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#21 Zen_

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Posted 10 January 2016 - 02:06 PM

^^ Indeed. Garbage in, Garbage out.


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Posted 10 January 2016 - 08:33 PM

That atmos kiln looks badass


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#23 Zen_

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Posted 14 January 2016 - 10:36 AM

Added some additional commentary to the bottom of the OP.



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Posted 30 April 2016 - 02:06 PM

Thanks Zen, I haven't been over to this part of the forums for quite awhile and look and behold, great write up.

as a regular smoker of concentrates (primary shatter) I don't concider how I smoke as dabbing because the first time I heard the term used was a YouTube video where these teenagers ruining their mothers dinner knives by heating them on the stove top and touching them to some wax and catching the smoke (ok vaper) with a straw, not that anything wrong with that, LOL but a rose by any other name is still a rose I soppose.

I've found not too many people know about smoking from a borosilicate glass straw some head shops have them (the glass from a pyrex Turkey baster will do) to me it's easy plezy and can do about anytime any place.
Below is a picture, you simply heat the tip of the glass till it's good and red and you have 30-40 seconds to touch it to a piece of shatter, wax or what have you, that have on a small dish or in my case, a handy folding razor knife, and your done.

I read some guys say concentrates are rough on their lungs, I had that problem at first (I'm pretty old) i found to just take small hits, it's not a bong for christ sakes so anyway it works for me, just wanted to share that.

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But the reason I'm posting is to ask, when you clamp the straightner iron, and expecially with a strong clamp isn't it prone to break it? and I'm really intrested to press with a 17.5 ton press I'm asuming that's going to take a different method of heating or what?
Someone please enlighten me.

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Posted 30 April 2016 - 02:36 PM

^^ Extreme field Tek

 

Yes. Eventually it'll break. C'est la vie. It's an "easy tek" that just about anyone can do. More industrial methods do exist, re: 25-ton ++.



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Posted 02 May 2016 - 08:25 PM

Propane torch and a bench vise. You won't break that!
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Posted 03 May 2016 - 11:17 AM

Propane torch and a bench vise. You won't break that!


I thought that, I'm thinking my vice has fairly narrow jaws, I think I'll do it the way Zen described and Que Sera Sera but work on the higher psi idea when I can.

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Posted 12 May 2016 - 09:49 PM

I know this thread is lil old but noticed some recent activity and wanted to see if I couldnt get a quick answer here instead of posting a hole new thread in general.

Anywho, I am big into concentrates for multiple reasons other than it saves on cash and just more effecient for me.

My question is, has any of you had experience with an acual rosin press other than a hair straightener/vice grips?

There is a company making presses of all kinds,including other harvesting/processing items but were talking presses!

I am interested in getting a press. It runs around 500-600$. Dual plate/heated. I forgot how much weight it presses but keep in mind this is a somewhat small machine. Standing roughly 4-5 feet tall. Surface area of a small/medium sized night stand/desk etc. So I imagine it does work,I just havnt been able to find too many video reviews on it. Only a couple short ones. The videos im usually finding for this specific vendors press products are the higher end made for mass production pretty much. Mine is able to produce more of course in smaller incruments but im not needing one for processing loads lol..

 

 

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I dont care to make/purchase any type of bho/propane/etc. methods of extractions but every once in a great while ill break down when I dont have any hash or rosin.


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Posted 13 May 2016 - 07:52 AM

My question is, has any of you had experience with an acual rosin press other than a hair straightener/vice grips?

 

 

Yes.

 

The issue you will run into is heat, pressure, and quality. The methods described in this thread is one that nearly anyone can do, on the cheap, and produce great rosin. The difference in the above three things isn't quality, it's quantity.

 

Using greater pressure means less heat and more rosin. All of the machines I have seen on the market today are basically larger renditions of the above "hand" method, and many of them are over-priced and low quality. 500-600$ seems really low, but I suppose that depends on the size and components used. Curious for link?

 

Regardless, if you're going to spend money on something other than the above, I would recommend looking at pressure. 1000lbs isn't going to be much more than the above. 2000lbs is decent and will certainly get you more quantity from the same squeeze. The "commercial" units I've worked with, the best IMHO isn't even out yet, presses at 12.5 ton and houses a 25 ton press. Seems like ~10 ton is the sweet spot. Nothing to my knowledge on the market meets that requirement.

