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#1 Erkee

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:00 PM

this began in your indoor garden thread, wilde :)

the carpathian walnut here becomes the center of the summer garden
because in winter it seems to provide a decent bird feeding environment with its present shape and size / habit,
for small and medium birds, chickadee, woodpecker, different jays, crows(hopefully too) and some .. newer arrivals :) they are calling from the surrounding trees now!

it started one day while watching a normal
bird feeding session.. a heap of food in one place,
the various territorial activities leading to inefficient feeding.. biggest first, one at the feeder, squabbles, territoriality;
then
in disgust i threw the pile of food into the nearby 'bush'
and observed.. that many different species of bird are present together in a small space without fighting.. each having a secure niche or perch rather than nowhere to hop but the more distant surrounding trees.

the birds are quickly (in six days) ramping pressure for more food!
new arrivals have approached too and at first hold to the concentric depression of the snow path surrounding the feed bush, until a clear branch presents itself.

..
they often enter the feed bush from the highest - a slender young hickory,
then hop lower to the ground, birds shifting
until peace and eating returns
..

a second concentric path in the snow now surrounds the bush to help provide more feed space,
each path forming a kind of bunker which more and more birds hopefully will access for food.

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by dragging a kitchen broom behind me(placed against my back and held taught against the trail, by one arm), dropping food with the other
to smooth the path and provide a good hard surface after an evenings cold snap.

..

next, i think a low fence will be installed separating the concentric paths to improve the 'bushiness', of interwoven cedar boughs probably, in hope of sheltering more feeding birds :)
for plant climbing later


8~14 varied birds at a time

8 foot diameter bush in a 60'x60'-ish clearing

have a cache of cedar seed-clusters taken after a large 'tree dumping' three summers ago


i'll post pictures if you like when i can get a good full shot ..
.. but the crows are watching, waiting their chances,
while warning off the feeding birds
when i approach,
..and the smaller birds stay to chide me for feeding them :lol:

edit2 .. and beyond.

a proper dragged trail maker for snow will be in order..........

.......... wonder what this will do for a future raised/lowered bed garden..

the smaller birds are reticent to leave the safety of the bush,
the larger birds are happier to take larger bundles away.. unless...
..
surplus food to birds and wildlife somehow rewards to the soil :)
..
read not too long ago, a thread in some larger aspiration here, that chicken manure is the main nitrogen source for large scale mushroom production, sprayed on straw.. gotta find that link..
..
aspects of spacing and dilution during spring melt time to avoid the trample of concentrated bird poo
..

Edited by Erkee, 05 January 2013 - 09:10 PM.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 08:38 PM

Love the idea :)

Bird seed for gardens can get messy but they are nutritious for the ground too any weed seeds that come up can be pulled and left in the garden for a green manure it works great ;)
and ya bird poo will be great fert for the garden too the snow melts it enough so it doesnt burn plants leaching it ..

sometimes I let the weeds from the seed come up and let them seed so the birdys can find their own seeds I collect seeds like this for my neighbours cocotoo what ever it is for a treat she just loves picking at the dried plant investigating it trying to find where the seeds are
this bird was calling me pretty pretty today :) I changed her water and new seeds I was her friend today lol I help my friend clean and I was around the bird bending to pick things up and kept hearing her say pretty pretty birdy lol she is funny at times lol
LOL I just got it even the birds are saying we are all the same " pretty pretty Birdy " she thinks I am a bird LMAO see we are all one I am a birdy now lol

Edited by wildedibles, 05 January 2013 - 08:47 PM.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:52 PM

pics tomorrow morning.
but i'll post in evening.

tried to get some right after feeding but the blue jays sense observance and take flight.
i'll bring the cam to the morning feed and linger.
i stayed today very still after their 2:00 feeding and they soon crowded around, woodpecker almost at my nose, purple finch nearly at my feet, boss finch preening his blaze.

new birds today: black top, white underneath including the tail!, vireo sized.
maybe another new, but similar to finch, markings more blurred and seem lighter tan colour.

neighbour up the road was worried - no jays blue nor grey.
now she knows..

various flocks/groups now..
dozen to two dozen birds at a time depending, mostly the smaller birds.
bush is still central to their forage pattern.
cedar 'fence' has begun to take shape at 30' diameter,
clothes line is often taken as the nearest safe jump point for the outermost foragers,
more bushes or possibly more clothes line strung may provide more perchase :special:.

path ruts and plateaus seem useful as micro territories.
outliers forage 6 to 8 feet from the bush.
the pressure of numbers, new arrivals and departures create flux,
neighbouring noises play a larger part in upheavals, tension
a distant chainsaw, a distant car,.. sometimes brings mass abandonment.

no falcons yet.

squirrels daunted.

movement of crows, silent southward
some circle and call.

how far to take this?

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:57 PM

how far to take this?


