steak, mashed potatoes, green beans, bread and dessert will be served for a nominal feel.

* The Associate Minister unveiled the church's new tithing campaign slogan last Sunday: "I Upped My Pledge--Up Yours."

*Pastor is on vacation. Massages can be given to church secretary.

*Mrs. Johnson will be entering the hospital this week for testes.

*The Senior Choir invites any member of the congregation who enjoys sinning to join the choir.

*This evening at 7pm, there will be a sing in the park across from the church. Bring a blanket and come prepared to sin.

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Posted 13 June 2006 - 10:18 AM

i took communion (out of respect.)
at my grandfather's funeral a few weeks ago. just the host.
there's never been wine involved save for at the alter,
where the priest drinks from the cup. as far as i can remember, we never drank.



ha.
i knew i had it right!

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Posted 15 June 2006 - 07:13 AM

Interesting the difference. In communion practice. I have only been to catholic churches in two neighboring states so maybe the practice of wine is geographical. We always on bended knee took the wafer then if we didn't want the shared wine you placed your right hand across the chest and you were skipped.

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Posted 15 June 2006 - 11:36 AM

sounds really orthodox

here they form a conga-line :rasta:

#51 skullfarmer

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Posted 15 June 2006 - 12:08 PM

some ppl say that the famous burning bush was an acacis sp. that would explain alot.

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 07:56 AM

not really.
first of all
acacia sp. is a TREE
not a bush.
second
do you know where the 'burning bush' was ?
the sinai desert.
not many trees of any kind growing in the deep desert.

this is just another case of
'projection',
someone just wants to believe
as there is no evidence.

here is what it looks like at the traditional site of the burning bush,
now home to st. catarina's monastery [st. Katharine's monastery at the foot of mt. sinai]

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 09:21 AM

Folks walking on water or around it ( which ever one it may be ) burning bushes that talk... living on bread and water ..

Seems like someone was fasting before a long ass trip lOL

i cant believe some people actually take the book word for word


The use of drugs has been around since the begining of human kind.

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 09:24 AM

There are so many inconsistancies in the bible, that I think the only truth to the book, is the truth you choose to believe. There is most likely no one single truth to it.


The bible is a weapon yo



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#55 Hippie3

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 09:38 AM

my bet is that you've never actually studied the bible
and so don't really know much about what
it does or does not say.

#56 skullfarmer

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Posted 20 June 2006 - 02:00 PM

not so fast hip. and how do you know it was a really a bush?were you there?

just remember,theres nothing wrong with being wrong.just dont try to act like you know everything.hehehe

http://www.biblepict...at Sinai pa.htm

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Posted 20 June 2006 - 02:24 PM

i know it was a bush the same way as you got the word-
from the book.
it doesn't say tree.
you can't say it was a tree because you are still citing the book
only you're citing it incorrectly.
the book may be wrong,
but it is the only source for the story.
so it says what it says,
which is bush.
:lol:
btw
your pic of an acacia tree,
which interesting,
is irrelevant in that
the location is unspecified,
the sinai is a big chunk of land
and the tree might be being
irrigated/watered by human hands,
no way to know if it is natural
and growing near the site of the biblical story.

#58 skullfarmer

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Posted 20 June 2006 - 07:43 PM

what do i have to do?climb mt.sinai and bring you a freakin burning acacia bush back?HEY! you could give it away in the next drawing!LOL

http://www.dhushara..../twelve/tw2.htm

"Evidence is beginning to accumulate that this hallucinogen may also have been available to ancient Biblical prophets including Moses, and Bedouins of al-Lat. Peganum harmala is widespread in Biblical areas and is noted on Gebel Musa one principal candidate for Mt. Sinai of Moses (Hobbs 16). A specific desert acacia, Sant, a host tree of the mistletoe-like loranthus, is Moses 'burning bush' and the source of mana (Graves 1948 264), which is the prime oracular tree of Canaan (440). If this contains tryptamines as many species do Moses could have had access to a potion much like ayahuasca"

#59 Hippie3

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Posted 20 June 2006 - 07:54 PM

lol

A specific desert acacia, Sant, a host tree of the mistletoe-like loranthus, is Moses 'burning bush' and the source of mana


i'd like to see him prove that claim
i don't think he can.
say-so ain't enough
:lol:
that site is known to me,
read it some years back,
it is interesting
BUT
not everything written there is factual,
not by a long shot.
just another mc_kenna-esque quack.

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Posted 20 June 2006 - 08:32 PM

Although it seems like it could happen, the idea of god is not something only a drugged up cave man would dream up. I mean if you were just born without knowing what the lights in the sky were, what would you think? If you were thinking at all you might think they were some sort of beings. And knowing that every living thing has a mother and father, a creator so to speak, then you might would also conclude that somewhere along the line their had to be some other creator who created the first mother and father. I wouldn't need drugs to come up with that. And why is it so hard to believe that someone could have a vision without taking a hallucinogen.
People who believe and promote this crap are just trying to discredit religion by saying that it was created by some drugged up wackos but it is funny that these same people want religious people to give credit to the religious experiences and visions that can be had while tripping. Go figure!

I personally do believe that hallucinogens are here to help us learn and grow spiritually and that they should be used for fun and in the context of religious ceremony - but not like church, more like the way they are used by tribal people.




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