Posted 05 February 2005 - 12:29 AM
i tried to find the answer to this but i couldn't. ive read what overlay is. but im still a little confused. what exactly should a good casing look like when about to fruit. should the casing be fully colonized on top? if so, then how is this different from overlay. does it have to do with the type of mycelium.
(Message edited by trippinvegan on February 05, 2005)
Posted 05 February 2005 - 09:55 AM
(Message edited by taoistshredder on February 05, 2005)
Posted 05 February 2005 - 10:01 AM
Overlay is when the mycelium fully colonizes the casing layer. It is to be avoided. Usually, overlay is caused by using materials for the casing layer that are better suited as substrate. Material such as coir, worm castings, manure, etc., should NOT be used for the casing layer. These are prone to overlay.
Posted 05 February 2005 - 10:05 AM
Posted 05 February 2005 - 10:37 AM
The purpose of the casing layer is two-fold. It must help to supply moisture to the substrate below to sustain the fruiting. It can't do that if it's fully colonized because there is no casing material left to absorb/release moisture.
The casing layer also provides a humid microenvironment that is conducive to pinning. All those little gaps and holes in the casing layer provide the perfect environment for primordia formation. Once again, if the casing layer is fully colonized, it can't perform this function.
Posted 05 February 2005 - 11:11 AM
do you incubate in darkness until you see little patches all over. then into the fruiting chamber with some light.
and thanks again.
Posted 05 February 2005 - 11:13 AM
foaf gets better yields from casings that don't overlay, because you can continue to add moisture to the casing layer as the mushies grow. Which replenishes the moisture being taken from the casing. When overlay occurs you can't add any more moisture. Pinning is usually better on casings that don't fully colonize the casing layer.
Posted 05 February 2005 - 11:15 AM
I usually incubate until the subsrate layer is at least 95% colonized, then add the casing layer and incubate for one more day. Then place in fruiting conditions. There are so many different ways to do this, but this is what works for me.
What do you do rodger?
(Message edited by reefer37 on February 05, 2005)
Posted 05 February 2005 - 11:41 AM
Posted 05 February 2005 - 01:08 PM
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Posted 05 February 2005 - 01:17 PM
Posted 05 February 2005 - 01:25 PM
so a casing shouldn't be fully colonized?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
the substrate of the casing should be fully, the casing layer should not be.......
Posted 06 February 2005 - 08:59 PM
Posted 07 February 2005 - 05:22 PM
if it is too dry but i still see some mycelium, is it ok to mist?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
should be ok
but try to avoid hitting the mycellia
dribbling/injecting with a syringe is sometimes a good option late in the game.
Posted 07 February 2005 - 05:24 PM
overlay is when the mycellia becomes a thick mat that is resistant to water,
like we see on pf-style cakes.
Posted 13 February 2005 - 11:26 PM
Posted 13 February 2005 - 11:46 PM
"mi casa es su casa" spanish
"a minha casa é a tua casa" portuguese
2nd Substrate is the food the mycelium colonizes and grows
on to make the mushies.
Casing is the top non-food layer used to provide the substrate
the water needed to grow the mushies (they are approx 90% H20)
For any terms: Link:Glossary If you don't understand a term look it up here.
3rd Here are some links that will help you with the substrate, casing and other teks.
Link:Archives Has all of the collected wisdom, and information needed to be successful in this hobby(there is alot of info there, check the archives out yourself, updated often).
Link:Glossary If you don't understand a term look it up here.
Link:Search If you can't find it in the Glossary, use the Search function at the top of every page to search the archives and the rest of the board too.
Link:Illustrated Teks Complete step by step instructions with pictures(best of the best from the archives)
Link:Mycotopia's CD Set Mycotopia's entire database on a 2 cd set(useful information, photographs, TEKS, commentary, questions & answers, Shroomy ScreenSaver, Interactive Grower's Guide by Bookmaker and a Shroomy FAQ)
The following teks are from the front page of the Archives:
Link:BRF TEK: Cakes The original BRF Tek with all the details you need to be successful the first time.
Improving BRF Cake Formula: Super Cakes Getting the
best out of your cakes(not for beginners).
Link:Invitro [MycroTeks] Combines the BRF jar creation tek with a way to pursue this hobby with minimal labor and maximum stealth. Also known as the Invitro/stealth/neglect tek(has several names but the same basic tek)
Link:Sterilization & Pasturization Methods Keeping it clean and growing only what you want.
Link:Dunking Increase the number of flushes and the size of your shrooms(Important if using the invitro tek as a way to get the shroom its needed moisture; the shroom is 90% moisture)
Link:Bleach Dipping/ Salt Tek How to prevent contams and extend the life of your cakes/casings as well as what to do if your casings do get contamed(dipping follows dunking)
Link:Drug Dosage & Dosing: Recipes & Extracts How to enjoy the fruits of your labor safely (don't overdo it, slow and sure is the best way)
Link:Drying/Storage: Picking/Harvesting What to do with the shrooms when you are successful(you don't have to let the excess rot, you can store it for later instead)
Link:Spores, Prints & Syringes How to make your own syringes from prints and how to get prints from shrooms(become totally self sufficient with this information)
Link:Liquid Culture: Karo/Honey/Dextrose Q&A Ways to increase the amount of inoculate available(grow solution) without buying more syringes or prints(can also be combined with Cloning).
Link:Cloning A way to select the shrooms that do the best with your tek/environment/way of growing(combine with Liquid Culture to massively increase your production)
Link:Gloveboxes & Flowhoods How to eliminate your chances of contams while working with syringes/prints/cloning(A cheap cardboard glovebox is better than the cleanest room)
Link:Casings The next step in to bulk production both indoors and out(get familiar with the previous teks and you will increase your odds of success)
Link:Grain to Grain Transfers (G2G) & SuperSpawning Best ways to create the spawn/substrate for your casings(you can do it with cakes but grain is the best)
Link:Agar, Petri dishes, slants [Strain Isolation] For those who want to take this hobby all the way(scientific method required)
Link:Botanicals Other natural ethnogens(intended to expand your horizons)
Link:Secrecy & Stealth ; Privacy & Security Ideas on how to cover your backside as you participate in this hobby(better to learn from the experiences of others than first hand)
Spore/Supply vendor questions
The "price" is less important than the relationship you
establish with them and your comfort in dealing with them.
We have sponsors/vendors in the USA, Canada and Europe.
You have to determine which one(s) work best in your situation.
Link:Sponsors/Vendors Hippie guaranteed good service and products.
All vendors have been checked out and are monitored. If you
have a problem you can't work out with the vendor directly,
just PM Hippie and he will get it straight for you.
Posted 13 February 2005 - 11:47 PM
Posted 13 February 2005 - 11:48 PM