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RATS! Your guide to protecting yourself against snitches, informers, informants, agents provocateurs, narcs, finks, and similar vermin


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#1 niemandgeist

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Posted 17 January 2015 - 04:39 PM

I found this online just today. Most of it is common sense, but I felt it would be interesting to peruse:

 

http://rats-nosnitch.com/rats/

 

That is the link to the free web book. It is very, very long so I don't want to post it here. There is some interesting stuff there.

 

However, for convenience, I downloaded the full website/book, compressed it into a ZIP archive, and have attached it below. The file download is less than 300 kilobytes.

 

 

A quick description of the book, from the book, about who this book may be useful to, and for who it will not be:

 

 

This book is for you if ...

You are a non-violent person engaged in any activity that may be controversial, illegal, or merely "sensitive" or unconventional. These days, anything out of the ordinary can make you a target.

Some people who could use this book:

  • Anti-war or environmental activists
  • Recreational drug users
  • Participants in the underground economy or anybody who does business in cash
  • Critics of local or national powers-that-be
  • Anyone whose profession involves "sensitive" information or activities
  • Gun owners or dealers
  • Third-party or "fringe" political activists
  • Hobbyists who work with dangerous materials
  • Photographers/videographers
  • Religious dissidents
  • People with offshore or unconventional investments (including perfectly legitimate ones)

It doesn't matter where you fall in the political spectrum or even if you're apolitical. If police might target you or your activities, you need to understand how snitches could mess up your life.

This book is NOT for you if ...

You aim to commit violence against innocent people. In that case, reporting on you isn't snitching, it's self defense.

 


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Posted 17 January 2015 - 09:33 PM

The words of a friend seem to be most applicable here.

"No confidant can ever betray, all the words you did not say."


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Posted 18 January 2015 - 02:17 PM

I read the book in whole last night and this morning.

 

I highly recommend checking out the following sections, because I thought I knew a bunch, but I learned  more than a new thang or fifteen!:

 

What Happens when you Get Busted? --- http://rats-nosnitch.com/rats/#ch16

 

The Reid Interrogation Technique --- http://rats-nosnitch.com/rats/#ch26

 

They really, really get into what you should/should not do, if you get arrested by LEO and interrogated, etc. VERY useful information with great examples. The breakdown of the Reid interrogation technique is great.

 

Also, found this article detailing an abstract study today about how carefully planned interrogation techniques can get just about anyone to BELIEVE and ADMIT to committing crimes they never have:

 

http://m.pss.sagepub...562862.abstract

 

 

Constructing Rich False Memories of Committing Crime
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Abstract

Memory researchers long have speculated that certain tactics may lead people to recall crimes that never occurred, and thus could potentially lead to false confessions. This is the first study to provide evidence suggesting that full episodic false memories of committing crime can be generated in a controlled experimental setting. With suggestive memory-retrieval techniques, participants were induced to generate criminal and noncriminal emotional false memories, and we compared these false memories with true memories of emotional events. After three interviews, 70% of participants were classified as having false memories of committing a crime (theft, assault, or assault with a weapon) that led to police contact in early adolescence and volunteered a detailed false account. These reported false memories of crime were similar to false memories of noncriminal events and to true memory accounts, having the same kinds of complex descriptive and multisensory components. It appears that in the context of a highly suggestive interview, people can quite readily generate rich false memories of committing crime.

Article Notes
  • Declaration of Conflicting Interests The authors declared that they had no conflicts of interest with respect to their authorship or the publication of this article.

  • Funding We acknowledge the financial support of the University of British Columbia through the Lashley and Mary Haggman Memory Research Award and the financial support of the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada.

  • Supplemental Material Additional supporting information can be found at http://pss.sagepub.c...pplemental-data

  • Received February 5, 2014.
  • Accepted November 14, 2014.
  • © The Author(s) 2015
  1. Published online before print January 14, 2015, doi: 10.1177/0956797614562862 Psychological Science January 14, 2015 0956797614562862

 

 

In short:

 

Know your rights dealing with LEO. NEVER talk to LEO or Government agents. Understand that the Reid interrogation technique is all about psychological mindgames and that you should never, ever try to outsmart LEO or Government agents.

 

Keep your mouth SHUT and understand that LEO and Government agents can, and will, LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE.

 

When I was younger there was an ex of mine, very very unstable, who lied and accused me of crimes.

 

All it took was her word with NO EVIDENCE to get a temporary restraining order on me and practically ruin my life.

 

I was STUPID and even though my folks got me a lawyer I didn't KNOW this shit and a detective scared me into going to talk to him.

 

Stupidly, I signed the Miranda card.

 

Fortunately, nothing ever came of it, but that could have RUINED MY LIFE.