 

I'm a bit bias as I've been involved with some great products, but what is it you're looking for? Buy-in that this 500-600$ machine will get you better than the hand method described? Quality? Quantity? Link it and I'll take a look.



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Posted 13 May 2016 - 08:05 AM

Propane torch and a bench vise. You won't break that!

 

My clumsy ass would find a way.


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Posted 13 May 2016 - 04:15 PM

 

My question is, has any of you had experience with an acual rosin press other than a hair straightener/vice grips?

 

 

Yes.

 

The issue you will run into is heat, pressure, and quality. The methods described in this thread is one that nearly anyone can do, on the cheap, and produce great rosin. The difference in the above three things isn't quality, it's quantity.

 

Using greater pressure means less heat and more rosin. All of the machines I have seen on the market today are basically larger renditions of the above "hand" method, and many of them are over-priced and low quality. 500-600$ seems really low, but I suppose that depends on the size and components used. Curious for link?

 

Regardless, if you're going to spend money on something other than the above, I would recommend looking at pressure. 1000lbs isn't going to be much more than the above. 2000lbs is decent and will certainly get you more quantity from the same squeeze. The "commercial" units I've worked with, the best IMHO isn't even out yet, presses at 12.5 ton and houses a 25 ton press. Seems like ~10 ton is the sweet spot. Nothing to my knowledge on the market meets that requirement.

 

I'm a bit bias as I've been involved with some great products, but what is it you're looking for? Buy-in that this 500-600$ machine will get you better than the hand method described? Quality? Quantity? Link it and I'll take a look.

 

Im more so looking for efficency compared to straightner/vice grips. Iv seen nice results useing this method but preferable Id like to do something a little less time consuming is all.

I have been looking at other machines such as certain types of Tshirt pressses, but iv noticed that most of the Tshirt presses I have looked,some may resemble the rosin press I want but the specifications are a little different,assuming the force wont be as great considering it being a Tshirt press and needing only so much force.

Heres a link to one of the vendors I am considering. I am looking at the 5x5 or 15x15 plate press.

http://www.rosintech...ns/heat-presses



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Posted 14 May 2016 - 03:48 PM

2 5" by 5" 1/4 inch steel plates - 20 bucks at Lowe's.

8 ton hydraulic bottle jack - 30 bucks at Northern tool.

14" by 8" welded steel frame, from your local welder. 80 bucks.

130 bucks and now you have an 8 ton squeezer.

Edited by SteampunkScientist, 14 May 2016 - 03:49 PM.

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Posted 14 May 2016 - 06:37 PM

2 5" by 5" 1/4 inch steel plates - 20 bucks at Lowe's.

8 ton hydraulic bottle jack - 30 bucks at Northern tool.

14" by 8" welded steel frame, from your local welder. 80 bucks.

130 bucks and now you have an 8 ton squeezer.

Closest stores to me are walmart and Homedepote Dx lol

 

/edite - I do supose the internet is a handy tool to use as well..maby just maby I could get some of these offline somewhere.


Edited by PurplePower79, 14 May 2016 - 06:38 PM.


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Posted 19 May 2016 - 05:38 PM

2 5" by 5" 1/4 inch steel plates - 20 bucks at Lowe's.

8 ton hydraulic bottle jack - 30 bucks at Northern tool.

14" by 8" welded steel frame, from your local welder. 80 bucks.

130 bucks and now you have an 8 ton squeezer.

 

Bingo. Not perfect but cheaper than both buying unit or hand squeeze.

 

The only thing you left out is a way to heat the plates to the desired temp. This usually involves a couple cartridge heaters, thermocouples, a PID controller, an SSR, and a way to power it. A little wiring and you're good to go, but add ~$175 to the total above. ;)



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Posted 19 May 2016 - 06:19 PM

Just sell the pressed out stuff to your local head as "shit weed" :)

Your presser is paid for...

Edited by SteampunkScientist, 19 May 2016 - 06:33 PM.


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Posted 26 November 2016 - 08:35 AM

Saw @hashman on this thread and it reminded me that I tried this. It does work. It takes a couple of tries to dial it in but I was able to pull rosin from fresh buds. My only addition is I would let fresh material dry for a couple days at ambient RH to make the pulls a little easier. It does leave all the nice terpenes and flavors in the rosin.


Edited by catattack, 26 November 2016 - 08:35 AM.

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