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#1 Fungusaurus

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Posted 15 July 2006 - 03:25 AM

High y'all.

Im tired of growing in plastic tubs, too much work with cleaning and all :puke:
Im thinking of using this tek http://www.mycotopia...es/5/11766.html
No more cleaning boxes i hope ...

got a couple of q's though.

Can pure straw be used in this tek or will it contaminate to easy?

Straw is the only sub I have alot of, but maybe case it with storebought compost?

How much do I have to clean the plastic bags?

THx n' peace out ~~Fungusaur

#2 golly

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Posted 15 July 2006 - 05:45 AM

Yuppers...that should work ,,U may want to chop the straw a little finer so it has good density for easy colonization and spawn liberally so it's quick...
I think i would prefer clear or white plastic for the top cover ..
The perferation in the cover is important and a great way to do that is to fold the plastic 3 or 4 times ,place on a wooden board and stab with a steak knife really fast - U can make like 500 tiny holes in a miniute...

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Posted 15 July 2006 - 08:52 AM

ok thx, nice tip with the plastic, chop chop jack the ripper style LOL

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Posted 15 July 2006 - 12:19 PM

I actually did a synthesis of this and a tub tek by lining a 53qt Sterlite tub with a large trashbag and then going about as though it were a regular tub. I had a couple of acceptable flushes, but I'd recommend possibly reducing the moisture a bit more than is common for the tub tek as the trashbag was difficult to keep moisture from. In retrospect, this could have been caused by the plastic forming a better seal with the lid or by it just generally insulating better. In the past I've not done a casing layer, so I don't know if that would increase success.

You might also consider adding a thin strip of tacky stuff or double-sided tape to the inner edges of the container to hold the bag down a bit better.

Let us know the progress.

#5 Lazlo

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Posted 15 July 2006 - 01:42 PM

That works fine. Watch out for the mega amount of condensation that will build up on the plastic. If the droplets start to drop from the plastic, simply shake them off of the plastic.

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Posted 15 July 2006 - 03:40 PM

Are you seriously going to clean the bags?
:crazy1:
Ive been working on this same kind of project!! (without the H2o2)
Its so cheaply efficent
10 rubbermaids for $5-10 bucks a piece
compared to 10 cardboard boxes you can get for free
and the price of a cheap box of garbage bags,
AND easy clean up.. wow
Hope you have better success that i did on your first attempt
I really suggest getting egg crate material and weighing it down on top of the sub.. my boxes colonize
enough to case in 4 days

I'm a little short up on cow poo, so im gonna start making boxes
out of just straw.. and i dont think there will be problems
From what i hear with straw, usually an overabundents of
water is the lead cause of contams.. so its all about your pasteurization
and draining technique..

Make sure the compost says organic
Im surpised you arent taking the grow log creators
advice and going with a coir based casing..:cry:

Personally, i dont want to mess with casings, for this project, anymore..
just to make it that much simpler, and ive been told people let straw cakes pin just like that
Does anyone have light to shed on the yield size of
bulk straw cased vs bulk straw uncased?
Does anybody know the the difficulties, or simplicities
of the none cased straw

#7 Lazlo

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Posted 15 July 2006 - 03:59 PM

Here's some Orissa's that I grew on my dresser in a baking pan. There's saran wrap gently laid on the tray and it was lifted up a few times a day for air exchange until the mushrooms had tented the plastic wrap. Misted accordingly and that's it.http://mycotopia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14416&d=1135718613

#8 Hippie3

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Posted 13 August 2006 - 12:27 PM

you ever get bacterial lesions where the plastic touches fruitbody ?
i get a nasty black slime fairly frequently

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Posted 13 August 2006 - 12:35 PM

I think you people could grow shrooms
in a sewer system..
geeeez
nice

nice find fungusaurus. that tek looks
inviting

#10 Lazlo

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Posted 13 August 2006 - 12:50 PM

you ever get bacterial lesions where the plastic touches fruitbody ?
i get a nasty black slime fairly frequently


I do. And the plastic tends to make the caps grow out gnarly too if they're touching the plastic for long periods of time. Just a slight sign of bacteria from the plastic touching the caps. Here's an example. I never took the plastic off until harvest. There's blotch on all of the caps and see how they're a bit gnarly as well? hehe

http://mycotopia.net...30&d=1130113589

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Posted 13 August 2006 - 03:44 PM

Hey I made some cardboard boxes with pure straw and they seem to do fine, waitng for pinning on the first couple o' test boxes. Black plastic bags on inside, layers of straw and spawn. I'll throw some pics of the project

But...look what I just got to play with:
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Yummy a big pile of 2years old composted horse dung :p

Just made another cardboard box with about 10 quarts compost and about 3 quarts popcorn spawn, cant wait to see how it will do.

#12 Lazlo

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Posted 13 August 2006 - 04:23 PM

:thumbup: That stuff looks really good.

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Posted 18 August 2006 - 03:50 PM

it seems like its perfect composted, but my first attempt with it went to hell
cuz I was to lazy and didnt do it properly. Didnt drain well enough, didnt have a layer of pure dung on top of the sub/spawn mix, had to much sub/spawn mix in the box = too close to the plastic sheet etc...to green hell it went.
What a waste of popcorn spawn.... :mistrust:
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But heres a couple of my test cardboard boxes with straw and popcorn - they seem work out fine.


just gave the two firstones a casing of verm - not too much of a pinset. Too lazy again, henceforth you may call me fungusaurus the lazy :drk:
When do I ever learn to do that little extra effort to make things better?

Last one here, the straw dried out on top, think I'll get myself together and give it a nice and juicy 60/40 verm/coir/lime casing, or what do you think?
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#14 golly

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Posted 18 August 2006 - 09:18 PM

I wouldn't case that straw as u would be trapping mold spores on uncolonized material ...try some other method to rehydrate...

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Posted 18 August 2006 - 10:54 PM

a pity those aren't in baskets
else you could flood the straw with a hose
like Visions laundry basket tek

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Posted 19 August 2006 - 02:34 AM

i was thinking the same thing hip
if you just wanna do pure straw, visions laundry basket tek is probibly the way i'd go, as it has much more surface area then just the top portion of a box
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#17 Fungusaurus

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Posted 19 August 2006 - 02:45 AM

Thx for your feedback golly and hippie3.

ahh the fractal of mush growing...as soon as one problem is dealt with, numerous new probs to deal with comes to light. :headbang:

I have some thoughts on how to rehydrate that box of straw.

1. Inject water into it with a syringe and let it fruit from the box.

2. Flood/dunk it in the box/plasticbag and then flip it out of the box onto some sort of screen/net, let it drain off and fruit it in a large tub.

3. Spray with bleach solution and give it a verm/coir/lime casing that can be watered.

Any healthy advice on this?

#18 golly

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Posted 19 August 2006 - 06:26 AM

I like plan B ,i mean 2 ...If u flood n drain then you coulf flip it out onto the tubs lid and remove the plastic...Just fruit upside down....

#19 Fungusaurus

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Posted 20 August 2006 - 02:31 PM

Ok thx golly, Ill give it a shot.

Btw a box almost ripe
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#20 Lazlo

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Posted 20 August 2006 - 02:57 PM

:cool: Nice job!




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