 

NEVER EVER talk to the police.

 

Fortunately, the detective either didn't see a case or I actually outsmarted him.

 

He scared me into talking to him. "Oh, your lawyer said not to talk? Are you hiding something? Let's clear this up." Etc. Etc.

 

"I have evidence here and video..." blah blah blah.

 

"We need to clear this up now before it gets ugly."

 

"I can come and pick you up. Take you out for coffee. Pizza? What food to you like? I'll pay. I just want to help you."

 

LIES!

 

If they had anything they wouldn't NEED to talk to me!

 

I also had a good defense lawyer, hard evidence, witness testimony, etc. during the court date when a judge was supposed to decide whether or not to finalize the restraining order.

 

The woman dropped EVERYTHING so I won. I found out later that she had done the same thing to several exes of hers (All of them were stalkers/evil/etc. like she said I was, but it was all lies). THEY didn't have lawyers so they all lost and had their lives ruined.

 

Here's a great Youtube video lecture from a professional detective/interrogator AND a law professor. Long video but a MUST SEE:

 

[Direct Link]


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Posted 18 January 2015 - 02:30 PM

...and open source to boot...

...good job, niemandgeist!



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Posted 18 January 2015 - 03:49 PM

Here's a great Youtube video lecture from a professional detective/interrogator AND a law professor. Long video but a MUST SEE:

 

Well worth the time to watch AND take notes.



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Posted 01 February 2015 - 02:28 AM

This nicely compliments another handy guide (and they should both be stickied in the R&R forum IMO):

 

https://mycotopia.ne...ndercover-pigs/


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Posted 01 February 2015 - 05:03 PM

good stuff



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Posted 01 February 2015 - 09:42 PM

Excellent video!

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Posted 01 February 2015 - 09:52 PM

Ditto

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Posted 01 September 2015 - 04:36 AM

Ronald Reagan may not have been a very good actor or president (is there a difference?) but he sure knew how to handle himself on the witness stand during interrogations. That man never once plead the 5th. Instead he just kept responding with "I really can't recall. I apologize but I just don't remember. I just honestly can't recall. I would like to be helpful but my memory isn't as good as it used to be." He must have responded that way 100 times or more to questions about the Contras. I like to think of it as the Reagan defence tactic. It accomplishes the same thing as pleading the 5th while not making it look like you are blatantly trying to avoid self incrimination.
I would have some respect for the Florida governor ricky scott (lower case intentional) if he had done that instead of pleading the 5th 75 times during the trial for the biggest medicare corruption scandal in US history. He was either one of the most corrupt CEOs in US history, or if he truly was unaware of the massive amount of fraud occuring on his watch, one of the most inept.
I kinda went off on a rant there. My apologies.

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 01:46 PM

If anyone is concerned about whether there are any snitches lurking in their life, they should ask themselves two questions: "Am I doing anything that is worth that kind of effort to LEOs?" And if the answer to that is "yes," the next question to ask is "Is there anyone new in my life?" If so, that's the person to be concerned about (assuming no one else you know has been recently busted yet went right back to whatever they were doing just a little too quickly...).


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Posted 08 November 2015 - 07:00 PM

there is only one rule(theoretically), don't get caught.


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Posted 21 April 2016 - 08:40 AM

An almost brilliant post. Will definitely have to re read it.

 

 Made me think of that saying.. Loose lips sink ships. If you don't want anyone to know your business. Keep it shut. A secret is no longer a secret if anyone other than yourself knows it  :biggrin:

 

I did in fact go back and re read this over several coffees and a mellow smoke....  Its a bit long winded and possibly a lot of it does not apply to the UK. A good reminder message though, to always use common sense, stay safe and secure what ever you are doing. 


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Posted 20 November 2017 - 03:45 PM

Ronald Reagan may not have been a very good actor or president (is there a difference?) but he sure knew how to handle himself on the witness stand during interrogations. That man never once plead the 5th. Instead he just kept responding with "I really can't recall. I apologize but I just don't remember. I just honestly can't recall. I would like to be helpful but my memory isn't as good as it used to be." He must have responded that way 100 times or more to questions about the Contras. I like to think of it as the Reagan defence tactic. It accomplishes the same thing as pleading the 5th while not making it look like you are blatantly trying to avoid self incrimination.
I would have some respect for the Florida governor ricky scott (lower case intentional) if he had done that instead of pleading the 5th 75 times during the trial for the biggest medicare corruption scandal in US history. He was either one of the most corrupt CEOs in US history, or if he truly was unaware of the massive amount of fraud occuring on his watch, one of the most inept.
I kinda went off on a rant there. My apologies.

