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#21 Ovoideocystidiata

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Posted 12 December 2015 - 04:14 PM

i have read that we only use 10% of our brains and i can not prove that is true.  however if that is true, it seems that there is exceptionally more to our existence than we can perceive, possibly.



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Posted 12 December 2015 - 04:19 PM

maybe our minds are enslaved by something or somewhat. There are notes in history about a foreign entity, like a mold (eg cordyceps) or parasite. ok these are manifestations of an intention come into existence but if the prey on what the mold is thriving doesn't know about the mold or parasite, shall we know (or the majority of us?) if something is "eating" us?

 

Thats an interesting question- one raised of late...and actually does hold some water.  If so, it might be this:

https://mycotopia.ne.../?hl=mycotoxins



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Posted 12 December 2015 - 04:33 PM

It is a wonder to me that so many of us seem so much to identify with what we presume to be our brain.  Of course, this is but a learned habit of our conditioned identity.  Do we possess a mind, or does a mind possess us?  Research is showing that the brain takes many neurological and hormonal orders from neurons in the heart, but at the bodily level, even this is secondary to consciousness.  Pull out the consciousness, and you pull the plug.  The consciousness sees, but we are quick to identify with that which consciousness perceives.  Is 10% of our brain using us? 

 

Am I some thinking process?  That notion would be to accept a considerable limitation, yes?  Chains that never existed will not need breaking, once their non-existence is seen.


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Posted 13 December 2015 - 02:10 PM

most of the time when people commit suicide with a gun they aim for the heart or the brain.  i do think it is true that the brain controls the body.  the brain is protected by one if not many of the strongest bones is the body which seems to me that it is important.  you can get a heart transplant but good luck on getting a brain transplant.  the brain and spine are very important.  

 

i am not sure we decided how much of our brain we use but hopefully one of these days we learn to function at our maximum capacity.


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Posted 14 December 2015 - 03:16 AM

I was thinking about the Are We Slaves video, and mostly ended up thinking the title, the subject is just a type of intellectual abstraction, distraction... I'm not sure with almost 8 billion of us on the planet that people are in a position to complain. It seems tricky to me to reconcile how that makes sense, why there needs to be so many of us, but it does make me feel weird that the fact that we survive so well, thrive so well, just isn't good enough - that we still need to look around us to find the bogeyman, insist on feeling scared and insecure and victimized and try figure out 'a better way'.

 

I wonder what that is all about; greed? some kind of personal agenda? self-preservation? Or maybe it's driven by guilt. As long as we can claim to being some kind of victim we get a free pass. What we get a pass for is being responsible for any negative consequence of our actions. And what on gods green earth could we possibly be responsible for - surely there is no such thing. I beg to differ. The amount of shit we are responsible for, each and every single one of us, is monumental, it is soul destroying, it is crushing. It's so big and so ugly of course we need to find something else to take the blame ~ it's way too big for us to handle (we are just the 'slaves' after all).

 

I don't know, this is something I thought 'shrooms opened my eyes to. This is something I thought other people that took 'shrooms could also see. I still think that, it's why I think it's worth still being interested in this hobby. Up to the point that I took 'shrooms ignorance was bliss, I didn't have to change anything about how I lived because nothing was my fault. I was wrong. Even the smallest thing I did, the stuff that I took for granted came at a big price, to the earth, to the rest of life on it. 'Shrooms opened my eyes wide enough that I couldn't pretend anymore like the bogeyman wasn't me.

 

I watch that video in the beginning of this thread and I don't feel any concern at all for what is being said is the poor sad lot that is our fate. But there are clips of animals being tortured in there that are meant to illustrate the point in parallel. It's completely fitting but not as a metaphor, it's completely fitting in light of the above. Does it really make sense to spend any energy on thinking about how crap a hand it is that we got dealt and how to change that while just about every other thing around us is being exploited and abused, the water, the soil, the earth, the sky, the plants, the animals?


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Posted 14 December 2015 - 09:08 AM

If it took getting a crappy hand to wake just one of us up, then who could bitch at such perfection? 


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Posted 14 December 2015 - 09:33 AM

I would think that we would experience more bliss, if we were enslaved. I know that I would perform better if certain criteria were met.

 

 

 

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Posted 16 December 2015 - 09:37 PM

The debtor is slave to the lender.

Think you own your property? Try not paying your taxes, or even in some cases try disconnecting from the power grid!

But true freedom, is freedom of the mind. That must come first.

Do, or do not. There is no try. Trying is slavery.
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Posted 17 December 2015 - 06:44 AM

The problem with the video by Larken Rose "The Jone's Plantation" is that what it actually describes is nothing like the Representative Republic of the United States - but for those whom do not have the capactiy to think critically, it has that "Feel Good" aspect.

 

However, a breif look at the history of Communist Russia and it's formation follows it exactly - they went from the monarchy of the Czars to the absolute domination of communism under Lennin/Stalin.  It was Lennin (Mr. Smith) who preached "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" and mouthed perhaps the vilest, most henious and evil saying that has ever passed human lips:

 

"From each according to thier ability, to each according to their need."  <-- That is the face of slavery.  Because who decides what your "contribution" should be? And who decides how much you "need"?  The aristocracy of course. (as an aside, if I could find and resurrect the person who coined this phrase, I would slap them...with a shovel).

