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Government caught lying about surveillance again - the Stingray thread


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#1 Aqua and Red

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 08:48 AM

http://mobile.extrem...court-oversight

Holy F#%^ing S*^£€! (Expletives have been removed in the interests of National Security. Thank you America, go back to sleep now!)
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#2 Spooner

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 06:20 PM

sometimes I not only turn phone off I remove battery


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#3 dead head jed

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 07:00 PM

Ypu must be using a pretty old phone if you can acutally remove the battery.

I wonder if that freedom is also being impeaded on purpose
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Posted 09 April 2015 - 07:25 PM

Wow -

 

Yet another awesome reason I don't have a freakin' cell phone ... fortunately I can be a complete asshole in public without one, but the rest of the country seems to enjoy the convenience of straight-up ignoring you or interrupting a normal interaction in order to stare at their glowing-rectangle of choice, check text messages, the weather, porn ...

 

Granted, watching online porn is definitely a LOT more interesting than interacting with me, but damn ... at least they could pretend for a few minutes?

 

Assume that 100% of what you communicate electronically is tracked and stored, and then you're good to go.  The rest of it is just hoping that no one you know fucks up big-time enough for 'them' to look into who you actually are and what you're doing.

 

I'd bet that 90% of Americans would lose any jury trial - for almost any crime - ANY crime - if their google searches were available to the prosecutor ....

 

Cellular devices?  Crazy.  If they don't give you brain cancer first, they'll be your undoing!  Cast your devices unto the sea!

 

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Soliver has a paper cup attached to a string - that string travels 1.3 miles through a variety of gutters, tree-houses, and phone poles, to reach the transponder-unit, which then uploads his posts to the 'net.  Any idea how long it takes to tap this shit out?  Like, forever?

 

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Posted 10 April 2015 - 07:57 AM

The government is pretty keen to keep this Sting Ray stuff under wraps.

 

I don't even have a smart phone, but from what I've read they can still track you pretty well with older phones using this technology. You've got to figure that if you do have a smart phone that you use with mobile internet it's even easier for them to get way, way too much information from your dailiy usage, though. Very creepy.


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#6 Sidestreet

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Posted 23 October 2016 - 11:58 AM

How Chicago Police Convinced Courts to Let Them Track Cellphones Without a Warrant

 

 

The Chicago Police Department has acquired and used several varieties of advanced cellphone trackers since at least 2005 to target suspects in robberies, murders, kidnappings, and drug investigations. In most instances, officers only lightly described the devices’ advanced technical surveillance capabilities to courts, which allowed the police to use them, often without a warrant.

 

Now, after a lengthy legal battle waged by Freddy Martinez, a Chicago software technician, court orders and case notes were released, painting a more detailed picture of how the second-largest police precinct in the U.S. uses surveillance technology to track cellphones.

https://theintercept...hout-a-warrant/

 

 

A new technology known as the "King Fish" is more accurate than the Stingray and allows LE to pinpoint cellphone locations in more densely-populated areas.  The example they give is a housing project.

 

For now, it looks like these devices are expensive, so it is likely that their extensive use will be limited to more well-funded jurisdictions.  I don't expect that to last.

 

The Intercept has the full article.  The released documents are linked above, too- over 300 pages to sift through. 


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#7 SteampunkScientist

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Posted 23 October 2016 - 06:38 PM

Burn phones and metal boxes.
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#8 Heirloom

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Posted 23 October 2016 - 07:29 PM

No wonder I was sent a new phone, can't take the battery out and I put it in a metal pot with lid and it still received a call.

I'm not worth tracking but like my privacy.

Can a guy buy a device that blocks cell signals in block or so?



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Posted 23 October 2016 - 07:36 PM

You actually have to ground the metal box, or it acts like a low level repeater to the phone inside. If it's grounded, all of the RF energy will travel to the ground on the outside of the box. There can be no holes in the box either (well, there can if the holes are much smaller than the wavelength, which for 2.7 gigahertz (the upper end of 4g) is 15 cm.

Edited by SteampunkScientist, 23 October 2016 - 07:37 PM.

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#10 Zen_

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Posted 23 October 2016 - 07:47 PM

This is probably relevant: http://www.citylab.c...-mapped/502715/

 

Racial Disparities in Police 'Stingray' Surveillance, Mapped

Cops are using secret cellphone trackers nationwide to collect cellphone data—especially in poor, black neighborhoods.

 

 

Stingray data use and civil liberties violations

In Baltimore, Tallahassee, and Milwaukee, this disproportionate Stingray surveillance means that tens of thousands of people in low-income and majority-non-white neighborhoods are far more likely to have their locations and call data seized by police, even if they are not suspected of committing a crime. As GammaGroup, a Stingray manufacturer, explains in a brochure, “operating [a Stingray] within busy or crowded areas will result in many thousands of identities being acquired, most of whom will not be of interest or unwanted collateral.”

 

 

 

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Posted 24 October 2016 - 05:20 AM

 

tens of thousands of people in low-income and majority-non-white neighborhoods are far more likely to have their locations and call data seized by police, even if they are not suspected of committing a crime.

 

This disparity could be the basis of an equal protection (14th Amendment) case against the Stingray. 

 

Of course there are also 4th amendment implications because the gov't is seizing data of people not suspected of a crime ("unreasonable search and seizure").  I didn't realize this was happening with the Stingray.

 

Some places have already seen lawsuits over it.  Hopefully we see many more.

 

 

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#12 Heirloom

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Posted 24 October 2016 - 10:25 AM

I 'm not surprised any longer when the Government is caught lying. Being a liar is the least of the Governments character flaws.

I was taught to believe in America in school and was so naïve that I thought America could do no wrong. I heard my elders expressed different views about the Government but I was so brainwashed by public school that I refused to believe them.

When I became an adult I started to realize how I had been lied to and that all I was taught was a lie. I became sad and angry.
I don't think my Government could do anything that would shock me at this point.



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Posted 24 October 2016 - 08:00 PM

One problem we have, is that we refer to "The Government" as if it were an actual existing thing. Its not. It is a symbolic term we are applying to a group of people who exist in a particular type of structure. This group of individuals are still just human beings, but they have a unique power all their own. It is a presumed power over you and me. That power, is handed to them by us in some unspoken agreement.

We need to rescind that agreement, each one of us. We, ourselves are the only government we need as long as we live within the confines of a single Maxim:

"That we never abrogate the right of the same to any other".

Within those bounds you are free. Unfortunately there are those who want more, want abrogation of others for their own benefit.

Seemingly forever we have heard that "it's the rich" who are to blame, and the finger was always pointed at those who earned those riches, by those who stole them.

It is those in government who are the real enemy. Always has been.

Edited by SteampunkScientist, 24 October 2016 - 08:01 PM.





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