Good ol Reagan.  I'm a child of the Reagan era.  Or a product of it depending on your worldview I guess.  I've actually used a lot of what I learned from Reagan in my daily life.  Like the stuff you mentioned just for starters. 

 

Who what me?  I can't recall.  No one can EVER prove what goes on in your head.

 

Reagan was when I started to wise up the way the world works is the bullshitters get ahead and the rest are left behind to clean up the shit.

 

I still can't really wrap my mind around he is still seen as such a hero even by the people the same age as myself.  Letting the crazies out to roam the streets, the human rites attrocities in Central and South America with his school of the Americas.  Having the Iranians hold onto the hostages just a little longer until after the election. And yes ramping up the war on drugs.  Here we are what thirty years later and it is an absolute fucking mess.  The war on drugs has absolutely destroyed the country down to the core on so many levels.


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Posted 20 November 2017 - 03:53 PM

I've got a general rule as far as snitches.  Just keep to yourself.  It never ceases to amaze me the amount of snitches I've encountered in life. 

 

People will snitch for all sorts of reasons.  The ones that snitch for no reason at all have always amazed me.  I met this choad one time.  He was friends with some mutual friends on facebook.  He came to my place when I was cleaning house and got some free shit.  I gave him some free magics too because either I'm a nice guy or a complete fucking idiot.

 

A month or two later he starts going off on my own facebook page blasting me about all sorts of crazy shit which seemed to be centered around his far left political world view.  I just deleted his comments and blocked him.

 

A year or so later he came back with another account and snitched me out in an open forum of a local mushroom facebook page.  I again blocked him but this time I posted on my own page to avoid the guy because he's a fucking snitch and a douchebag.

 

The mutual friend we had then unfriended me.  I was like huh?  Anyways I had had enough of the whole business so I deleted his wife for good measure just to be done with the lot of them.  I had known the wife for several years before all this.  Never one response asking what was going on or anything.

 

I'll tell you what people are getting so mental I don't know what the future of humanity is going to look like.  But the snitches will be the last ones to go down as they seem to be the ones who want to live under the boot of the government and all it promises.


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Posted 20 November 2017 - 04:56 PM

Listen to politicians if you want to learn how to obscure the truth and not answer questions while responding to hours of interrogation.

However since it is perfectly legal for LEO to lie, you will be better served by remaining silent.

The most you should say is, "I want a lawyer", then pay for one, don't rely on a court appointed role filler.


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Posted 20 November 2017 - 07:00 PM

Listen to politicians if you want to learn how to obscure the truth and not answer questions while responding to hours of interrogation.

However since it is perfectly legal for LEO to lie, you will be better served by remaining silent.

The most you should say is, "I want a lawyer", then pay for one, don't rely on a court appointed role filler.

LOL or just be a dick like me and don't answer the fucking door when they show up ten strong on your lawn.  If you have an internet connection its even better.  Look at porn and masturbate while they fuck around and tap on your windows. 

 

Fucking cunt next door decided she wanted to play fight with the neighbors and start a fence war.  When it heated up and I said shit I probably should have just thought instead of said out loud the cops showed up.  But only the next day.  Lazy fuckers.

 

They never came back either.  And she went so nuts I got so many documented things she did she finally shut her pie hole and leaves me alone.  At least for now.

 

I'm amazed anyone talks to the cops.  About anything. 

 

Nice day isn't it officer?  "What's so nice about it?  You on DRUGS!  Officer needs backup and a canine unit."  Then before you know it you are getting a twelve hour anal exam like that guy in Texas.



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Posted 20 November 2017 - 09:28 PM

LOL, Sky, that used to be my signature. I don't care how scared you are, "NO FREE INFORMATION!" It is sad that people say anything. It can be twisted and turned into a nightmare before you even realize it has happened. The only thing that should be said is, "Lawyer please." Nothing else. Those are the only two words you need to know if you are ever arrested, period. Keep in mind, the police can lie to you, manipulate you, and tell you whatever they want to get YOU talking. With a lawyer present, he/she can instruct you on what is or is not ok to say. Even lawyers get lawyers.


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Posted 21 November 2017 - 12:17 AM

LOL, Sky, that used to be my signature. 

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Did I not say those were the words of a friend?

 

Still applicable IMO......................................


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Posted 21 November 2017 - 12:40 AM

Hahaha!OysterFarmer Hahaha!

I can't even say that I'm growing culinary mushrooms without people assuming I grow Psilocybin species.

I got rid of my f buddy recently because of her stupid questions blatantly designed to increase her ability to take me down one day. It's cool though. She let it slip that a staff member of hers snorted lines of coke with her boss at a staff party. She said she'd leave town if anyone told him how they heard about it. She still wanted to be friends just to keep tabs on me. I told her have a nice life.




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