 

The United States, for all of its flaws (and they are many) nevertheless is indeed and in truth, the freest nation. Nobody is getting whipped to death by criticising our nation, as the existence of the video itself demonstrates.  What some call slavery is "Hey I dont get free health care - I must be a slave" - I'm sorry, but if a person "gets" something, then it must come from somewhere, and if you cannot find "free healthcare" sitting on the ground, then it must have been provided by the work and toil of someone.  Now, if that someone was forced under "law", then they are the slaves. Another example might be "Hey, I should get 15 dollars an hour flipping hamburgers!" Not if it is not worth 15 dollars an hour because nobody is going to pay 15 dollars for a hamburger... "But the big fast food company has lots of money, they can afford to pay me 15 dollars an hour!" Not if it is not worth 15 dollars an hour and they can take the same money they were paying you and buy a robot that can do your job...  The problem is there are jobs worth 15 or 150 or 1500 dollars an hour, if you want that much, work you way up to that level and don't let anything stand in your path.  Others have done, why not you?  That of course is not possible in an actual slave state like Soviet Russia where you were assigned your lifetime job weather you were competent or not, and where your complaints landed you in Siberia or a mass grave.

 

The fact is I can quit my job anytime I want, and the only outcome is, if I run out of money, I loose my house.  But it is my choice and therefore I am free to make that choice if I want to.  But if I want to keep my house then I must work to pay for it.

 

Noe granted, I am in a way slave to the tax system that will take my house from me if I refuse to pay those taxes despite the fact that I paid for it.  AAnd I agree that is a sign of "creeping" enslavement, but as I mentioned, the US is not perfect.

 

But it is a hell of a lot closer than any other country on the planet - at least it was, and its original philosphical underpinnings certainly are.

 

So these purveyers of this video bilge are building a typical straw man attack on the USA - it's been done before.  And what is their proposed "Solution" - no doubt some form of Socialism, which is the exact sort of thing that does the very evil they claim to be "fighting".  They are counting on emotional responses and not reasoned thinking - which unfortunatly our current school system will provide many sheeple that will agree with.

 

Of course throwing in the bit about "Nobody noticed Samual had died" gives that last little bit of pull on the heartstrings. Please! gag me with a pitchfork.

 

Well that is my opinion, based on a lot of living and observing and reasoning. Flame on.  :)


Edited by SteampunkScientist, 17 December 2015 - 06:50 AM.

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Posted 17 December 2015 - 05:26 PM

i have read that we only use 10% of our brains and i can not prove that is true.  however if that is true, it seems that there is exceptionally more to our existence than we can perceive, possibly.

That is a myth.

Nature is 100% efficient.

Everything It doesn't use, It gets rid of.

 

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But that doesn't mean you're wrong about the second part : there IS exceptionally more to our existence than we can perceive.

Ever tried magic mushrooms ? ;)

"Seriously", with our senses, we can perceive maybe what, 0.00001% of all the vibrations of the Universe ?

Some light, some sound, some states of matter...

What we perceive and understand with the mind is maybe a tiny tiny part from the top of the iceberg.


Edited by SillyCone, 17 December 2015 - 05:34 PM.

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Posted 17 December 2015 - 05:35 PM

Amazing thread, BTW, props to riseabovethought (well chosen nickname :D )


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Posted 22 December 2015 - 11:51 PM

Of course we are all slaves :P


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Posted 22 December 2015 - 11:53 PM

i have read that we only use 10% of our brains and i can not prove that is true.  however if that is true, it seems that there is exceptionally more to our existence than we can perceive, possibly.

 

I think We use 100% of our brains... MOST of us only use 10% of our brains AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT...


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Posted 26 December 2015 - 12:16 PM

Haiti once produced half the world's coffee, and half the world's sugar- thanks to the hard working slaves there, and that made it attractive economically to 3 nations with serious armies.  Between 1791 and 1804 Haiti took on 3 world powers - England, France, & Spain.  100, 000 Haitian slaves were killed, but they actually kicked the asses of 3 world powers simultaneously, and successfully freed themselves from slavery.   -->Pretty inspiring, to say the least.  http://www.csmonitor...15s01-bogn.html


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Posted 26 December 2015 - 03:24 PM

...and that's why they've been officially fucked ever since.

 

It was an unwanted precedent.

 

The motivation is of the same type that keeps Leonard Peltier in Leavenworth.


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Posted 26 December 2015 - 10:25 PM

ll19z8rn4li1, i think you are wrong.  i presume science might me right and you might be wrong. 

 

maybe one of these days though.....



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Posted 27 December 2015 - 07:22 AM

Of course we are all slaves :P

again, if one were enslaved, would one know it? 



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Posted 27 December 2015 - 12:50 PM

 

Of course we are all slaves :P

again, if one were enslaved, would one know it? 

 

 

Plato's "Allegory of the Cave" anyone?

or the modern-day interpretation in the form of "The Matrix"

Would one recognize one's own micro-environment? Like a montotub, for example.

Boon or Bane?

 

SillyCone's post really got my gears turning. The video is well-worth a watch and provokes some serious thought.


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Posted 27 December 2015 - 12:52 PM

one second thought there is a possibility we are slaves if a slave is a person who is strongly influenced and controlled by something.

 

maybe we are slaves to ourselves?  maybe we are slaves to something higher than the imaginations capable of thinking? 



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Posted 28 December 2015 - 03:24 PM

Amazing thread, BTW, props to riseabovethought (well chosen nickname :D )

 

I wanted to remind myself over and over to move beyond the limitations of mind, to stay in the now, to honor the present moment for its supreme relevance, and that there is something else- another realm above where most people remain, where there are endless boundless possibilities, and a playground for us explorers.  Our freedom is definitely within.  And under threat.


Edited by riseabovethought, 28 December 2015 - 03:25 PM.

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