Why stop?
I have respectfully offered food, water, and environment to all the birds for the last 10 years, and although it began as a way to attract more variety to see and enjoy, it has become a welcome part of my day, and a way I can honor these guests and guides. I now watch and listen to, and understand more than just the songs, and have some that have taken up residence here for years now.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 05:09 AM

Sitting and enjoying a part of nature in the day is always a great way to smile laugh
My kitty giving me attention this morning trying to help me feel better lol but
i think he is wanting me to go find a treat too lol I didnt do it first so he knows something is up lol :)
this kitty is soooo love able

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:35 PM

Erkee
I was hoping I could post about my friends in here I just found out something interesting i hope you do not mind :)

My Cardinal friends are just starting to move my way and stay all winter this is why they are finally here all the bird seed around they can last the whole year up north they do not migrate they stick around making friends with the other brids like chickadee's and nut hatches
anyway it mentions something about the window on a Natural Geographic site

http://animals.natio...birds/cardinal/

"Males can be aggressive when defending their territory, and they frequently attack other males who intrude. This tendency sometimes leads cardinals to fly into glass windows, when they charge an "intruding bird" that is really their own reflection."

and this was said earlier in the article

"Cardinals, also called "redbirds," do not migrate and have traditionally been more common in warmer climes such as the U.S. southeast. However, in recent decades they have expanded their common range north through the United States and even into Canada. This population growth may be due to an increase in winter birdfeeders and to the bird's ability to adapt to parks and suburban human habitats."
with bird feed and less natural stuff
but also the window thing

they are still banging into the window and I seen her 2 times take a beetle out of the wooden window cracks I know beetles hide in here in the fall lay eggs or what ever cram themselves right in there
the bird bangs on the window and gets the loosened non moving beetle
It is mostly the female that bangs and its her i seen with the bugs
he I see him eating the seed now
and I read that they eat sap too so I donated them some that I collected from the spruce and stuck it here and there
:) on the branches of the other trees and with the bird seed :)
I know they are looking for extra fat to survive the colder winter
so I will help these little friends and hope they stick around so they will
be the answer to beetles in the garden :)
keep them at a manageable numbers instead of out of control

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:43 PM

Mix Peanutbutter with WBS, and smear it on trees. Birds seem to like it, hopefully the peanutbutter gives them some fat for winter. If this is bad let me know because I don't want to give them bad diet.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:30 PM

Mix Peanutbutter with WBS, and smear it on trees. Birds seem to like it, hopefully the peanutbutter gives them some fat for winter. If this is bad let me know because I don't want to give them bad diet.


Peanut butter with WBS is perfect food for the birds. I feed suet as well when it is cold for fat.
Are we going to get some pictures Erkee?

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:41 PM

I have giving them peanut butter too :)
and I just gave them some suet
I am spoiling them but that is good
they make me smile too
Ya we wanna see some pictures
I should take some from outside too
my windows are still dirty after cleaning them lol

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:43 PM

tried to upload a bunch of times, keep getting the spinning circle while the 'uploader' loads but never finishes loading :special:
i dumped about 20 blurry/ fogged pics, leaving only a basic pic of the bush, with no birds visible :(
i'd like to get some pics among the birds but.. too busy recently - funeral, court, visits, work
i'll try uploader again now...birdfeeder.JPG
hey it worked..

just have time for a big morning feed
the parade begins at first light
seems more orderly attendance now
each type of bird taking a time slot
nice to see the flocks build,
the quiet feeding,
disruption and mass lift off,
then another group fall in like darts,
and the surrounding trees giggle with birds

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:15 AM

nice spot ;)
its funny my spot looks simular :)
a little tree sending up suckers trying to hold on :)
strong enough to support some birds protecting from any kittys lol
my shrub is smaller
but there is a cedar tree they can jump to
and a big Balsam Fir tree they can hide in :)
Its neat i can see them in the trees from my window
2nd story and really get a look into the upper tree world with them
I do this often with chippy he will look in the window see what we are doing
i leave treats for chippy all the time :)
so do my neighbour friends
some special friends we get to know and can set our watches to them lmao
some get the dogs going for fun it seems ;)
my kitty wanted to play with the birds and ran out of the house
i decided since i just fed the birds it wouldnt be fair to use them as bait for kitty food lol
so i put him in till later and gave him a treat he follows me for ;)

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:40 AM

please post, wilde and anyone,
i'm not possessive about threads,
i'm just glad to add in any small way.
rather a commune than a convent
not a very good host at parties.. :eusa_shif :lol:

i'll find a way to shoot pictures without being there...

Edited by Erkee, 12 January 2013 - 07:50 AM.


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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:51 PM

buddy is building a feeder along the same lines.
the tops of some dead fir or spruce or pine will be the bush.
he has a much better camera for bird shots where mine is not adequate for bird shots .. ..

he has 'shrikes' taking over his feeders so he wants to give the others some cover,
or fill their tummies up faster so they leave sooner.

read somewhere that open range chickens should be rotated weekly through four or five paddocks large enough so the vegetation loss is no greater than 30%(supposing this is the average amount of chicken-useful vegetation in the area) .
and that pasture paddock production on the area increases anectotally!

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:40 PM

he built one and sent a pic.
'hundreds of birds coming'
his camera can't catch birds either

he likes the pile version as it gives 'better cover'

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:43 PM

That's really cool birds or not

Sometimes we cannot catch that perfect picture of something we see kinda meant for our eyes only ;)
How can you take a picture of what we see when we are meditating ;)




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